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Amon 7th December 2007, 07:47 Quote
How come no video of the device in action?

Out of curiosity, I wonder how this thing would work in something like Flight Simulator.
Copiedright 7th December 2007, 08:20 Quote
This would be perfect for the Black and White games!
dom_ 7th December 2007, 08:43 Quote
I think playboy need to work with them.
DougEdey 7th December 2007, 08:44 Quote
Would be nice to see what the demo looked like.

But I agree with Joe, $239 is a lot of money for something so specialised. Does it have integration into 3D design applications?
Fod 7th December 2007, 08:50 Quote
hate to be pedantic, but it's just three axes if you can't twist. (although it looks at least partially twistable around the x and y axes, in which case it's 5-axis). I wrote my dissertation on 3d interface design and my supervisor was always bashing me about using 1-to-6-DOF (degrees of freedom, or axes) correctly when writing a taxonomy of input devices. (yes you can get 1-dof devices, the analog triggers on the x360 pads are examples of that)

the 6 from 6-axis (or DOF; they're pretty much interchangeable terms but axis is friendlier) comes from the fact that you can translate in X,Y,Z as well as rotate around X,Y,Z.

also! played with a much, much larger version of this device (although there were two of them and more geared around brute force interaction like picking heavy objects up - it could give a 200N force so it had some kick!) at uni - haptics are FUN. VERY FUN.
Jamie 7th December 2007, 08:53 Quote
It would only be 4 axis if the nipple twisted since it would be rotating about the Z axis.
Sea Shadow 7th December 2007, 08:53 Quote
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Originally Posted by Copiedright
This would be perfect for the Black and White games!
I second that!

All in all it looks pretty neat but I don't think I could justify the money for it.

BTW: from your description, it sounds like it moves on 3 axes not 6.
EDIT: Doh Fod beat me to it.
CardJoe 7th December 2007, 09:05 Quote
Alright, smartarses - I've corrected the article to say three axes. My bad. :P
DarkLord7854 7th December 2007, 10:18 Quote
I wanna see a vid :p

It's pretty expensive =\
Fod 7th December 2007, 10:27 Quote
DarkLord: expensive? the devices i used at uni cost 100,000 euros! this is a bloody bargain!
DarkLord7854 7th December 2007, 10:30 Quote
Well looking at it from the point of view of support versus use, it's expensive yes. The fact you can't twist it is a real bummer though. If there was an app that came with it, to sorta build your own mods for *most* games, then that would be pretty darn cool.
sub routine 7th December 2007, 10:35 Quote
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Originally Posted by dom_
I think playboy need to work with them.
ningk ningk..wibble wibble
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Originally Posted by Jamie
It would only be 4 axis if the nipple twisted since it would be rotating about the Z axis.
fnar fnar.
yakyb 7th December 2007, 10:46 Quote
hmm i can actually see this becoming popular

with the success of the Wii many people will be looking at the new form of interface

out of interest is it availible in the uk
TomD22 7th December 2007, 10:50 Quote
Leaving aside the force feeback (which does sound cool...)


It's a joystick. Only, instead of sticking upward from the base/desk, it sticks forward from the base/desk, presumably making it hugely uncomfortable to hold....
Fod 7th December 2007, 10:52 Quote
nope. joysticks are 2-DOF.

some joysticks can be partially twisted left and right aroudn the z-axis, in which case technically they are 3-DOF, but you still don't have the z translation this device offers.
CardJoe 7th December 2007, 10:53 Quote
Not our vid, but good enough:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IKYDkDPres
Arkanrais 7th December 2007, 11:18 Quote
Quote:
I think playboy need to work with them.
damn, beat to the chase. I can only imagine what the pr0n industry could do with this piece of kit (or even a moded version of it) if they teamed up with some decent game designers. its a hell of a funny prospect but an almost serious one.

(pulls mind out of the gutter) I wonder what advantages (or fun) there would be for having 2 of these in use at the same time (with the appropriate drivers, of course)
Darkedge 7th December 2007, 11:39 Quote
System Shock 2 is better of course.

Anyway... I want one.
steveo_mcg 7th December 2007, 12:10 Quote
Thats fooking cool.... But i agree with darklord its a bit expensive as a games controller, even compared to the 100k fod mentions, its still a games controller. If you could use all your games out the box it might be nearly worth it. Can just see every one in tf2 playing pyro to save there arms from the recoil, sniping would require even more skill since the device would be actively pulling your arm downwards and swaying not just your visiual changing.
DarkLord7854 7th December 2007, 12:14 Quote
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Originally Posted by steveo_mcg
Thats fooking cool.... But i agree with darklord its a bit expensive as a games controller, even compared to the 100k fod mentions, its still a games controller. If you could use all your games out the box it might be nearly worth it. Can just see every one in tf2 playing pyro to save there arms from the recoil, sniping would require even more skill since the device would be actively pulling your arm downwards and swaying not just your visiual changing.

Imagine holding a minigun or a .50 cal sniper rifle
steveo_mcg 7th December 2007, 12:47 Quote
ouchy!
Zurechial 7th December 2007, 13:07 Quote
System Shock 2. None of that happy-go-lucky 'following fairies around a big tree' crap.

Ok, it's not crap, Ocarina of Time is actually also an excellent game, but c'mon..
Redbeaver 7th December 2007, 14:19 Quote
my response to the article: my sentiments exactly.

it looks bloody cool! but for that price, its a bit hard to justify..... altho, if sometime in the future, this gadget becomes as popular as other "extreme gamer" hardware (namely razer mouse/keyboard or logitech's high-end $100+ peripherals), then i'll probably pick it up.
TheoGeo 7th December 2007, 14:39 Quote
I must say, i'm quite surprised to see this available commercially, its an advanced haptic device. I've had a play with some more expensive, larger versions of this, that were in development to be used for training surgeons without the need for an actual patient, the ones i used did have rotational feedback as well though. It is actually quite a simple concept, the problem is that it becomes a lot more technically difficult when you realise that you're actually applying a torque an not simply moving the arms, this means you can't use a normal electric motor and instead need a pretty good stepper motor and some rather expensive control systems for it. I'd love to have a play with one of these and get to grips with how it works.
LeMaltor 7th December 2007, 14:55 Quote
Looks really uncomfortable if you just hold it with your fingers, no wrist support >_<
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