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Adnoctum 8th July 2011, 16:09 Quote
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Originally Posted by feathers
Wow! Only just noticed that! Can't believe the major review sites missed that one! FUGLY energy bar bottom right! Until then I thought the game was very good. Now I'm thinking I will uninstall it and sell it on ebay. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. What the **** were crytek thinking!

The way you are fiercely flying to the defence of Crysis 2 and Crytek you are one of three things:
  1. An employee of Crytek,
  2. A paid Crytek/EA stuffed shirt spamming any forum negative comment,
  3. A sad individual with a little boy crush for a game studio.

Do you really think that arguing about a matter of taste is in any way useful? You can't link your argument to a "fact" or a benchmark that can objectively rate how good a game is. You liked it. Others didn't. You have argued that it was good, but it hasn't swayed others. They argued it was crap, but it didn't sway you. Is there any further purpose by repeating the same thing again? Who cares?

I haven't played Crysis 2. I have no intention of playing it until it is $5 on Steam (therefore never) or I can gather enough interest to buy it for a similar amount on eBay (not likely though). I did play FC, Crysis and Crysis: Warhead, the best being Crysis. Though "best" is all relative, because other than looks it was quite ordinary.

I expect I'd be bored stupid by Crysis 2. Others who have played it have that opinion.

At the moment I'm more concerned at the fact that the Green Man Gaming site appears to be down so I can't get my free copy of Arma II.
Action_Parsnip 8th July 2011, 16:12 Quote
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BF2 eh? I bought it, tried to like it for several years and then just accepted my hatred of it. Flying a fast jet over a postage stamp sized map. One of my friends still plays it. He's ranked pretty high for his pilot skills (RS White).

No foolin? I've seen him around a good few times. He's a very good pilot. I mainly play air-defence on jet maps (hence I've seen him), and Spec-ops kit on City maps. I must be stuck in my ways, but no other with vehicles online FPS has ever seemed quite as good. I'm ranked 81st for spec-ops and 21st for kills with the carbine (spec-ops main gun). Asian_Poo_Grannies (yeah seemed funny but now it seems like a burden.)
xaser04 8th July 2011, 16:20 Quote
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Spend any time hanging around hardocp, you'll find out it's a kookey outfit. The editors say what they think. Reckon his conduct is soo childish? They lost a bunch of Nvidia advertising money from this, to state their opinions. They did not let a bag of money stop them saying what they believe in. Huge kudos for that, and for their integrity. They tell you exactly what they think 100% of the time.

Um yes..... It is blatantly obvious how childish it is.

For a review site like [H] to have their owner and editor acting so unprofessional is a joke (and makes them look like a joke in the process).

You can express your opinion and keep your integrity in an adult and professional manner so why the need to stoop to such a low level? Other sites manage it so why can't [H]?
glaeken 8th July 2011, 16:23 Quote
Surprised this wasn't mentioned in the article. There is also a nice screen space reflection included in the DX11 patch as well as the Bokeh effects are much improved. You can really see the new local reflections on glossy stuff like tile floors and puddles and what not.

Here's a good article from one of the developers on the enhancements made: http://www.mycrysis.com/sites/default/files/support/download/c2_dx11_ultra_upgrade.pdf
Adnoctum 8th July 2011, 17:18 Quote
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Originally Posted by xaser04

For a review site like [H] to have their owner and editor acting so unprofessional is a joke (and makes them look like a joke in the process).

You can express your opinion and keep your integrity in an adult and professional manner so why the need to stoop to such a low level? Other sites manage it so why can't [H]?

Then go to those sites and enjoy the professional attitude. Just like a bricks and mortar business, if their attitude and conduct offends you you are entitled to complain and then never use them again. You are also entitled to pass on your opinion of this poor attitude to others.
But you are not entitled to assume that such an attitude is unwelcome to others, nor are you entitled to demand a change in their attitude given you don't pay [H] for their articles.

Personally I like [H], though I am not a member of their forum and I'm only an occasional visitor. I like the articles, I like their style of writing and I like their methods of testing. Would I like all sites to be like [H]? No I wouldn't, but I'm glad they are there with an alternative view-point if not an alternative view. I really have no opinion of Kyle, I neither like nor dislike him.

Best thing about [H] is there is no pretence. It started off as an enthusiast site and it still is an enthusiast site, when all their contemporaries have sold out (in more ways than one!) to media conglomerates. They are never coy about saying what they think of the products that pass through their hands, which is not something I can always say for BT and most other review sites. It is easy to be critical if you have nothing to lose, but far more difficult if the object of your criticism is someone (individual or company) you are dependent on. They don't couch their words to lessen their criticism nor do they avoid giving it because it might upset an advertiser or powerful industry figure. They don't sell their opinion for money nor favour.

I only visit [H] once a week on average (I visit BT more often, sometimes daily), to catch up on published articles and reviews. But I would be very upset if they were no longer themselves.
feathers 8th July 2011, 17:37 Quote
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Originally Posted by Adnoctum
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Originally Posted by feathers
Wow! Only just noticed that! Can't believe the major review sites missed that one! FUGLY energy bar bottom right! Until then I thought the game was very good. Now I'm thinking I will uninstall it and sell it on ebay. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. What the **** were crytek thinking!

The way you are fiercely flying to the defence of Crysis 2 and Crytek you are one of three things:
  1. An employee of Crytek,
  2. A paid Crytek/EA stuffed shirt spamming any forum negative comment,
  3. A sad individual with a little boy crush for a game studio.

Do you really think that arguing about a matter of taste is in any way useful? You can't link your argument to a "fact" or a benchmark that can objectively rate how good a game is. You liked it. Others didn't. You have argued that it was good, but it hasn't swayed others. They argued it was crap, but it didn't sway you. Is there any further purpose by repeating the same thing again? Who cares?

I haven't played Crysis 2. I have no intention of playing it until it is $5 on Steam (therefore never) or I can gather enough interest to buy it for a similar amount on eBay (not likely though). I did play FC, Crysis and Crysis: Warhead, the best being Crysis. Though "best" is all relative, because other than looks it was quite ordinary.

I expect I'd be bored stupid by Crysis 2. Others who have played it have that opinion.

At the moment I'm more concerned at the fact that the Green Man Gaming site appears to be down so I can't get my free copy of Arma II.

It's option 3 kind of. I got sick of all the criticism of the original crysis because kiddies couldn't run it maxed out on their low end systems.

I played through and completed Crysis 1. Crysis 2 was more of the same so I got bored a short distance in to it.

Crysis 3 I was annoyed it was such an blatant console port and they couldn't even make it work in SLI. I emailed them to tell them how crap it was when some other companies are putting out DX11 games that work fine from day 1 (Dirt 3?). A day later they released the DX11 update.

When you say you expect you'd be bored stiff playing the game because others were... You've conducted a survey and established that the vast majority were bored playing it? Or you're kind of sheep like and have to fall in line with the opinions of others? Which is it?

Have you played Metro 2033? Now that's a boring game. I also have a copy of Arma II (I bought it on Steam for £5). Haven't got into it yet properly but what I've seen looks good.
feathers 8th July 2011, 17:40 Quote
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Originally Posted by feathers
BF2 eh? I bought it, tried to like it for several years and then just accepted my hatred of it. Flying a fast jet over a postage stamp sized map. One of my friends still plays it. He's ranked pretty high for his pilot skills (RS White).

No foolin? I've seen him around a good few times. He's a very good pilot. I mainly play air-defence on jet maps (hence I've seen him), and Spec-ops kit on City maps. I must be stuck in my ways, but no other with vehicles online FPS has ever seemed quite as good. I'm ranked 81st for spec-ops and 21st for kills with the carbine (spec-ops main gun). Asian_Poo_Grannies (yeah seemed funny but now it seems like a burden.)

Asian poo grannies? What porn has the clan been watching (link me to it please:).

RS White should be even better soon. He bought a Saitek X52 Pro recently so he should have better control in flight. It's his first HOTAS control system.
Action_Parsnip 8th July 2011, 17:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by Adnoctum
Then go to those sites and enjoy the professional attitude. Just like a bricks and mortar business, if their attitude and conduct offends you you are entitled to complain and then never use them again. You are also entitled to pass on your opinion of this poor attitude to others.
But you are not entitled to assume that such an attitude is unwelcome to others, nor are you entitled to demand a change in their attitude given you don't pay [H] for their articles.

Personally I like [H], though I am not a member of their forum and I'm only an occasional visitor. I like the articles, I like their style of writing and I like their methods of testing. Would I like all sites to be like [H]? No I wouldn't, but I'm glad they are there with an alternative view-point if not an alternative view. I really have no opinion of Kyle, I neither like nor dislike him.

Best thing about [H] is there is no pretence. It started off as an enthusiast site and it still is an enthusiast site, when all their contemporaries have sold out (in more ways than one!) to media conglomerates. They are never coy about saying what they think of the products that pass through their hands, which is not something I can always say for BT and most other review sites. It is easy to be critical if you have nothing to lose, but far more difficult if the object of your criticism is someone (individual or company) you are dependent on. They don't couch their words to lessen their criticism nor do they avoid giving it because it might upset an advertiser or powerful industry figure. They don't sell their opinion for money nor favour.

I only visit [H] once a week on average (I visit BT more often, sometimes daily), to catch up on published articles and reviews. But I would be very upset if they were no longer themselves.

+1 Exactly.

They said themselves to not express thier opinion on Crysis 2 would have payed off handsomely with advertising $ from Nvidia. They chose to say what they thought, and to keep sticking to that throughout. They are deadly serious when they state things and they tell it exactly how they find it. There's no dancing around issues, skimming over problems, it's all honest and upfront. Plus their testing methods are imho the best around, although that is a side point.

I found the whole article and comment thread (in the sense of my geekery past times) quite life-affirming (again my geek-life). Brutal honesty from the guys in charge, not fluffed-up in any regard is most refreshing and it was also in a sense heartening to see such genuine emotion conveyed. He literally stood up and said "This is BOLL#CKS, shame on YOU Crytek" and I genuinely appreciated that as a PC geek to see a review site really stick it to the man. EVERY other hardware site has just said "yeah it's an average shooter" whereas a huge chunk of the PC gaming crowd have been seething in the multitude of forums out there.

The ultimate point is this is the first time I have seen a site owner, at the mercy of advertising and sponsorship revenue, come out and sympathise with his readers and good on him. It cost him and his business money to say what he thinks, so doubley good on him.
CardJoe 8th July 2011, 17:47 Quote
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Originally Posted by glaeken
Surprised this wasn't mentioned in the article. There is also a nice screen space reflection included in the DX11 patch as well as the Bokeh effects are much improved. You can really see the new local reflections on glossy stuff like tile floors and puddles and what not.

Here's a good article from one of the developers on the enhancements made: http://www.mycrysis.com/sites/default/files/support/download/c2_dx11_ultra_upgrade.pdf

It is mentioned in the article. It's linked to directly. It's quoted from (and referenced) and was used as an accompaniment to the writing process.
Action_Parsnip 8th July 2011, 17:49 Quote
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Originally Posted by feathers
Asian poo grannies? What porn has the clan been watching (link me to it please:).

RS White should be even better soon. He bought a Saitek X52 Pro recently so he should have better control in flight. It's his first HOTAS control system.

XD It came from when my housemate back at uni helped me get the router up and running. At the end he said "right, dont go watching loads of dirty porno, no bloody, ....asian poo grannies!"

And that was that.

ah these joystick guys, ...soo jealous, here I am with mouse and keyboard. :P Flying with direction keys then trying to shoot off missle with numpad 0 brings me out in a right case of derp.

My clan is now thoroughly dead, originally called Jolt Veterans (Tag: Jvet), then later changed thier name to FSFA gaming. The dedicated BF2 server is just a wandering zombie with noone on it anymore. Used to be packed with 3-4 squad per side ALL using voip. Some of the best city-maps players the game has ever had. Cursed BC2 knifed it in the face though .......sigh.
feathers 8th July 2011, 17:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by Action_Parsnip
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Originally Posted by feathers
Asian poo grannies? What porn has the clan been watching (link me to it please:).

RS White should be even better soon. He bought a Saitek X52 Pro recently so he should have better control in flight. It's his first HOTAS control system.

XD It came from when my housemate back at uni helped me get the router up and running. At the end he said "right, dont go watching loads of dirty porno, no bloody, ....asian poo grannies!"

And that was that.

ah these joystick guys, ...soo jealous, here I am with mouse and keyboard. :P Flying with direction keys then trying to shoot off missle with numpad 0 brings me out in a right case of derp.

My clan is now thoroughly dead, originally called Jolt Veterans (Tag: Jvet), then later changed thier name to FSFA gaming. The dedicated BF2 server is just a wandering zombie with noone on it anymore. Used to be packed with 3-4 squad per side ALL using voip. Some of the best city-maps players the game has ever had. Cursed BC2 knifed it in the face though .......sigh.

LOL. RS White has started playing BF2 recently again. I will send him here when he gets online soon.

I have BC2, completed single player and played multi a little but haven't touched it for ages.
Shayper09 8th July 2011, 18:26 Quote
Hmm... I only have 4gb ram, am I likely to hit issues with this update? Runs fine for me normally, downloading the update now.

i5 2500k @5ghz and gtx 580 @1ghz/2.2ghz
feathers 8th July 2011, 18:59 Quote
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Originally Posted by Shayper09
Hmm... I only have 4gb ram, am I likely to hit issues with this update? Runs fine for me normally, downloading the update now.

i5 2500k @5ghz and gtx 580 @1ghz/2.2ghz

LOL. How are you cooling the I5?
somidiot 8th July 2011, 20:52 Quote
That's some cool stuff, but what about new benchmarks for the new eye candy? I haven't played it yet, so I'm curious what the new features do to performance. Plus I'd like to see you guys run it on a "recommended" system with an SSD and 2 gtx 590's with everything cranked on. The nerd in me has to ask.

BTW the facial movement stuff was in HL 2, they just added more facial detail in ep 1 and 2. I think lip movement is the best way to tell if something is CGI or not. It's just not quite there yet. Tough thing to get just right IMO.

http://t2ak.roblox.com/cd4ce283fcecb74be79c0540f412e765
jimmyjj 8th July 2011, 20:53 Quote
Graphics update is amazing.

Still screen shots do not do it justice by any means. A lot of the effects are quite subtle and it is seeing the game in action and immersing yourself in the game world that allows them to shine through.

I would suggest that a large proportion of people who are negative about Crysis 2 have one of the following axes to grind:

Crysis 2 was also released on other formats.
Crysis 2 did not feature Direct X 11 from its initial release.
Crysis 2 did not push release date graphical hardware as much as Crysis 1.
Crysis 2 does not work on their rig very will (for any number of reasons)

Its does not have game breaking gameplay, and it is not perfect. However it is a good fun game, a blast to play though once or twice and if you have the rig to handle the latest graphical update it looks absolutely amazing.

I am not championing the game or saying it is the best thing since sliced bread, but its a fun game with cool graphics and does not deserve the level of loathing it seems to have generated with some individuals.

If you get a chance to pick it up cheap then give it a bash.I got mine for 17 quid and no doubt about it got my moneys worth out of it.
somidiot 8th July 2011, 20:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by Shayper09
Hmm... I only have 4gb ram, am I likely to hit issues with this update? Runs fine for me normally, downloading the update now.

i5 2500k @5ghz and gtx 580 @1ghz/2.2ghz

Impressive set of overclocks and you can't get 4 more GB of RAM? XD
treker_ed 8th July 2011, 20:58 Quote
Not too sure what is going on here - i dont have an uber quad sli/crossfire with i7 extreme 6 core processor.......i have a meak GTX460 1gb, AMD PhenomII 965BE (stock speed) MSI 890FXA-GD70 mobo, 8gb Ram, 1TB HDD & 64GB SSD (All games are on the (HDD - windows only on SSD).
I can run this game on that set up (screen res 1680x1050) with all the bells and whistles switched on - with (so far) NO performance hit. Looks good, runs great.
somidiot 8th July 2011, 22:25 Quote
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Not too sure what is going on here - i dont have an uber quad sli/crossfire with i7 extreme 6 core processor.......i have a meak GTX460 1gb, AMD PhenomII 965BE (stock speed) MSI 890FXA-GD70 mobo, 8gb Ram, 1TB HDD & 64GB SSD (All games are on the (HDD - windows only on SSD).
I can run this game on that set up (screen res 1680x1050) with all the bells and whistles switched on - with (so far) NO performance hit. Looks good, runs great.

Have you gotten the patch and run the DX 11 code yet?
PopcornMachine 9th July 2011, 02:01 Quote
...the patches offer substantial, if incremental graphics updates...

Maybe someone can explain how something can be substantial and incremental at the same time.

I usually come to this site for straight reviews on things, but it appears you are bending over backwards to say something good about crysis 2.

I enjoy playing the game some, but found the minor visual differences provided DX11 and the textures not to be worth the loss in frame rates.

And I don't think your own images show how little change there really is.
glaeken 9th July 2011, 02:14 Quote
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Originally Posted by CardJoe
It is mentioned in the article. It's linked to directly. It's quoted from (and referenced) and was used as an accompaniment to the writing process.

:o Oops. Somehow missed that. Sorry about that.
rogerrabbits 9th July 2011, 06:54 Quote
Still prefer crysis 1... Looks better, plays better, would probably taste better if I could lick it.
feathers 9th July 2011, 10:23 Quote
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Still prefer crysis 1... Looks better, plays better, would probably taste better if I could lick it.

I reinstalled Crysis 1 a few months ago. Even on max detail the textures look somewhat cartoony compared to Crysis 2 even in DX9. It certainly doesn't look better. You might say the game play is better but by the time Warhead was released I was tired of jungle walking and snow fights. Crysis 2 gives me the change I needed.

I suspect a lot of the complainers haven't actually bothered to play Crysis 2 or play it very far. It just becomes more or less a game to see who can trash it the most. A sad reflection of a spoiled brat society.
impar 9th July 2011, 10:52 Quote
Greetings!
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Originally Posted by feathers
I reinstalled Crysis 1 a few months ago. Even on max detail the textures look somewhat cartoony compared to Crysis 2 even in DX9.
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Feathers, do you work, or are in any way related, to Crytek or EA?
Are you geting paid for your effort?
Shayper09 9th July 2011, 11:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by feathers
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Originally Posted by Shayper09
Hmm... I only have 4gb ram, am I likely to hit issues with this update? Runs fine for me normally, downloading the update now.

i5 2500k @5ghz and gtx 580 @1ghz/2.2ghz

LOL. How are you cooling the I5?

Have it under water, check the build log in my sig. Probably gonna try hit higher at some point :)
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Originally Posted by somidiot
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Originally Posted by Shayper09
Hmm... I only have 4gb ram, am I likely to hit issues with this update? Runs fine for me normally, downloading the update now.

i5 2500k @5ghz and gtx 580 @1ghz/2.2ghz

Impressive set of overclocks and you can't get 4 more GB of RAM? XD

:D That's my next upgrade, along with corsair SP2500s and a Hazro 27" :)
feathers 9th July 2011, 11:14 Quote
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Originally Posted by impar
Greetings!
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Originally Posted by feathers
I reinstalled Crysis 1 a few months ago. Even on max detail the textures look somewhat cartoony compared to Crysis 2 even in DX9.
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Crysis 2 with Crysis 2 textures:
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4195/crysis2texture.jpg
Crysis 2 with Crysis 1 textures:
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/4195/crysis2texture.jpg
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Basically, the majority of all textures in Crysis 2 are half the resolution quality of those in Crysis 1. Crytek downgraded the textures significantly in order to be on consoles.

Feathers, do you work, or are in any way related, to Crytek or EA?
Are you geting paid for your effort?

No but I would like to be. I just get sick of all the complaining. I've played through Crysis 2 quite far (just past a section where crap-load of aliens were coming at me) and the game is a lot of fun. I think I can generally tell when a game is crap (uninstalled Duke Nukem F after an hour's game-play).

I think we increasingly live in a society that bitches and complains about everything. I remember the endless complaining about Crysis 1, now Crysis 2 is here the endless bitching has shifted to that.

I totally get that Crytek screwed up with the PC version. Now the 1.9/DX11 is finally here at least it was worth the wait. I wonder perhaps if Crytek should just ditch PC gamers completely since all they seem to do is complain. I'm a PC gamer, don't have a console but I am sick of the negativity towards what is actually a pretty good game.

To me you all come across as little school-yard bullies who get a kick out of trashing something. It's like you're all competing to see who can be the most negative in order to impress the other little rats.

I wonder also if you're trying to dissuade people from playing the game.

If Crysis 2 is so ****... What games would you recommend?
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