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Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Review

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Picarro 12th November 2011, 09:26 Quote
Well there are some glitches I can see. The general level of detail is not bad but once or twice landscape has simply "popped" into view.
Bindibadgi 12th November 2011, 09:35 Quote
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Originally Posted by Skiddywinks
This. This all over.

Game of the year edition it is then. I've still got Rage + Steam sale stuff to get through, and by the time that's done ME3 will be out!
XXAOSICXX 12th November 2011, 11:13 Quote
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Originally Posted by barrkel
Having played it for about 4 hours: the control / menu / HUD system is a bit of a disaster.

The Map is almost unusable. A straight-up JPG would be more usable; as it is, merely scrolling around will cause you to zoom out as the camera "hits" mountains; and the more you zoom out, the clouds obscure your view! Since I have the Steam version, I don't get recourse to a physical map.

Worse: you can't rebind all the keys consistently. The Map and Favourites menu keep using WASD, even when you're not using WASD for movement. This makes the Favourites feature unusable; and since you can't bind weapons, spells etc to numbers, it is an infinite pain to switch.

It's pretty clear that the HUD was designed for the console and hacked to work for the PC; it has two inconsistent "item selection" highlight mechanisms. One is based around using the movement keys to select an item, and causes the selected item to be rendered in larger text and a bigger margin-space; but since PCs have mice, there is a second one based around mouse hover and clicking, and it's rendered by drawing the menu item in white. So depending on what order of operations you used to select a menu, it looks like there are two different selected items - the white-text mouse one takes precedence.

Trying to scroll the graphical display settings menu (the one with all the sliders for view distances) is a similar disaster; the mouse wheel is used for both scrolling the list of sliders up and down, and, if you reach the end of the list and the mouse cursor is over a slider, the mouse wheel now controls that slider itself! The net result is that if you simply casually scroll through the display settings, you end up randomly changing various sliders!

And graphics bugs: there's an horrific decal texture problem with the game on my 5870: as I move around interior rooms that have moss or other decals on the walls, they randomly shimmer in and out of existence and different levels of detail. At one moment, the room is bare; move the mouse view a fraction, and there's moss everywhere.

If you can ignore the decal texture problem (or it doesn't occur on your hardware), and don't have to change weapons / spells too often, you can get an experience reasonably similar to Oblivion, however. It's not all bad, not by any means. Just annoying enough to break immersion, and cause me (for one) to not want to play it for a few days.

Yup. Exactly.

The menus are hideously console ported and I find them very difficult to use in a consistent fashion. It was pretty clear from the review that using WSAD for menus was going to be awful....and it is. My mouse cost me more than an XBox360 costs these days....I'd like to be able to use it please.

Another major annoyance with the menus (and this goes for most console ported in-game menus) is having the System Settings along side things like the Map etc. Mass Effect 1/2 were terrible for this. It totally breaks the immersion for me.

The graphics are very, very dated. Take a look at the screenshots someone posted in a previous comment....I can't believe some of you guys are looking at those and thinking "ooh pretty"...look at the walls and shadows in that second screenshot! Awful.

Perhaps I've just been spoiled with the graphics of Battlefield 3 O_o

The "combat" is as clunky as ever...something I really hoped they'd change...however, same old Gamebryo, same old wooden characters, same old disconnected feeling when swinging a sword.

I'm sure with more play-time I'll grow to love the story, the exploration etc..but right now I've just rage quit (hence this rant) because the game is f**king me off so much.

And...calm.

-_-
Kilmoor 12th November 2011, 11:23 Quote
Heads up for NV Surround/Eyefinity useres- We are experiencing major fail from Skyrim, and Bethesda's response was to sod off... read the saga here
mejobloggs 12th November 2011, 12:14 Quote
Oh... I was mainly interested in this because I thought it would have a much improved engine. Sound like it doesn't :(
Aragon Speed 12th November 2011, 12:24 Quote
The only issue I seem to be having (apart from the slightly awkward menu system on the PC), is the fact that I don't seem to be able to drop anything. I either have to wander around at a snails pace if I overload myself by accident, or I have to "search" a dead body and shift stuff back into its inventory.

Yeah I know you press R to drop things, but for me it doesn't seem to be working. I have remapped my KB layout as I hate WASD configurations, this makes using the menu system a bit awkward and not quite as intuitive as it would be if I was still using the WASD layout as the game doesn't update the keys in the menus to match your setup for movement, but everything seems to work fine except not being able to drop stuff.
Hovis 12th November 2011, 12:39 Quote
It's impossible not to view the interface and combat systems as a huge step up from the last version of this game system, which would be Fallout New Vegas. For a start the interface has keyboard shortcuts; I press 'i' and I get the inventory. Obvious, but lacking from Oblivion and the recent Fallouts. Yes, the favourites can take a bit of getting used to, but it's a much more versatile system than the 1-8 shortcuts, especially coupled to the dual wield mechanic. Combat is vastly improved, and the idea that it shares failings with the earlier games is laughable. Play Oblivion or Fallout New Vegas, then play Skyrim, and try to tell me that it's not vastly better in Skyrim. Perfect? No, not quite there yet, but it's brought the combat up to par with rivals and left the old legacy of wobbly people and disconnecting weapon waving behind.

Moving past the corrections of those old flaws, and seriously do fire up Oblivion again if you honestly think that Skyrim has a bad interface, the actual game itself is magnificent. And I don't use that work often or easily, because it sounds silly, but it is what it is. It actually makes me stop to look at things, sunsets, bubbling hot springs, caverns, even creatures.

According to the Steam counter I've only played a paltry 14 hours of Skyrim so far, but so far it is shaping up to be a real contender for being the best game I've ever played. It feels like the developers have taken Oblivion and really hammered away at the obvious weaknesses, while raising the bar to new heights in the games strong areas.

The idea also that this is just some half arsed console port and thus bad is simply ignorant. Bethesda have made this game for the consoles, sure, even Shakespeare had to get paid, but the fact that they have still, even in this day and age, fully embraced the capacity of the game community to mod the game makes this a PC game. While today the PC version are the console version have parity, in a few months to a year the PC version will be different, because anybody who mods games will have their own personal Skyrim build. These guys want the game to be played on PC and they want PC players and modders to have fun with it, and it's that sort of loyalty to the PC market that I admire.

Bioware? Didn't even release Mass Effect on the PC for over a year, then completely shut out modders from all their games. Rockstar? Often don't release PC versions at all and again deliberately take steps to prevent modification of games. EA and Valve? Don't mind us we're just data-mining, oops our forum got hacked now everyone has your credit card number. When it comes to developers I think Bethesda deserve a lot of credit for not actively trying to shaft PC gamers or drive them onto the consoles. The definitive version of their game is the PC one and they embrace that, rather than trying to level the playing field by clipping the wings of the superior platform.
Panos 12th November 2011, 13:15 Quote
Having clocked 9h overnight (just after I came back from work hehe), the controls at the start were bit meh on PC. But getting used to them.

Going now to the next session, the batteries are charged, so the 360 PC controller will work.

As for graqphics. On overclocked GTX570, and AMD T1090 @ 4.2 Ghz, I haven't see any issue. On the contrary I edited the config files and raised the details of shadows, water, trees etc to pretty high to levels never dare in any other game. And still awesome speeds at 16AF, 8AA, all on the max and 100 FOV.

Sound is awesome on the G35 also :D Proper true directional 5.1 sound. Which isn't very often the case.


Seems Bethesda raised the
graphics quality
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graphics power needed

ratio quite high.
triprunner 12th November 2011, 15:20 Quote
i dont understand the 95% for a game made on a barely rehashed old Fallout engine (and lame PC port version) which this very site criticised New Vegas for.
they've just slapped some DX10 effects and lighting on top of that old clunker and call it revolutionary and eye-candy...

it does look good on the consoles, i dont argue that, but on PC it looks very meh.

some people were annoyed that it scored similar in reviews to MW3 - well, it uses the same business model - rehashing the old engine for pennies and selling it at full price, money saved on development was spent on creating the "secong coming" hype and PR...

game is average and definitely not GoTY for me, that place is still occupied by The Witcher 2...
thehippoz 12th November 2011, 15:33 Quote
on a 6970 here.. not too far but around level 6.. didn't get to play much yesterday

the game is a lot of fun and there is a lot to do.. there's little stone puzzles in a couple areas I've explored already.. they are much easier than tomb raider puzzles, and not even quite witcher 2.. so given the average consolebater- it should be just enough to roid rage those guys off their console and smear the cheetos all over their crotches

some more pictures.. the graphics aren't bad on a decent system- there's no armor degradation like in oblivion but then again- the crafting and ways to improve armor are better.. I like the in game menus myself

the game hasn't crashed either like early reports.. not once and I'm running a really old driver

only problem is.. there's so much content- just reading a book for example can blow away a lot of time.. clocked a lot of hours into oblivion I remember too just exploring.. might be playing this for months at this rate

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Stewb 12th November 2011, 17:07 Quote
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Originally Posted by triprunner
some people were annoyed that it scored similar in reviews to MW3 - well, it uses the same business model - rehashing the old engine for pennies and selling it at full price, money saved on development was spent on creating the "secong coming" hype and PR...

:|

You seem to be forgetting that game content is an important aspect...
shuffle 12th November 2011, 17:48 Quote
only played 2 hours in.. not even ventured into outside world yet. The graphics are ugly. But you get used to it. I played Fallout 3 for hours on end. They need to sort out the User Interface.. its shambolic on the PC. Its true when people say its like an XBOX game. The game has sold amazingly well on Steam. someone at Bethesda needs the boot.. because the PC deserves more attention now
XXAOSICXX 12th November 2011, 17:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by shuffle
only played 2 hours in.. not even ventured into outside world yet. The graphics are ugly. But you get used to it. I played Fallout 3 for hours on end. They need to sort out the User Interface.. its shambolic on the PC. Its true when people say its like an XBOX game. The game has sold amazingly well on Steam. someone at Bethesda needs the boot.. because the PC deserves more attention now

Damn straight.
jimmyjj 12th November 2011, 22:08 Quote
I am sure it a great game but I am afraid the graphics look pretty dire to me.

Maybe you can not capture the magic in a static screenshot.
lizoron 12th November 2011, 22:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by jimmyjj
I am sure it a great game but I am afraid the graphics look pretty dire to me.

Maybe you can not capture the magic in a static screenshot.

i play on a pc, the graphics are amazing. the water is so real and the distant mountains and weather storms are so life-like. i am still amazed that this game exists. very happy about it.
GravitySmacked 12th November 2011, 23:27 Quote
The graphics are OK, not groundbreaking but a step up from Fallout / Oblivion. The content, however, well it's excellent and well worth your time if you're
a fan of the series / genre.
r3Q 13th November 2011, 00:23 Quote
awesome game. i skimmed most of it, and didnt read any comments, back to play skyrim. almost 300k players today on steam. cod crappy game only had 40k hahah. talk about a flop huh?
feathers 13th November 2011, 09:55 Quote
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Originally Posted by triprunner
i dont understand the 95% for a game made on a barely rehashed old Fallout engine (and lame PC port version) which this very site criticised New Vegas for.
they've just slapped some DX10 effects and lighting on top of that old clunker and call it revolutionary and eye-candy...

it does look good on the consoles, i dont argue that, but on PC it looks very meh.

some people were annoyed that it scored similar in reviews to MW3 - well, it uses the same business model - rehashing the old engine for pennies and selling it at full price, money saved on development was spent on creating the "secong coming" hype and PR...

game is average and definitely not GoTY for me, that place is still occupied by The Witcher 2...


The game is overhyped and they have demonstrated clearly that console is the most important platform for them. Unfortunately the game will still sell more than it deserves on the pc as well because there are so many kiddies who are swept up in the sales hype. People also exhibit an annoying trait of convincing themselves something is good even when it's not. Living in denial. It happened with duke forever. A game so ugly and boring to play and yet many kiddies convinced themselves it was the best thing ever.

For me the situation is different. I have become increasingly annoyed by the games being released on pc with tired graphics and console retardation. A company like Dice is a diamond in a sea of glass gemstones because they recognize that actually graphics ARE important on a platform as powerful as the pc.

So many kiddies say who needs great graphics so long as the game is good? The answer is I do. I don't buy games on pc to get console ports with console textures and auto aim. For those who want ok graphics or who can't tell amazing graphics from average then play console games.

I will support dice and BF3 just because they made the effort to raise the standard for PC games. Even if skyrim is a good game I don't feel a lazy console port is worth supporting.

I look forward to more games using frostbyte 2 engine and also those indie developers working on games like HAWKEN on the Unreal UDK.
Smilodon 13th November 2011, 10:41 Quote
Been playing for a few hours now and I like it so far. I never got around to playing any of the other Elder Scrolls games, so I went into this with an open mind.


I'll admit that the technical aspect of the graphics isn't very good at all, but they still made it look good with the resources available. But then again, I prefer a world that is interesting and interactive to a world that looks pretty but feels cold and stiff.


The only things that bugs me at the moment is the narrow FOV (Found a fix, but can't seem to get it working properly) and the menu system could be a bit better. It works, but is confusing at first.
thehippoz 13th November 2011, 15:52 Quote
it's funny but all my time in oblivion came rushing back to me.. like putting something on the up key and having my character walk into a wall in sneak to max out my sneaking overnight xD

and maxing out my heavy and light armor by being evil early on.. letting the guards beat on me after I had legendary healing and decent gear.. found myself gravitating back towards that

it's almost the same game underneath it all..
Panos 13th November 2011, 16:10 Quote
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Originally Posted by feathers

The game is overhyped and they have demonstrated clearly that console is the most important platform for them. Unfortunately the game will still sell more than it deserves on the pc as well because there are so many kiddies who are swept up in the sales hype. People also exhibit an annoying trait of convincing themselves something is good even when it's not. Living in denial. It happened with duke forever. A game so ugly and boring to play and yet many kiddies convinced themselves it was the best thing ever.


Feathers clearly you are the kid here. Since 1988 I have gone through, almost every single RPG that came out. Many unheard of, even today. So graphics was never an issue. Even Elder Scrolls Arena that came out 17 years ago, had crap gfx compared to some other games of that era. But was good. Same as Daggerfall. The game was awesome, but the gfx worst than Ravenloft (example) which came out 2 years earlier.

The only thing that worth on all those 23 years of playing these type of games is the atmosphere of the game. That remains in memory, and not the gfx.
feathers 13th November 2011, 16:23 Quote
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Originally Posted by Panos
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Originally Posted by feathers

The game is overhyped and they have demonstrated clearly that console is the most important platform for them. Unfortunately the game will still sell more than it deserves on the pc as well because there are so many kiddies who are swept up in the sales hype. People also exhibit an annoying trait of convincing themselves something is good even when it's not. Living in denial. It happened with duke forever. A game so ugly and boring to play and yet many kiddies convinced themselves it was the best thing ever.


Feathers clearly you are the kid here. Since 1988 I have gone through, almost every single RPG that came out. Many unheard of, even today. So graphics was never an issue. Even Elder Scrolls Arena that came out 17 years ago, had crap gfx compared to some other games of that era. But was good. Same as Daggerfall. The game was awesome, but the gfx worst than Ravenloft (example) which came out 2 years earlier.

The only thing that worth on all those 23 years of playing these type of games is the atmosphere of the game. That remains in memory, and not the gfx.

So you think liking every RPG out there makes u mature?

You may not care much about graphics but I do. If I play a 3d game I want it to push the technological envelope. If I play plants versus zombies I don't care about cutting edge. Skyrim was hyped on its graphics. Come launch we see it's another console port. As dice said, they want to bring back PC gaming and that means cutting edge. While you clearly don't care if you have a low res overhyped console port, I certainly do and this idea that great graphics = crap gameplay is just so much BS.

On a platform as capable as the PC, I want amazing graphics and gameplay for my 3d games.

Unlike u I want pc gaming to advance with everything from Ai, physics, graphics and gameplay. I am no longer willing to accept any old bollocks.
Waynio 13th November 2011, 17:02 Quote
I don't understand people calling it a console port or calling it ugly, it's a massive map with a ridiculas amount of things to do in it & as such it looks fantastic, plus they support modding unlike most other game pubs.

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Beautiful game & love the fact that everywhere you can see you can wander off to it :).

The AI is actually pretty smart too, if I get to a higher platform to pick enemies off with the bow, they try to hide when they know they can't fight me :D.
feathers 13th November 2011, 18:16 Quote
I am OTT sometimes. I haven't even tried Skyrim since I am in between motherboards and CPU's at the moment. I would like to see more PC optimised games but I would still give Skyrimmer a go.

Let's get real here, not every game can be cutting edge graphically. If the game is good then that's ultimately what counts. Still wanna see more PC optimised games though.
thehippoz 13th November 2011, 18:19 Quote
yeah wayne I dunno how you could call it ugly.. the menus can see as a legit gripe to some but that's really picking at it.. if you liked oblivion, and understood oblivion (it's not a game for people with ocd- never was), you'll like this..

adjusting the fov helps and some tweaks in the config files.. full 60 fps here

still can't run the shadows at ultra without dipping below 60.. maybe I should upgrade my driver- but really having no problems running shadows at medium.. looks just fine

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