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Crysis Was Terrible

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[USRF]Obiwan 14th June 2010, 10:45 Quote
Nice for showing of your PC capabilities to friends. Or use as a benchmarking tool that you could actually play.
LeMaltor 14th June 2010, 10:47 Quote
Are we so starved of things to write about you have to slate a 3 year old game? There's a big list if that's the road we are going down. Also it looks like they might cock up crysis 2, the aliens are back? the gfx will be limited by the consoles? I'd rather read about what you can find out about that.

To the people who haven't played it, try the demo.
Hustler 14th June 2010, 10:50 Quote
Is the jury still out on whether this game still runs crap on the latest hardware because:

A.It is a genuinely 'ahead of its time' gfx engine doing things that no other gfx engine has or can do even to this day.

B. It is a terribly optimised, badly coded game, that can and should run better on the hardware available.
Kris 14th June 2010, 10:53 Quote
the beginning of Crysis was fun, I still remember walking up to the beach in the very beginning, seeing the awsome sunset for the first time. Jawdropping, that's for sure :)
However, the longer you played, the crappier the game became, as you discovered more and more that the tactics which on paper look fantastic (stealth up to a guy, strength + throw, restealth), they were very difficult to accomplish due to the stupid energy system which you also mention in the review.
The alien part was just extremely boring. it was fun in the beginning, but got old very fast.

Farcry: was great until aliens, after which it became massively frustrating so it took me about a year to complete the game (vs about 6 months for crysis).

so crytek, get rid of the frustrating elements, + if you allow some great possibilities in action which are realistically not possible to be successfully used in the heat of battle, it just frustrates.

Like someone - cannot really remember who - said in one article: if you give a player a huge bomb, it will make the player feel cheated if you do not allow him to blow it up.
Nikols 14th June 2010, 10:54 Quote
Have to say these nostalgia atlrticles suffer from the same problems that crytek do... Arrogant in that the writer thinks he knows best.. Bioshock was unmissable?? That game is every bit as tedious as the aliens in crysis. Talk about repitition, a boring plot twist and feeling like having to grind through to the end! I don't need someone else to tell me what my opinion should be, I prefer to make my own mind up based on objective viewpoints
Da_Rude_Baboon 14th June 2010, 10:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by Silver51
So Far Cry 2 is Under appreciated, BioShock was Unmissable and Crysis Was Terrible? Uh, so I'm either suffering the effects of an early morning sugar crash or I've accidentally navigated my way to the Sun's homepage.

+1

The author has a very different opinion to what makes a a good game to me. Far Cry 2 was just simply awful and Bioshock was the most over hyped and disappointing game i have played in a long time. Crysis is all right depending on how you approach the game play but its way above the other two.
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Crysis was the epitome of style over substance. It thought it could get away with being an average game by looking pretty and shoving in a couple of gimmicks. Maybe it could just never live up to the hype and marketing that surrounded it.

I think the above paragraph from the article is a much more fitting description of Bioshock. Give Joe back the gaming section please.
Mankz 14th June 2010, 10:56 Quote
My Crysis experience...

First 15 mins... Oh damn this is cooooooool
Rest of game... Bleh. Average shooter with some mod cons..

I haven't played it since it first came out, but I all I remember is the STUPID ****** flying level and the lame ass ending.... a nuke? SERIOUSLY?
Hamish 14th June 2010, 10:57 Quote
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Originally Posted by Silver51
So Far Cry 2 is Underappreciated, BioShock was Unmissable and Crysis Was Terrible? Uh, so I'm either suffering the effects of an early morning sugar crash or I've accidentally navigated my way to the Sun's homepage.

I'm just going to say that I disagree with the article and leave it at that.

lol quite, i'd say i disagree emphatically with 2/3 of these 'retrospectives'

im curious, is this just an attempt to be controversial or do you genuinely believe that FC2 is underappreciated, BioShock unmissable and Crysis terrible?
Er-El 14th June 2010, 10:58 Quote
At least you can appreciate the essence of what makes Crysis' gameplay so great unlike most Crysis bashing that goes on. I've heard as bad as 'it's just far cry with better graphics', and 'crysis was all graphics no gameplay'.
I enjoyed the game immensely; but I do agree with some of your points to an extent. I thought it delivered on the sandbox gameplay using the nanosuit together with the open environment, dynamic AI and physics, though the suit could have done with some more juice to combine some more moves together. I also felt it had some of the most spectacular & epic setpieces that I've ever experienced as a gamer.

The graphics I thought even artistically were stunning. You had a range of different vistas, from the mountain collapsing, to the flying level (reminded me of Avatar, absolutely gorgeous), to the gradual transition from ice to ordinary jungle when you drive back from top of the mountain with Psycho.

Now the story could definitely have been a lot better narrated and the characters including Nomad neended a lot more development. Sure I can agree with that.
The only other thing I can agree with is that fighting the aliens was a little boring, but I don't agree that it was arrogant of Crytek to feature them in the expansion even more as the alien AI was improved a bit and were more fun to fight.
CardJoe 14th June 2010, 11:08 Quote
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Originally Posted by LeMaltor
Are we so starved of things to write about you have to slate a 3 year old game? There's a big list if that's the road we are going down. Also it looks like they might cock up crysis 2, the aliens are back? the gfx will be limited by the consoles? I'd rather read about what you can find out about that.

To the people who haven't played it, try the demo.

We wrote about that just the other week...

http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/pc/2010/06/03/crysis-2-preview/1
Nikols 14th June 2010, 11:09 Quote
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Originally Posted by Hamish
lol quite, i'd say i disagree emphatically with 2/3 of these 'retrospectives'

im curious, is this just an attempt to be controversial or do you genuinely believe that FC2 is underappreciated, BioShock unmissable and Crysis terrible?

I think that's what makes them so hard to read... Controversial for the sake of it! Is E3 not kicking off tomorrow, surely the rumour mill is buzzing!
lacuna 14th June 2010, 11:10 Quote
[QUOTE=Hamish]
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Originally Posted by Silver51


im curious, is this just an attempt to be controversial or do you genuinely believe that FC2 is underappreciated, BioShock unmissable and Crysis terrible?

I agree with those statements, I really enjoyed Bioshock and Farcry 2
Droniac 14th June 2010, 11:16 Quote
I fully expected Crysis to be a horribly mediocre game like its predecessor Far Cry when I played it at launch. So I was pleasantly surprised when I realised that it wasn't.

Okay, so the story wasn't exactly a gripping masterpiece and the final portion was an, actually rather enjoyable, on-rails shooter similar to Modern Warfare. Indeed, even the alien AI was better than your typical Modern Warfare baddy in Veteran mode.

And in terms of graphics Unreal Engine 3 and Source engine may have been churning out pretty pictures, but there is no denying the fact that they're absolutely nothing before the graphical splendor seen in Crysis and even more-so in Crysis: Warhead. It may come at a great cost, but that's what low and medium detail were for, which even most older PCs at launch could run very comfortably. Indeed, even Far Cry 2 is a far cry from what's on display in Crysis and it miraculously manages to conjur up even more monotonous scenery!

As for the gameplay: I liked it a lot. The enemy AI was overall fairly competent and there were always, with exception of the on-rails alien portion - many ways to resolve any given situation. It's true that the maps weren't exactly Operation Flashpoint open, but there were usually several paths to an objective and you could always opt to go in all guns blazing, long distance sniping or stealth. There aren't many shooters that provide even that much choice to the player.

So it may not have been as gripping as Half Life 2, nor as exciting as Unreal Tournament 3, but it was far from terrible. If you were all hyped up before release then I get that you were disappointed, but it was still easily one of the best shooters that year. Indeed it was a much better game than its direct competition: Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare and also nowhere near the monotonous disappointment that was Far Cry 2.
uz1_l0v3r 14th June 2010, 11:16 Quote
Oh no it wasn't.
CardJoe 14th June 2010, 11:22 Quote
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Originally Posted by Nikols
I think that's what makes them so hard to read... Controversial for the sake of it! Is E3 not kicking off tomorrow, surely the rumour mill is buzzing!

Not at all. Craig, AFAIK, believes what he's writing and I, albeit to a lesser extent, agree with him in retrospect on many points. Crysis was a bit pants. Bioshock had problems, but did other stuff very well. Far Cry 2 was mostly a bit shite, but also some stuff very nicely.

It's important to read the articles through. In the Far Cry 2 Was Underappreciated article, for example, Craig isn't saying that FC2 was perfect, merely that it did some bits very, very well and that people often overlook that because they like to hate on it for other reasons. Likewise, Craig doesn't claim Bioshock was perfect - he slates it for many of the same reasons the rest of you do - but he points out (rightly) that it had some very important, early strengths that hardcore gamers should be familiar with.

There's a difference between something being controversial and something just having a different opinion to you. The title is definitely a bit provocative, but the content is no more controversial than some of the posts here arguing that Crysis was a brilliant game.
impar 14th June 2010, 11:27 Quote
Greetings!

Have to disagree.
Crysis was not terrible.
Nature 14th June 2010, 11:33 Quote
Many say the same about Half-Life 2 and 1, and the episodic content that followed
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2007/09/26/valve_may_reconsider_episodic_games/1
http://www.bit-tech.net/columns/2007/06/23/in_support_of_episodes/comments

I wonder if you, the people at Bit-tech try spending some time developing your own ideas (together) about games since you have been on the receiving end of the gaming industry for so long. You guys also must have connections like the "how I got my job at Nvidia" article and so on.

We long time readers would be thrilled especialy since your taste for games is bohemian, the cream of the crop, and deep. Especially since you're also English/Brittish and you do articles about good games coming from the queen's beans.
http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/pc/2010/04/07/the-best-uk-games-ever/1
Nikols 14th June 2010, 11:57 Quote
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Originally Posted by CardJoe
Not at all. Craig, AFAIK, believes what he's writing and I, albeit to a lesser extent, agree with him in retrospect on many points. Crysis was a bit pants. Bioshock had problems, but did other stuff very well. Far Cry 2 was mostly a bit shite, but also some stuff very nicely.

It's important to read the articles through. In the Far Cry 2 Was Underappreciated article, for example, Craig isn't saying that FC2 was perfect, merely that it did some bits very, very well and that people often overlook that because they like to hate on it for other reasons. Likewise, Craig doesn't claim Bioshock was perfect - he slates it for many of the same reasons the rest of you do - but he points out (rightly) that it had some very important, early strengths that hardcore gamers should be familiar with.

There's a difference between something being controversial and something just having a different opinion to you. The title is definitely a bit provocative, but the content is no more controversial than some of the posts here arguing that Crysis was a brilliant game.

cheers for the response Joe... I think that the fact that this game has been argued out at nauseum over the past few weeks in the forum ment that the topic was well documented. Then for an article to appear that is excessively anti crysis just seems like old news and maybe a missed opportunity to look at the forum posts and come up with something that poked fun at both sides! I can't comment on the farcry article as I haven't read it or played the game, but I did read both bioshock and cyrsis articles fully and play both games. I found both articles to be written from a very narrow slant, yes bioshocks faults were touched on and so were slight redeeming factors of cyrsis but on the whole both articles take an opinionated stance on their given subject that almost insults the inteligence of the reader. Hence my derision. Craig I'm sure you'll come out with what I'll consider some cracking articles in time to come, just not so far with this series
mrbens 14th June 2010, 11:58 Quote
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As soon as someone declares that they have built a game that “isn't for the current hardware generation" warning lights should go on. What does it even mean? Is the game not ready or should we just wait three years before playing it?

Yes, that's exactly what I did! I wanted to wait until I could enjoy it on max graphics settings.

I played thru it a couple of months ago on my new machine and really enjoyed it until the alien section at the end. Then it became a chore.
Spuzzell 14th June 2010, 12:01 Quote
I've never disagreed so much with an article on BT before.

Crysis hasn't been uninstalled for more than a month since I first bought it years ago. It's the go-to title for showing friends who own consoles how to properly play a properly HD game, and I still play it and Warhead fairly often. Luring 10 soldiers into a hut and then knocking the walls out so the roof falls on them never gets old.

Crysis is a lot better than Far Cry 2 in my opinion. I'm actually playing through Far Cry 2 for the first time at the moment, and really, it's just not that good. The ridiculous enemy respawn on the checkpoints really pisses me off, and it's just nowhere near as solid and consistent a game as Crysis.

I seem to be alone in not hating the Trigens from Far Cry by the way. The mission where you're dropped in a Tri-gen infested forest with no bullets and have to make your way down a river at night with them all around you was brilliant, I'll never forget that.
Fizzban 14th June 2010, 12:03 Quote
Crysis was an extremely pretty but largely standard game. It was fairly enjoyable to play, but it will never make it into my favourites list. I think to call the game terrible is unfair. But it was hardly brilliant either.
Nowell @ CCL 14th June 2010, 12:11 Quote
Crysis story was pants but the visuals, re-playability & the attitude of do what you want and go where you want was epic. The AI tbh were rubbish, even on high settings, they were daft as a plank. The way i got through this is went onto crymod.com and downloaded someone's custom config which made the AI incredibly fast at reactions and much more stealthy, they actually worked as a team to sniff out the enemy and then pounce on you. This changed the whole game experience for me.

I wouldn't say Crysis/Warhead was a terrible game, it had it's flaws but was far better than some of the rubbish that comes out these days!
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I seem to be alone in not hating the Trigens from Far Cry by the way. The mission where you're dropped in a Tri-gen infested forest with no bullets and have to make your way down a river at night with them all around you was brilliant, I'll never forget that.

Not at all, that was one of the best parts in the game... i used to wait up on the waterfall chucking stones down trying to lure the Trigens away so i could slowly sneak past them. That's what i like about Crysis... stealth!
Jipa 14th June 2010, 12:16 Quote
Crysis was an empty-shelled tech demo.

It took me a couple of hours, not three years, to figure that out. Should I start reviewing games?
NuTech 14th June 2010, 12:51 Quote
Hang on, what? Crysis was a game? For the last 3 years I've always thought it was an interactive tech demo.

But seriously I find it very ironic how, in retrospect, Crysis did more damage to the PC gaming industry than good. It caused PC exclusive budgets to be reconsidered. It questioned the logic of making PC games so visually brilliant that they become unobtainable to most PC gamers.

And worst of all, it asked the question: is it financially viable making AAA PC exclusives any more?
Sifter3000 14th June 2010, 12:52 Quote
I am with Joe that this article isn't just flamebait. It is a well argued piece, and Craig believes what he says.

Doesn't stop him being wrong, of course. BioShock is dull and boring, and Crysis was (and is) excellent. Fundamentally, he misunderstands the game - to complain about the story in Crysis is like commenting on the quality of the dialogue in Commando. You're missing the point.

Nobody complains about the story, setting or pacing of a game like Forza or Gran Turismo. They're simulations of an experience, and it's expected that all a simulation needs to do to be successful is to recreate, as truthfully and accurately as possible the experience they model. Crysis is a simulation - not of driving, but of destruction, specifically, the destruction of action movies. Once you understand this - that the point of the ludicrously over engineered graphics and detailed physics model is to represent blowing things up, the games makes a lot more sense. Everything in Crysis exists to create the opportunity for destruction. It's up to the player to want to enjoy the experience, just as it's up to the player in Forza to want to drive fast and win.
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