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Football Manager and the Fun of Failure

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PandaLand 14th March 2011, 08:50 Quote
I wish they'd make a Hockey version of this game.
tyepye 14th March 2011, 09:25 Quote
It's a few years old now but there is an Ice Hockey version of the game, unless you meant pitch hockey then this link will be no use to you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHL_Eastside_Hockey_Manager_2007

Many nights (and days) I have succomb to the game. I am a huge Manchester United fan but like to dable in other clubs every now and again. As Spurs boss in my first season I managed to become FA Cup winners, have a solid 4th spot in the league and only just lose out to Barcelona in the Champions League final 3-2 AET.

Now how true Spurs' Champs League run will be in real life is up for debate, but if it does come anywhere close to being what I had on my game, remember you heard it hear first. Also I really enjoy signing a player, who 6 months later is being tracked by the top clubs in Europe. Makes me always think I am one step ahead of my real life counterparts.

I always wonder if I should change my career from IT to Football Management, but then I remember I can't walk away from the game for a couple of days when it all goes tits up and, like my recent Man Utd game, I lose everything in the final few weeks of the season!
Abhorsen 14th March 2011, 09:32 Quote
I'll be honest, while i agree FM 2005 is a good game it isn't the holy grail.

The golden age was Championship Manager 01/02 and the peak of that game was winning the Champions League with Falkirk and then promptly resigning.
tyepye 14th March 2011, 09:39 Quote
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The golden age was Championship Manager 01/02.

This I agree wholeheartedly with and this great website: http://champman0102.co.uk/forum/content.php
updates the data every year with patches so that you can play the latest season in a great champ mang game.
yakyb 14th March 2011, 09:47 Quote
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The golden age was Championship Manager 01/02 and the peak of that game was winning the Champions League with Falkirk and then promptly resigning.

agree to much detail nowadays i dont think it can be classed as a game anymore
Abhorsen 14th March 2011, 09:49 Quote
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The golden age was Championship Manager 01/02.

This I agree wholeheartedly with and this great website: http://champman0102.co.uk/forum/content.php
updates the data every year with patches so that you can play the latest season in a great champ mang game.

MATE! You have just given me a link to something i have merely dreamed of.

I am now saying goodbye to the next month of my life.
tyepye 14th March 2011, 09:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by Abhorsen
The golden age was Championship Manager 01/02.

This I agree wholeheartedly with and this great website: http://champman0102.co.uk/forum/content.php
updates the data every year with patches so that you can play the latest season in a great champ mang game.

MATE! You have just given me a link to something i have merely dreamed of.

I am now saying goodbye to the next month of my life.

Gald to have been of assistance, I remember the day I stumbled across it, I was giddy for days. I do love how speedy 01/02 is. Can rip through a season in less than a day.

Also check out the forums on that website. The community is great with people telling their managing stories and there are challenges and what not which add a new layer of fun to the game!
Abhorsen 14th March 2011, 10:09 Quote
I've got the bug again, the only downside to patching will be that i can't sign Jonas Lunden, Mark Kerr, Keigan Parker and Kim Kallstrom!
kempez 14th March 2011, 10:33 Quote
Ahhh Kim Kallstrom....he was awesome at every club I bought him ;)
chrismarkham1982 14th March 2011, 11:07 Quote
i always evandro roncatto to be amazing on this but tbh it think fm'07 was the best
SMIFFYDUDE 14th March 2011, 11:45 Quote
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I've got the bug again, the only downside to patching will be that i can't sign Jonas Lunden, Mark Kerr, Keigan Parker and Kim Kallstrom!

It was Torsten Gutschow and Onesimo in CM 99/00 that were my must buys for Hereford United.

I prefer CM pre CM4 to FM games, they are a lot easier to get into.
backdrifter 14th March 2011, 11:52 Quote
For fans of the simpler days of the series, the Football Manager Handheld series plays along similar lines to good old CM 01/02.
Phil Rhodes 14th March 2011, 12:11 Quote
How on earth is this even a game?! It's competitive Excel!

Gah. Football. Opiate of the masses.
V3ctor 14th March 2011, 13:15 Quote
I still play FM2005... LOL... What a coincidence.. :D

But now I just play FM2010, can't even touch the new one because of the player's agents...
perplekks45 14th March 2011, 13:56 Quote
God, those were the days!

Back in '89 it was Bundesliga Manager for me, going to BM Professional later & in '94 it was BM Hattrick, the greatest manager game ever. Known in the UK as Football Limited I understand.
The greatest... apart from Ice Hockey Manager from '93.

All games above were released/developed by KRON Software & Software 2000. Great times with those games... gotta find them again AND get them to run in DOS Box. ;)
Jim 14th March 2011, 18:05 Quote
I can't be bothered with the Football Manager games any more. I think I've bought three out of the last four, and just cannot be bothered with them.

You spend ages doing really well, and then all of a sudden your season falls apart with no indication why. Go onto the Sports Interactive forums, and all anybody can suggest is that you study a 100 page tactical manual and begin micromanaging every nuance of the game. At which point, it's hardly a game.

For those who play it incessantly, it can become so easy, people effortlessly winning promotion season after seasons, but for those who just want to play casually, have a bit of fun, and turn their local club side into a behemoth-destroying machine full of Brazilian starlets, it's completely and utterly pointless.

I haven't truly enjoyed the series since 01/02 either... and I suspect I won't ever buy it again.
fathazza 14th March 2011, 21:24 Quote
Ive been playing CM 01/02 for the last 10 years. I have definitely had my monies worth from that game!

Best signings from around the 99-00-01-02 era

Steve Housham
Kern Lyne
Maurcio Risso
Jonas Lunden
Kennedy Bakircioglu
Basically anyone swedish really!

PS: Forgot to add if anyone wants a bit of nostalgia,l CM 01-02 is actually free these days http://eidos.http.internapcdn.net/eidos_vitalstream_com/cm0102/cm0102.zip
http://forums.championshipmanager.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=63494

The current chapman0102 patch is a bit of a hot bed of bulgarian and belgian talent!

The only downside with it now is it franky looks ridiculous in either windowed or full screen mode on my current monitor (27" Dell)
John_T 15th March 2011, 02:04 Quote
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Gah. Football. Opiate of the masses.

Sacrilege! Go and wash your mouth out sir! :)

Football isn't really even a game anyway, it's more an expression of life itself: evoking a deeper and more genuine passion, joy & heartache than any other form art or theatre. It's like human chess, but where every single piece on the board moves simultaneously - a free-flowing combination of brawn and brain played out together in perfect unison. A triumph of the human spirit over the drudgery of mere existence.

Opiate of the masses indeed, good grief. You sound like a West Ham fan resigned to going down & pretending you don't care...
perplekks45 15th March 2011, 09:11 Quote
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...whine whine whine...
It's a bloody SIMULATION, mate!

They've never been made with casual I-can-flip-birds-into-obstacles-with-my-finger gamers in mind. (I love Angry Birds, by the way, great time killer)
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Sacrilege! Go and wash your mouth out sir! :)

Football isn't really even a game anyway, it's more an expression of life itself: evoking a deeper and more genuine passion, joy & heartache than any other form art or theatre. It's like human chess, but where every single piece on the board moves simultaneously - a free-flowing combination of brawn and brain played out together in perfect unison. A triumph of the human spirit over the drudgery of mere existence.

Opiate of the masses indeed, good grief. You sound like a West Ham fan resigned to going down & pretending you don't care...
That must be the most OTT yet beautiful description of football I've ever read! Have some rep for that. ;)

Read much Lord Dunsay much, do you? ;)
MiNiMaL_FuSS 15th March 2011, 18:10 Quote
I agree that 01/02 was the climax of the series, people forget that champ man was made by SI back then, Si now make Football Manager which is the true successor to the original Champ Man....the current Champ Man series limps on under a well known publisher.

FM11 is really very good, it takes a bit of getting used to, but can definately be as easy or difficult as you want, the tactical overhaul did a fantastic job.
wiggles 15th March 2011, 22:35 Quote
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It's a bloody SIMULATION, mate!

Its a bloody awful simulation then!

The more recent instances of FM have, imho, been too reliant on form. Which might explain why your season has fallen apart for no reason.
perplekks45 16th March 2011, 09:01 Quote
It's awful because it's hard? I don't think so, sorry.

A simulation is awful when elemental parts (physics in a flight simulator, ball physics in a football game, transfer system in a manager simulation, ...) are flawed. This is obviously not the case here. It's "just" a case of investing time or not.

Sure they could have made things a bit easier by not making the game so hard in the later stages but then you'd have hardcore gamers (the true fan base, the people buying the latest version each and every year) complaining about that. I agree that finding the balance isn't easy and I'm not saying they did it right but there will always be people who find it to hard/easy.

In my opinion a simulation should be so hard as to boarder on the frustrating. Else it's arcade or casual gaming.
John_T 16th March 2011, 23:34 Quote
Cheers perplekks, I must admit, I did get just a little carried away with it all there! :)

I've never actually got around to reading any Lord Dunsany, though I probably aught to, (he's one on a very long 'to-do' list, including the likes of Robert Burns). So many writers, so little time...
John_T 16th March 2011, 23:42 Quote
By the way, I agree that simulators shouldn't necessarily be easy, as that's not really the point of them. The sense of satisfaction and achievement on winning something difficult is magnified untold times when compared to something which you simply do first time out.

And let's face it, winning the Premiership is difficult.

Just ask spurs... :)
perplekks45 17th March 2011, 14:04 Quote
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Cheers perplekks, I must admit, I did get just a little carried away with it all there! :)

I've never actually got around to reading any Lord Dunsany, though I probably aught to, (he's one on a very long 'to-do' list, including the likes of Robert Burns). So many writers, so little time...
A little, yes. ;)

Add Arthur Machen & HP Lovecraft to the list. Well worth the read. ;)
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