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Borderlands 2 review

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Whindog 18th September 2012, 07:13 Quote
Obligatory FIRST!!!!

More of the same.......if you enjoyed BL1 I guess youd like this, but i think ill pass.

Nice review joe.
Whindog 18th September 2012, 07:14 Quote
PS- Not sure how you gave it 85% >.> <.<
veato 18th September 2012, 07:21 Quote
As I was reading this I kept thinking I might have made a mistake with the pre-order. The review read so negative for me I was kind of dreading seeing the score.

85%

Oh. Er, wasn't expecting that.
Kodongo 18th September 2012, 07:45 Quote
Can someone explain to me the significance of the Borderlands 2 4-Pack because I don't understand why it's priced at £100? Is it the same game told through four different perspectives, four intertwined games, four separate games or what?

Also, the review reads nothing like one would expect of an 85% score.
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First it's important to lay the groundwork for what Borderlands 2 actually is, which is mainly done by remarking how similar it is to the first game on all the broad levels.
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Borderlands 2 manipulates you into thinking the game is more meaningful than it is
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Money and the appearance of it within the game then are just part of the stylistic veneer to cover this vapidity
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The story and the wit with which the world has been assembled is the real draw here though. It's pithy, it's self-knowing, it's riddled with more pop-culture references than an entire season of Buffy The Vampire Slayer. It's what makes the otherwise transparently meaningless gameplay feel worth playing, with friends or alone.

The feeling I got from the article was that the gameplay was one-dimensional and didn't really add much over its predecessor. I was expecting 60%-65%. After having read the article, I kept thinking about another article by Bit-Tech, "When did 8/10 become a bad score?". Having observed how certain sites hyperinflate their scores, is this game really worthy of one which indicates that it's verging on excellence?
Kiytan 18th September 2012, 08:03 Quote
the 4 pack is just 4 copies of the game, so you can buy it and split it between 4 people and it works out slightly cheaper.
Kodongo 18th September 2012, 08:26 Quote
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the 4 pack is just 4 copies of the game, so you can buy it and split it between 4 people and it works out slightly cheaper.



Thanks. For some reason, I imagined all these complex reasons for a 4 pack when it's simply a money saving technique.
Blarte 18th September 2012, 09:15 Quote
Games are a means of escape and enjoyment
It looks colourful, and if its like BL1 it contains oodles of raw humour. What more should be asked for in a game like Borderlands? Turn it on play it for an hour, turn it off.
Its not pretending to be dark mysterious and arty, with clear objectives (save the princess, own a castle, destroy a tank) .. its a cartoon style game, its silly, its fun. It ought to be given merit for what it is, not what it isnt
Jezcentral 18th September 2012, 09:47 Quote
I don't see the problem with the score. The game is shallow but fun. The same could be said of Diablo 3, COD X and Pong. None of this it's mutually exclusive to an 85% score. Many other places seem to agree with this score. Looks like I'll be picking this up on Steam at Xmas, as XCOM is fast approaching.
Jezcentral 18th September 2012, 09:48 Quote
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Originally Posted by Jezcentral
I don't see the problem with the score. The game is shallow but fun. The same could be said of Diablo 3, COD X and Pong. None of this is mutually exclusive to an 85% score. Many other places seem to agree with this score. Looks like I'll be picking this up on Steam at Xmas, as XCOM is fast approaching.
Jezcentral 18th September 2012, 09:49 Quote
Aaargh! Sorry!
SexyHyde 18th September 2012, 10:16 Quote
Well should have got this on preorder. But i'll get it at Xmas or before if my regular gaming buddies get it. Need more free time. Ruddy work and kids always seem to prevent mindless computer enjoyment. Thoroughly enjoyed the first ones humour and this seems to have just dialled up the humour more so they made the best thing better.
AlexB 18th September 2012, 10:34 Quote
Can't wait for Friday - Pre-ordered.
badgerz 18th September 2012, 10:41 Quote
A review of no positives given 85%. OK THEN. So I take it the game is good? or possibly bad?
scott_chegg 18th September 2012, 10:52 Quote
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Originally Posted by veato
As I was reading this I kept thinking I might have made a mistake with the pre-order. The review read so negative for me I was kind of dreading seeing the score.

85%

Oh. Er, wasn't expecting that.

85% because like the first game it'll be loads of fun despite the shallow nature of the game. Lets face it. Mindless violence is probably the main reason most of us got into gaming.
CardJoe 18th September 2012, 10:53 Quote
Well, firstly the score/review takes for granted the fact that the gunplay is good and that I don't need to stress over every point: The machine guns feel nice, the shotguns feel nice, the grenade mods are fun....

As for the score, I felt it was reflective of the quality...but, come on. Scores are nonsense, Bit-tech. You're smart people, you know this. You can't objectively review a subjective product that accurately. The number is an at-a-glance number for the people that want to use that or mainly that.

If you're smart enough to read the review, you should be able to use that and form your own opinions. If you've read what I've put and you say "God, that game sounds rubbish", that'll be the opinion you have. If you disagree and say "Man, it sounds like he's totally missing the point of the game" then you know this is the review that'll be an indicative of your reactions.

Scores are nonsense. I know they're nonsense, you know they're nonsense - but they can be a useful nonsense for some readers and they're a politically useful nonsense elsewhere in the industry. I'm not going to spend ages worrying about getting the score right; I'd rather focus on getting my understanding of games and my level of writing up.

Time spent defining a difference between 82 per cent and 83 per cent is time wasted. The furthest I go down that argument is to say that I use the entire 1-100 score (including 100 per cent) and to say that 50 per cent is considered an average (or 'only functional') game.

/rant
Adnoctum 18th September 2012, 11:15 Quote
First of all - pre-ordered and I can't wait for it to arrive.
Second, Borderlands may be flawed, but it has always been a fun ride and worth the journey. In a world which is filled with serious yet shallow crap which is then foisted on us, why can't we have a game which is simple, witty and fun?
Third, the review was fine, I don't have an issue with it.
Also: Vapid?
  1. Lacking liveliness, animation, or interest; dull.
  2. Lacking taste, zest, or flavour.
I'm not certain that Borderlands could be described as vapid. Shallow...arguably. Vapid, I don't think so.

The money. Why over analyse it? Why couldn't Pandora have a failing economy that is suffering hyper-inflation and they've had to adopt the far more stable Zimbabwean dollar? That is why there is so much lying around. That is why it buys so little.
LennyRhys 18th September 2012, 11:23 Quote
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Also: Vapid. (Adj) 1) Lacking liveliness, animation, or interest; dull. 2) Lacking taste, zest, or flavour. I'm not certain that Borderlands could be described as vapid. Shallow...arguably. Vapid, no.

Vapid also means tedious, and this is a perfect word to describe Borderlans and not in the least bit pejorative - as Joe said in the review, every minute of gameplay is essentially the same thing over and over and over and over (ad infinitum) but it's very cleverly masked with eye candy, humour, and guns... lots of guns. ;)
Blademrk 18th September 2012, 11:25 Quote
Loved the first game (so much so that I'm still playing it on the 360, PC and PS3).

The review sounded fine to me. Might not be a Day 1 purchase (especially with Christmas only a few months away - need to start saving) but it's definitely at the top of my list of games to pick up.
Phalanx 18th September 2012, 11:44 Quote
Quick, add me on Steam! I need people to blow the living hell out of Pandora with this weekend!
guvnar 18th September 2012, 13:51 Quote
Loved the first - getting the second. OK?
[PUNK] crompers 18th September 2012, 14:28 Quote
Found the first reasonably enjoyable, won't be rushing to buy this at full price but will probably pick up at some point
LennyRhys 18th September 2012, 14:35 Quote
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Loved the first game (so much so that I'm still playing it on the 360, PC and PS3).

Ditto. I just started a new game and am going Brick for the first time ever. I started a thread some time ago - most "replayable" SP game - and I still think Borderlands is the best in that category.
[-Stash-] 18th September 2012, 14:42 Quote
From the CS:GO article "Contrary to rumour, Joe doesn't hate all multiplayer shooters. Here's the proof."

I dunno, given he seems to hate *most* multiplayer shooters, why does he have to keep reviewing them? Someone give the guy a break and give the job to someone who enjoys multiplayer shooters.

I feel seriously depressed after reading this review…
Blademrk 18th September 2012, 14:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by Phalanx
Quick, add me on Steam! I need people to blow the living hell out of Pandora with this weekend!

Will do, I haven't even touched co-op in it yet.
Bauul 18th September 2012, 16:45 Quote
Borderlands (and the sequel) are essentially first person Diablo type games. Click-click-click-click until you win.

As a mindless (and apparently quite lengthy) time sink, that sounds right up my ally.

I took from the review that whilst Joe agrees the game is functionally very good, he didn't find it very exciting. And given he has reached a zen-like plinth of game-understanding, these days I suspect nothing apart from a genre-blowing revolutionizing title that wins the Man Booker Prize, it's developers the Noble Prize for Literature and renders all other forms of story telling obsolete, will.
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