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Dragon Age 2 Review

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MiNiMaL_FuSS 8th March 2011, 18:08 Quote
sounds a little disapointing, i loved the first, rekiddled my love of RPGs with its humor... led to me playing the witch which is even better.
Tyrmot 8th March 2011, 18:28 Quote
Sounds as tedious as I was expecting. Shame. Is Bioware's head of 'maturity' some pimply teenager or what? How long are they going to keep pushing this ridiculous 'sex + gore = mature' line? It's embarrassing more than anything. Maturity = character development with emotional attachment to said characters, not thinly-veiled (or unveiled) references to threesomes, blowjobs etc etc or being able to get a lapdance. 'Lean forward'; 'Lean back'. Sigh.
CDomville 8th March 2011, 18:28 Quote
Pre ordered all the same. For those baning the graphics, Bioware have 1 GB of high resolution textures avaialble at http://social.bioware.com/page/da2-patches
Unknownsock 8th March 2011, 18:42 Quote
I wish i never read this review...

DA:O was typically a traditional RPG which i loved. I can't help but feel that they've taken too much from ME2's book here. I hate how devs recently keep taking more and more customisation out from this genre and make it supposedly more streamlined, for the mass's

Plus i never understood Bioware's stance on sex, I don't care not believe in censorship but the content they add is just pointless.
Skiddywinks 8th March 2011, 18:47 Quote
Whoever owns the rights really needs to make Baldurs Gate 3.
slaw 8th March 2011, 18:49 Quote
Bummer!!!

I have preordered this! I loved the last game but this one sounds dumbed down like ME2! poooo
Jezza 8th March 2011, 19:13 Quote
Maybe most of BioWare's talent is working on ME3 and SWTOR because it sounds like they weren't as focussed on this one.
greypilgers 8th March 2011, 19:43 Quote
Still can't believe they thought it would be good for enemies to explode in a cloud of red when poked with a sword, like a Ribena filled balloon... That picture on the first page of the review just looks ridiculous... VERY disappointed Bioware.

D+. Must Try Harder - See Me.
frontline 8th March 2011, 19:49 Quote
Didn't play the first game but tried the demo of the second - thought it looked a bit poor. Voice acting seemed below average, with all the female characters sounding identical. Or that was the impression i got.

Plus was getting graphical glitches on my 5870.
kaz1989 8th March 2011, 20:06 Quote
Pretty much what I was expecting TBH. I'm hoping that they don't rush Mass Effect 3 like they did this. I love the Mass Effect series and really don't want Bioware to sell out to EA and release ASAP for sales.
Orca 8th March 2011, 20:37 Quote
Well I pre-ordered this a while back (and pre-loaded it now too) so I'm sure it'll be a good 20+ distraction anyways.

I'm looking forward to seeing the hi-res textures in action with DX11 though, the demo was lackluster to say the least.
WildThing 8th March 2011, 21:43 Quote
Nice review Joe, cheers. Looks ok but it lacks a bunch of things I enjoyed about the original, like the classic UI and the ability to customize every character in quite some detail. This will have to wait until a Steam sale I think...
Zurechial 8th March 2011, 23:03 Quote
This is pretty much the tone and sentiment I was expecting for this review - Everything I had seen in previews and press releases hinted at precisely this outcome for DA2.
I never really got into DAO much - I think the "spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate" hype killed it for me by dishonestly raising expectations; and the 'streamlining' for DA2 just puts me off straight away.
Kiytan 8th March 2011, 23:44 Quote
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Originally Posted by greypilgers
Still can't believe they thought it would be good for enemies to explode in a cloud of red when poked with a sword, like a Ribena filled balloon... That picture on the first page of the review just looks ridiculous... VERY disappointed Bioware.

D+. Must Try Harder - See Me.

Yeah really annoyed me, and shield "wall" on the demo looks unbelievably stupid, in DA:O shield wall made you look all defensive, in this you start doing what i can only describe as fencing, with you shield hand up near your head. Looks ****ing stupid.
Skiddywinks 9th March 2011, 00:09 Quote
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Originally Posted by Zurechial
This is pretty much the tone and sentiment I was expecting for this review - Everything I had seen in previews and press releases hinted at precisely this outcome for DA2.
I never really got into DAO much - I think the "spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate" hype killed it for me by dishonestly raising expectations; and the 'streamlining' for DA2 just puts me off straight away.

This. The exact same thing killed it for me. DA:O had nothing on BG, and despite trying my hardest to get in to it, I just couldn't. Tried twice as well. Both times got about 6 hours in and just couldn't be arsed.

Games are getting easier and more simple every year, an DA2 is a good example of that. Made it more action based, made/kept it "mature" and cut it down to three classes. There were classes in BG2 that had more than three sub-classes.

I'm all for streamlining something if it truly means streamlining, but cutting things out does not make it more intuitive. And I do agree with the argument of doing some things well rather than a lot of things so-so, but we know that Bioware can do a million things incredibly, so I can't help but feel disappointed with everything that they do recently. I do love ME and ME2, but even there the obvious gutting of everything is readily apparent. I think the last "wow" game from Bioware was probably KotOR, and that had some issues of its own and still managed to be frickin' awesome.

Is this what getting old feels like?
Eiffie 9th March 2011, 01:41 Quote
Been playing it since it came out last night here in the US. Level 14 warrior and I've been hacking and slashing my way to victory fairly easily on normal mode. Might have to turn it up a notch on my next character. :(
thehippoz 9th March 2011, 03:06 Quote
do you have to watch the backdoor in this one? or are you swinging all over the place

I don't want an elf all over my backside
Skiddywinks 9th March 2011, 03:13 Quote
Would you rather a Dwarf, maybe?
thehippoz 9th March 2011, 03:50 Quote
yeah I think I did a dwarf in the first one.. was accidental in the brothel

he said something about tapping the gold motherload then I walked outside and the elf was asking me inappropriate questions..
sausages 9th March 2011, 04:38 Quote
I like it.

It not as dumbed down as people are expecting. It's no Baldur's Gate, but it's not much different to Dragon Age 1, if anything it's better. You still need to pause and you can still get your party wiped out, especially early in the game before you have really had a chance to affect the basic builds of your party.

All the talk about faster combat and hack n slash is misleading in my opinion. It's not really different to Baldur's Gate in that the majority of the fights are just simple 'yard trash' fights that you hack n slash your way through. It's these fights which are fast and PEW PEW PEW, but so were they in the Baldur's Gate games too, in fact in the first half of BG2, one good quick fireball would splat pretty much every enemy on the screen. In this game, about every 1 in 5 fights is bigger and more dangerous and you have to pause and be careful. The only negative is that spells don't seem to harm my team mates on Normal mode, but I don't really care about that too much, because even the biggest of spells so far, are not killing everything anyway. So I still have to run around with my mage, picking targets well and using all my spells. Enemy mages teleport all over the place and have magic resistance spells so you can't just fire storm them like the first game.

Also the graphics are a massive improvement, especially with the DX11 high res pack, and I find the game to be much better than the first game in terms of story and setting, graphics, presentation, and locations. People should definitely think twice before assuming this got ruined.
cypressgroove 9th March 2011, 06:51 Quote
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I like it. <<SNIP>> People should definitely think twice before assuming this got ruined.

I have to agree with this. I sat down with it yesterday morning intending to give in a half hour to confirm it was all bad. Seven hours later I finally quit because I had to go pick the kids up from school. I think the last game that did that to me was probably way back before even the original DA:O.

There are some legitimate niggles to my mind; mainly to do with the equipment really. The inability to properly upgrade your party's armour robs one element of fun that is always been part of RPGs, and confused me a little at first. The other thing that seems strange is that very early on I got some fantastic equipment, including some I wouldn't be able to use until my stats improved. Since then (probably ~2 hours in) I haven't run across a single item actually worth changing my equipment for, except to switch up to the ones I already had as my stats allowed. That's a dramatic difference to most RPGs who seem to really get off on having a massive catalogue of subtly different pointy hurty things with which to swing at it's antagonists usually gained at a steady pace throughout.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned much on teh interwebz is the attention to detail that has been put into DA2 in terms of the 'gamer experience' as compared to DA:O. Simply put, everything seems more polished and intuitive. The load times are practically nonexistant, you never feel like you failed at something arbitrarily, it's always because of a bad choice you made, so you get to try again from a save (which load almost instantly, like incremental save games SHOULD) and it's easy to change the outcome the second time round. The cutscenes are handled fluidly and feel part of the experience instead of added on later. Also the approach to the dialogue and party dynamics is never confusing and really makes it nice and clear what 'role' you are creating for your own character (presumably something 'role playing games' *should* excel at) and how that role effects the game going forward. I couldn't say how similar any of those things are to the ME games, as I'm one of those people affected by the insta-crash bug related to my sound hardware, so was never able to play those games, but if this is all ME stuff I can finally see for myself why those games got the critical acclaim they did.

What I will say is that it is definitely a different beast to the more traditional Bioware fantasy output. I've played and loved every single one from BG1 through PS:T and up to DA:O and where most of those fell on the 'nerdy' end of the 'nerd------fun' scale - this one is rooted firmly as the 'fun' end. There's still plenty to get your teeth into if you want to play tactically and with some lashings of traditional RPG micromanagement, but I think to experience it the way they intended this time around, it's almost better to forget it's heritage and just have a blast enjoying taking part in a suitably grand storyline that at many times feels like being part of an interactive fantasy movie.

In other words if you're ONLY interested in RPG games, and then ONLY interested in ones that require knowledge of the rules and math as well as a lot of micromanagement to succeed, then it might be best to avoid this one. However, if you can enjoy other genres of game, like fantasy settings and want to be solidly entertained for a good long time for your $, there's a lot about DA2 to love.

Just my $0.02 of course. :)
Palmski 9th March 2011, 09:04 Quote
Don't think I'll be getting this one, which will be a first for me and Bioware. Sounds as though they are following a similar progression

KOTOR >>> ME >>> ME2 (IMO unplayably dumbed down from an RPG perspective)
BG >>> DAO >>> DA2 (???)

Three classes? Fail. Can't even choose your race? Fail. Can't customise equipment? Fail. Focus on sex & gore rather than story? Fail. I am disappoint.
yakyb 9th March 2011, 10:17 Quote
not entirely surprising the first game got very dull very quick
wiggles 9th March 2011, 10:33 Quote
It was pretty obvious from the scrolling demos what this game was
SproutWinkler 9th March 2011, 10:48 Quote
What a shame. Will await the obligatory "game of the year" edition incl all DLC for £14.99 or a Steam "sale". Time to dust off New Vegas and wait for Fable III PC.
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