Pretty good list! I especially agree with vice city being the GTA pick of the bunch. Slightly too many valve games.... you had HL2, L4D, CS:S, and even garrys mod... on a list of just 30.
Personally I would have included:
The longest journey (better than grim fandango IMO,
CM 01/02
morrowind
Originally Posted by karx11erx C&C is such a crap. You forgot Total Annihilation or Supreme Commander. Or were these to complex for you? :P
QFT
Two of the finest and most groundbreaking games in the RTS genre. CnC? Meh. The only one I kind of liked was Generals. Tiberium Wars was OK.
In fact, I'm now tempted to dig out TA again and give it another blast. It was one of the first PC games I fell in love with and became addicted to in my younger years, and was my gateway into the RTS genre (although since then I don't think any other game has really matched its epicness). Ahh, the memories....
Blame valve for making to many excellent games,
I havent played half of them games but i would of made 1 change.
Red alert 2 to red alert 1. Yes sure red alert 1 had extremely limited multiplayer but
single player campaign was excellent, it doesnt have that silly immature feel to it.
CoD4 didn't really bring anything great to the table, it's whole content had been done before. I agree, it should be added to that list, that lame designated 1 shot kill stab button is something everyone should painfully experience at least once, really puts a lot of people off.
It's always especially satisfying when they publish something of mine about computer games and technology - each occasion feels like a small cultural victory!
An interesting list, this, and while I think it misses some of my favourites, your reasoning is pretty good for why your choices are some of the finest in their respective genres.
The more I think about Bloodlines the more convinced I become that it should be placed in a category all by itself. Writing, characterisation, humour, mature themes, level design, fluid skill system. In common with Deus Ex, Morrowind and Portal, at worst it shows a path I wish game designers would follow and improve upon, at best it is beyond compare.
I feel it my duty to mention the always overlooked but worthy of recommendation first in the VTM series, Redemption. At heart the story is cheese and I mean cheese with extra cheese a cheese topping and a side order of cheese. It lacks the horror, humour and adult aspects of Bloodlines but compensates with a more complete set of skills, equally good characterisation, more variation and on the whole is a more polished game.
Morrowind. Many hate the game, fair enough, but if the penny drops and you are able to throw the little switch in your head you'll find a game that redefines the term sandbox, exposing the imposter in almost every other game that makes the claim.
I loved Red Alert 2 but around that time I spent many more hours on Dark Reign and Warzone 2100. Dark Reign has a good story and some interesting units, Warzone has the best tech. tree I've ever seen.
Finally the most haunting game I've ever played, one which will live with me to the day I die. Dreamfall: The Longest Jorney. I miss Zoe so much that even now when I think of her I hurt a little inside.
"Seamlessly tied in to Valveâs Steam service, Left 4 Dead ..."
LOL @ that! Left 4 Dead is ace but is plenty glitchy regarding steam logons and dodgy servers. Maybe not steams fault per se but it doesnt make steam look too good when finding a good server that hasnt somehow switched to versus mode takes quite a while and achievements get wiped or never recorded in the first place. Done all campaigns on expert at least a dozen times each and it still says only 3 out of 4 are done. Love the actual game to pieces though.
Good list, although homeworld seems to be missing?
Hmmmm
First, mirror's edge is an ok game at most...
God Joe, you really disapoint me. How could you forget to mention the game that influenced MANY RPGs up to now? The ultima series? What About the Ultima Underworlds?
Another word is that the early "space shps shoot 'em up" games Like Nemesis, Xevious, Zanac, Parodious, etc. were totally forgotten. They made history back in 80's you know? If you really need to ellect one, try "Thunder Force III"
Metal Gear were forgotten too? What about splinter cell?
The Immortal, from sega genesis.
I would swap Diablo II for Diablo I. One of the most fun games i ever played! And quite innovative by that time too.
RTS like, i would swap C&C2 for Dune 2. The first ever RTS! There was some really nice ones, like Dark Reign, kingdom under fire, Total Anihilation...
There was once a game called "T-rex". A black and white game back in the Sinclair old days, but the first really shocking game with FPS like feel was "Episod IV". That game used to give me shivers. You were trapped in a minos like maze trying to scape runing away from a monster. I was the first ever to feature day/night. And there was the sound... I looked like a mechanical heartbeat that accelerates when the monster was near. Some times you were even afraid to look back...http://www.generation-msx.nl/msxdb/softwareinfo/99
Thank god you didn't put FO3 in that list!
Haven't played Vampire Blood Lines...
I am sure i will remember TONS of other games. Please forgive me for my failing memory. Not you readers! The games I say!
EDIT: I knew i would remember some other games! First one is "Out of this world" wich recently made a ten year revamp of it. A MUST SEE! And them there was the games claimed as being continuations of it, but they weren't. GREAT games nonetheless: "Flash Back" and "fade to black"
FF7 is the best game i ever played, but it still shouldn't be on this list, since it sucks on PC.
I will use this list as a reference for my upcoming gaming weeks/months. Very good article guys. the only game that seems to slip completely under the radar, and would make a great addition to this list is KOTOR.
Syndicate - there still isn't really anything like it
Total Annihilation - I love the C&C games, but TA's gameplay is on another level, especially with all the downloadable units
Max Payne 2 - mainly because he's bound to hunt you down for not putting him on your list
SW: KOTOR - "Do you think they can stop Revan?" "No, you fool! But they might just slow him down." - for the greatest feeling of power and ability to inspire fear in my enemy
I don't know what joe martins been smoking but I sure wouldn't waste the last 30 days of life playing his recomendations there might be 5
games on that list I would consider!!
Originally Posted by pimlicosound Games I would add to the list:
Syndicate - there still isn't really anything like it
Max Payne 2 - mainly because he's bound to hunt you down for not putting him on your list
Geez!!! how could I forget those??
Syndicate and Syndicate wars was two of the besta games i ever played too.
Max Payne is a classic. A well told story, and the first game to use bullet time. A really great idea.
Although i am sure Joe won't agree, "Jericho" was a great game too. Really nice design, and its "ghost bullet" was one of the greates ideas since "bullet time". The really BIG problem with that game is its linear stages. But i can't wait to see a sequel...
First off, this is a PC list - and many of those games you mention are ideally played on a console, tbh. When it comes to stealth games too, Thief and Hitman are worth far more than Splinter Cell and Metal Gear IMHO. As for The Immortal - I've played it and...m'eh.
Don't even get me started on Out of This World. It's by no means a bad game, but if you only had 30 games then that would be no where near the list. Flashback is OK, but fiddly and Fade to Black was just awful.
That said, there were a lot of games that we wanted to add to the list that we didn't have room to - Syndicate was one, but so were all the Bullfrog games. DUNGEON KEEPER! There was the Gabriel Knight games too, and we wanted Realms of the Haunting or Phantasmorgia to show off the lunacy of FMV games too. In the end though, this isn't Pokemon. You can't catch them all. We wanted a balance of truly quality games and games which show off a particular idea or mechanic very well too, which is why Dwarf Fortress and Postal 2 went in, as well as being a major factor for Mirror's Edge. It's also why Monkey Island got culled - it was good, but it wasn't revolutionary because it was one of a large number of 2D point and clicks at the time. Grim Fandango was just as good, but one of the first 3D adventures (among other reasons). Thus, it went in. We also wanted to add Baldur's Gate 2, Fallout, etc.
Also, Max Payne wasn't the first game to use bullet time. That honour goes out to Requiem: Avenging Angel, IIRC.
my best game was BF2 was an good game the squad based spawn system was good, the death of the game for the most part was the dreaded EA 1.3 patch Noobed the servers (server would only stay up for 1-2 hrs so user base of 40000 players when to 5000 or less in 1 patch) thay never fixed it even when the beta for 2142 was out as it had the same problem (still does crash intermitantly) (why ea allways F up when 1.3 patch comes i do not know why) thay made 1.4 patch 6-8 months later but was hard to find any SF servers then (the server crashing issues should of been fixed Right away even in QA it should of been picked up)
I would have put Descent on the list. I recently played through the first one again and it is quite seriously one of the best FPS games ever. No other game in recent times has made me jump and cry out quite as much. In fact its the only game I can think of where I have yelled in terror while playing. There is just something about flying around a corner to come face to face with some of the more dangerous foes.
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ReplyPersonally I would have included:
The longest journey (better than grim fandango IMO,
CM 01/02
morrowind
QFT
Two of the finest and most groundbreaking games in the RTS genre. CnC? Meh. The only one I kind of liked was Generals. Tiberium Wars was OK.
In fact, I'm now tempted to dig out TA again and give it another blast. It was one of the first PC games I fell in love with and became addicted to in my younger years, and was my gateway into the RTS genre (although since then I don't think any other game has really matched its epicness). Ahh, the memories....
I havent played half of them games but i would of made 1 change.
Red alert 2 to red alert 1. Yes sure red alert 1 had extremely limited multiplayer but
single player campaign was excellent, it doesnt have that silly immature feel to it.
Deus Ex
Grim Fandango
are three that stick out for me and bring back great memories along with
Castle Wolfenstein
Colin Mcrae 2
Red Faction
Project IGI
Soldier of Fortune
Orange Box Mk II? Please say your making that up
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/5173059/Britain-risks-failing-to-exploit-technology-for-bigger-longer-running-electric-cars.html
It's always especially satisfying when they publish something of mine about computer games and technology - each occasion feels like a small cultural victory!
An interesting list, this, and while I think it misses some of my favourites, your reasoning is pretty good for why your choices are some of the finest in their respective genres.
its not a pc game.
I feel it my duty to mention the always overlooked but worthy of recommendation first in the VTM series, Redemption. At heart the story is cheese and I mean cheese with extra cheese a cheese topping and a side order of cheese. It lacks the horror, humour and adult aspects of Bloodlines but compensates with a more complete set of skills, equally good characterisation, more variation and on the whole is a more polished game.
Morrowind. Many hate the game, fair enough, but if the penny drops and you are able to throw the little switch in your head you'll find a game that redefines the term sandbox, exposing the imposter in almost every other game that makes the claim.
I loved Red Alert 2 but around that time I spent many more hours on Dark Reign and Warzone 2100. Dark Reign has a good story and some interesting units, Warzone has the best tech. tree I've ever seen.
Finally the most haunting game I've ever played, one which will live with me to the day I die. Dreamfall: The Longest Jorney. I miss Zoe so much that even now when I think of her I hurt a little inside.
LOL @ that! Left 4 Dead is ace but is plenty glitchy regarding steam logons and dodgy servers. Maybe not steams fault per se but it doesnt make steam look too good when finding a good server that hasnt somehow switched to versus mode takes quite a while and achievements get wiped or never recorded in the first place. Done all campaigns on expert at least a dozen times each and it still says only 3 out of 4 are done. Love the actual game to pieces though.
Good list, although homeworld seems to be missing?
First, mirror's edge is an ok game at most...
God Joe, you really disapoint me. How could you forget to mention the game that influenced MANY RPGs up to now? The ultima series? What About the Ultima Underworlds?
Another word is that the early "space shps shoot 'em up" games Like Nemesis, Xevious, Zanac, Parodious, etc. were totally forgotten. They made history back in 80's you know? If you really need to ellect one, try "Thunder Force III"
Metal Gear were forgotten too? What about splinter cell?
The Immortal, from sega genesis.
I would swap Diablo II for Diablo I. One of the most fun games i ever played! And quite innovative by that time too.
RTS like, i would swap C&C2 for Dune 2. The first ever RTS! There was some really nice ones, like Dark Reign, kingdom under fire, Total Anihilation...
There was once a game called "T-rex". A black and white game back in the Sinclair old days, but the first really shocking game with FPS like feel was "Episod IV". That game used to give me shivers. You were trapped in a minos like maze trying to scape runing away from a monster. I was the first ever to feature day/night. And there was the sound... I looked like a mechanical heartbeat that accelerates when the monster was near. Some times you were even afraid to look back...http://www.generation-msx.nl/msxdb/softwareinfo/99
Thank god you didn't put FO3 in that list!
Haven't played Vampire Blood Lines...
I am sure i will remember TONS of other games. Please forgive me for my failing memory. Not you readers! The games I say!
EDIT: I knew i would remember some other games! First one is "Out of this world" wich recently made a ten year revamp of it. A MUST SEE! And them there was the games claimed as being continuations of it, but they weren't. GREAT games nonetheless: "Flash Back" and "fade to black"
Only one change CS 1.6 > CS:Source
I will use this list as a reference for my upcoming gaming weeks/months. Very good article guys. the only game that seems to slip completely under the radar, and would make a great addition to this list is KOTOR.
Syndicate - there still isn't really anything like it
Total Annihilation - I love the C&C games, but TA's gameplay is on another level, especially with all the downloadable units
Max Payne 2 - mainly because he's bound to hunt you down for not putting him on your list
SW: KOTOR - "Do you think they can stop Revan?" "No, you fool! But they might just slow him down." - for the greatest feeling of power and ability to inspire fear in my enemy
i completly forgot about syndicate
games on that list I would consider!!
Geez!!! how could I forget those??
Syndicate and Syndicate wars was two of the besta games i ever played too.
Max Payne is a classic. A well told story, and the first game to use bullet time. A really great idea.
Although i am sure Joe won't agree, "Jericho" was a great game too. Really nice design, and its "ghost bullet" was one of the greates ideas since "bullet time". The really BIG problem with that game is its linear stages. But i can't wait to see a sequel...
First off, this is a PC list - and many of those games you mention are ideally played on a console, tbh. When it comes to stealth games too, Thief and Hitman are worth far more than Splinter Cell and Metal Gear IMHO. As for The Immortal - I've played it and...m'eh.
Don't even get me started on Out of This World. It's by no means a bad game, but if you only had 30 games then that would be no where near the list. Flashback is OK, but fiddly and Fade to Black was just awful.
That said, there were a lot of games that we wanted to add to the list that we didn't have room to - Syndicate was one, but so were all the Bullfrog games. DUNGEON KEEPER! There was the Gabriel Knight games too, and we wanted Realms of the Haunting or Phantasmorgia to show off the lunacy of FMV games too. In the end though, this isn't Pokemon. You can't catch them all. We wanted a balance of truly quality games and games which show off a particular idea or mechanic very well too, which is why Dwarf Fortress and Postal 2 went in, as well as being a major factor for Mirror's Edge. It's also why Monkey Island got culled - it was good, but it wasn't revolutionary because it was one of a large number of 2D point and clicks at the time. Grim Fandango was just as good, but one of the first 3D adventures (among other reasons). Thus, it went in. We also wanted to add Baldur's Gate 2, Fallout, etc.
Also, Max Payne wasn't the first game to use bullet time. That honour goes out to Requiem: Avenging Angel, IIRC.
my best game was BF2 was an good game the squad based spawn system was good, the death of the game for the most part was the dreaded EA 1.3 patch Noobed the servers (server would only stay up for 1-2 hrs so user base of 40000 players when to 5000 or less in 1 patch) thay never fixed it even when the beta for 2142 was out as it had the same problem (still does crash intermitantly) (why ea allways F up when 1.3 patch comes i do not know why) thay made 1.4 patch 6-8 months later but was hard to find any SF servers then (the server crashing issues should of been fixed Right away even in QA it should of been picked up)
It's okay though, I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea
Fantastic to see Dwarf Fortress on the list. From the guys that made WWI Medic if I remember rightly.
Eve Online = win!
u forgot: MDK, FF8, and Splinter Cell series.
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