Published on 12th September 2011 by
Originally Posted by stoff3rLets never forget, nor forgive !
Originally Posted by StoneyMahoney9/11 is a difficult subject because it touches an awful lot of raw nerves, not just in America but around the world. All the "never forget, never forgive" stuff is ultimately very damaging. We tried something like that in Europe after WW1 and it caused WW2, and the Holocaust. If you can't have a reasonable rational discussion about something, no matter how terrible or who caused it, you can never learn from the mistakes and move on.
Here's something for all you Americans to think about. After 9/11 a law was passed that made it illegal on American soil to raise funds for terrorist organisations. It's interesting that this law was not passed while the IRA was doing the fundraising for it's campaign against the UK in America. Aren't the US and UK supposed to be close allies and have some kind of special relationship? I guess close and special only go so far in American diplomacy.
America (the country) is far from innocent and while it's perfectly happy for innocents of other nations to suffer for it's actions it becomes outraged when any Americans (innocent or otherwise) are hurt for any reason what-so-ever. Discuss. Please. For the love of God let's talk about this!!
Originally Posted by VMB90Americans are too cocky and I think they had it coming because of this.
Originally Posted by feathers
Well said. Agree. I have family in the US and I loved the time I spent there. It's a fascinating country but I don't subscribe to all this patriotic bullsh*t. People like to feel they belong and unfortunately that can be carried to extremes. I recently discovered a UK friend of mine on facebook was a racist. She changed her profile pic to the union jack and started showing support for race hate groups. It's a shame that the union jack is slowly becoming a symbol for race hate. I have not the slightest interest in aligning myself to any groups or parties.
America is far from innocent (UK also) but it's a great showman/entertainer. On the surface america is this innocent disneyesque land, powerful yet benevolent. The reality is someone different. Dominated by huge corporations driven by greed/self-interest. Determined to control as much as they can regardless of the cost.
9/11 was of course a very bad day but there is so much more to it than people have been fed. Killing innocent people is never acceptable whatever your perceived/distorted view of reality. Likewise we create reasons for going to war and we justify killing innocent people.
Originally Posted by Raijin
Wow, you are really delusional lol, I want you to think about something real quick, if the Big Ben clock tower in the UK was bombed, or if Buckingham Palace or any other really well known landmark in the UK was bombed. Are you saying you would be in the streets going, "Don't kill the innocent Iraqies!"
Originally Posted by Kiytan
Damn right I would (and in many ways I did; I went on several anti-war marches). The actions of a few people don't justify attacking the other 30 million people that live in Iraq.
(also, if buckingham did get bombed, most people would just be pissed off about the amount of news coverage and traffic it caused)
Originally Posted by Raijin
Wow, you are really delusional lol, I want you to think about something real quick, if the Big Ben clock tower in the UK was bombed, or if Buckingham Palace or any other really well known landmark in the UK was bombed. Are you saying you would be in the streets going, "Don't kill the innocent Iraqies!" Or would you have been like us and retaliated.
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