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How 9/11 Affected Games

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Centy-face 12th September 2011, 09:03 Quote
Great article and quite a few bits I never knew about before.
Simon Poole 12th September 2011, 09:09 Quote
That's quite a big effect :O
Elton 12th September 2011, 09:15 Quote
Fantastic article. And still one of the reasons I read BT's articles. This does seem to remind me of some previous blogs though.
Stonerd 12th September 2011, 09:22 Quote
Very well written, thought-provoking article.
Gunsmith 12th September 2011, 09:51 Quote
it made everyone cod stupid thats for sure.
The Infamous Mr D 12th September 2011, 09:56 Quote
Top quality article, chaps. Makes BT stand out for me whenever really good articles like this appear.
TheStockBroker 12th September 2011, 10:24 Quote
Interesting article!
[USRF]Obiwan 12th September 2011, 10:32 Quote
Although not originally in games. There are a lot of mods that aded the towers into the games.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnjLsoe17J4&feature=related
CardJoe 12th September 2011, 10:50 Quote
There's also some Half-Life 2 maps based on the two towers, though with huge creative license taken. It's less of a controversy and more of a 'Here are two really big buildings you can jump off of.'

http://singe.telefragged.com/hl2/maps/
towelie 12th September 2011, 11:24 Quote
Great article guys
Has anyone else noticed the massive shift from fighting the Russians or communists (cold war) in general to fighting the middle east arabs.
shaffaaf27 12th September 2011, 11:45 Quote
I personally think, if really we are going to be sensitive about a 9/11 game, then why bother with any war based game, ww or mw? Why arnt we respecting those who lost their lives in the world wars, or in Vietnam, or to this day in Iraq or Afghanistan, both of the native and the invaders. Why also not make games about israel?
Farfalho 12th September 2011, 12:31 Quote
Seriously, the censorship around 9/11 for me is complete bollocks! When not talking about something made it better?! It was scarring event for some people, for other wasn't and I speak for myself, it was a disaster, horrendous thing to do but why make it a taboo? Things get better and emotions are dealt better if the topic is discussed and then let it rest so when the people hear of it again won't feel depressed! Using 9/11 to make new products I don't agree but removal of its reminders from previous games is, for me, a little dumb.
Who really wants to see every year they live a memorial service and debate of what happened that day?! Isn't that worse than the industry tried to do? Let the deceased rest, their lives were full of work
dyzophoria 12th September 2011, 12:46 Quote
I respect and understand being sensitive about the incident on the WTC, (honestly I respect anything that could happen similarly to any culture and country). but honestly, if something happened to another country , I don't think that would be the same case though. I just have this gut feeling that this whole incident with the US is too... pro-US. I'm not saying lets ignore 9/11, but what I'm saying if we are sensitive and respectful with 9/11, we should be respectful with other disasters (or anything) with other countries as well. I remember with what happened to Haiti, people would joke even just 3 days layer, and even criticize afterwards donations that were given to them, but 9/11? if you ever joke anything about it. about 90% of people will definitely put up on you,lol, talk about being biased ,lol
stoff3r 12th September 2011, 12:51 Quote
Lets never forget, nor forgive !
feathers 12th September 2011, 12:58 Quote
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Lets never forget, nor forgive !

Grow up you ****. 9/11 goes much deeper than the surface reality you've been fed.
feathers 12th September 2011, 13:02 Quote
Selective giving-a-f*ck. We give a f*ck about 9/11 because it happened in a place we normally regard as unbreakable: The holy american empire. When people from other countries die we don't give a f*ck. When iran hangs 16 year old girls because they were raped and took revenge on their attackers, no one gives a ****.

Selective giving-a-f*ck is fake giving-a-f*ck

Point being that bad **** happens around the world every year and the majority of people don't give a sh*t.

When I read crap like "never forget, never forgive" it just makes me want to vomit. It's no different to the kind of crap spewed by a religious extremist. It's easy to sit in judgement when you don't have a clue about the truth.
goddi 12th September 2011, 13:10 Quote
Great article and quite a few bits I never knew about before.
StoneyMahoney 12th September 2011, 15:20 Quote
9/11 is a difficult subject because it touches an awful lot of raw nerves, not just in America but around the world. All the "never forget, never forgive" stuff is ultimately very damaging. We tried something like that in Europe after WW1 and it caused WW2, and the Holocaust. If you can't have a reasonable rational discussion about something, no matter how terrible or who caused it, you can never learn from the mistakes and move on.

Here's something for all you Americans to think about. After 9/11 a law was passed that made it illegal on American soil to raise funds for terrorist organisations. It's interesting that this law was not passed while the IRA was doing the fundraising for it's campaign against the UK in America. Aren't the US and UK supposed to be close allies and have some kind of special relationship? I guess close and special only go so far in American diplomacy.

America (the country) is far from innocent and while it's perfectly happy for innocents of other nations to suffer for it's actions it becomes outraged when any Americans (innocent or otherwise) are hurt for any reason what-so-ever. Discuss. Please. For the love of God let's talk about this!!
VMB90 12th September 2011, 15:43 Quote
Americans are too cocky and I think they had it coming because of this.
feathers 12th September 2011, 16:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by StoneyMahoney
9/11 is a difficult subject because it touches an awful lot of raw nerves, not just in America but around the world. All the "never forget, never forgive" stuff is ultimately very damaging. We tried something like that in Europe after WW1 and it caused WW2, and the Holocaust. If you can't have a reasonable rational discussion about something, no matter how terrible or who caused it, you can never learn from the mistakes and move on.

Here's something for all you Americans to think about. After 9/11 a law was passed that made it illegal on American soil to raise funds for terrorist organisations. It's interesting that this law was not passed while the IRA was doing the fundraising for it's campaign against the UK in America. Aren't the US and UK supposed to be close allies and have some kind of special relationship? I guess close and special only go so far in American diplomacy.

America (the country) is far from innocent and while it's perfectly happy for innocents of other nations to suffer for it's actions it becomes outraged when any Americans (innocent or otherwise) are hurt for any reason what-so-ever. Discuss. Please. For the love of God let's talk about this!!

Well said. Agree. I have family in the US and I loved the time I spent there. It's a fascinating country but I don't subscribe to all this patriotic bullsh*t. People like to feel they belong and unfortunately that can be carried to extremes. I recently discovered a UK friend of mine on facebook was a racist. She changed her profile pic to the union jack and started showing support for race hate groups. It's a shame that the union jack is slowly becoming a symbol for race hate. I have not the slightest interest in aligning myself to any groups or parties.

America is far from innocent (UK also) but it's a great showman/entertainer. On the surface america is this innocent disneyesque land, powerful yet benevolent. The reality is someone different. Dominated by huge corporations driven by greed/self-interest. Determined to control as much as they can regardless of the cost.

9/11 was of course a very bad day but there is so much more to it than people have been fed. Killing innocent people is never acceptable whatever your perceived/distorted view of reality. Likewise we create reasons for going to war and we justify killing innocent people.
BaDMau5 12th September 2011, 16:42 Quote
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Americans are too cocky and I think they had it coming because of this.

Comments like this ^^^ are another indication that many people around the world think that Americans deserved 9/11, and that idea is simply retarded. No nation is innocent, but nobody deserves being burned alive or smashed by collapsed building. Topics like 9/11 should not become taboo they need to be discussed, mostly because there is way to much shadiness about this whole story. Over 35% people here in the US believe that forces within the government made 9/11 events happen or didn't prevent them on purpose.There is way to many facts speaking against official version. BS is all around us. The source of excessive patriotism in the US after 9/11 Is the US government itself. They are the ones who speculated 9/11 events the most. It was relatively easy to manipulate masses after people got hurt and didn't know who to blame. So they started another bloody war covering themselves with their "war on the terror". I recommend watching documentaries like Fahrenheit 9/11, Lose Change and Zeitgeist.

Getting back to the topic i want to say that since there are movies like "Flight 93", 'World Trade Center" and others - there is nothing wrong with touching this topic in games. I dont think it is any different from using World War II as a story line in the game.
Raijin 12th September 2011, 16:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by feathers

Well said. Agree. I have family in the US and I loved the time I spent there. It's a fascinating country but I don't subscribe to all this patriotic bullsh*t. People like to feel they belong and unfortunately that can be carried to extremes. I recently discovered a UK friend of mine on facebook was a racist. She changed her profile pic to the union jack and started showing support for race hate groups. It's a shame that the union jack is slowly becoming a symbol for race hate. I have not the slightest interest in aligning myself to any groups or parties.

America is far from innocent (UK also) but it's a great showman/entertainer. On the surface america is this innocent disneyesque land, powerful yet benevolent. The reality is someone different. Dominated by huge corporations driven by greed/self-interest. Determined to control as much as they can regardless of the cost.

9/11 was of course a very bad day but there is so much more to it than people have been fed. Killing innocent people is never acceptable whatever your perceived/distorted view of reality. Likewise we create reasons for going to war and we justify killing innocent people.

Wow, you are really delusional lol, I want you to think about something real quick, if the Big Ben clock tower in the UK was bombed, or if Buckingham Palace or any other really well known landmark in the UK was bombed. Are you saying you would be in the streets going, "Don't kill the innocent Iraqies!" Or would you have been like us and retaliated. Any time a place or building that stands as a symbol for a country is attacked in anyway, the citizens of that country will retaliate with extreme prejudice, in fact yes we pretty much went crazy and if a Hydrogen bomb had been dropped on Iraq, Afghanistan, or Iran we would have cheered and no one, not a single person would have protested against it. You know why? Because America as a country was pissed, because someone had dared to attack us, because it's citizens thought themselves impervious to any attack. If the president had done nothing, then he would have been impeached instantly. Did we react too strongly with sending hundreds of thousands of troops into the East? Maybe, but it's better than the alternative, which was sitting back on our asses and basically telling the terrorists "Oh, you attacked us, well I dont' really give a ****, so go ahead and do it again."
Kiytan 12th September 2011, 17:14 Quote
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Originally Posted by Raijin


Wow, you are really delusional lol, I want you to think about something real quick, if the Big Ben clock tower in the UK was bombed, or if Buckingham Palace or any other really well known landmark in the UK was bombed. Are you saying you would be in the streets going, "Don't kill the innocent Iraqies!"

Damn right I would (and in many ways I did; I went on several anti-war marches). The actions of a few people don't justify attacking the other 30 million people that live in Iraq.


(also, if buckingham did get bombed, most people would just be pissed off about the amount of news coverage and traffic it caused)
Raijin 12th September 2011, 17:22 Quote
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Originally Posted by Kiytan

Damn right I would (and in many ways I did; I went on several anti-war marches). The actions of a few people don't justify attacking the other 30 million people that live in Iraq.


(also, if buckingham did get bombed, most people would just be pissed off about the amount of news coverage and traffic it caused)

Then you have no pride in your country, and you don't respect the lives of the soldiers lost in the war with Iraq. It's people like you that cause so many damn problems with the government, always going, "But what about the other innocents that didn't do anything." News flash, when you have people that strap bombs to kids and send them to soldiers, you really don't give one **** about the innocents. If we would have just bombed the damn country and all the other countries like it then we wouldn't have lost the amount of soldiers we did. Granted we would have killed a lot of "innocents" but there is such a thing as collateral damage. Is that cruel? Yes, but when faced with a country of radicals and extremists that absolutely hate your country, you do everything in your power to protect your country first.
Da_Rude_Baboon 12th September 2011, 17:41 Quote
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Originally Posted by Raijin


Wow, you are really delusional lol, I want you to think about something real quick, if the Big Ben clock tower in the UK was bombed, or if Buckingham Palace or any other really well known landmark in the UK was bombed. Are you saying you would be in the streets going, "Don't kill the innocent Iraqies!" Or would you have been like us and retaliated.

The Iraqis were innocent. They had no connection to 9/11 at all. The attacks were carried out by Saudi's and financed with Saudi money.
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