Wrong. I just confirmed it myself that this does not work.
I had it installed on my laptop and PC, then tried to install it on my brothers PC. Of course this didn't work since only 2 installations are allowed. So, I uninstalled it on my PC and tried to activate it again on my brother's PC. Same error. No more activations. Now I only have one installation and can never install it again on a different system. Great.
Personally for me the lock on 2 installations on Bioshock wont mater to me I'll install it play it finish it, never touch it again uninstall it at some point then itll sit in a box somewhere never to be seen again. But I can see why it can cause issues and tbh aint exactly a great system penalising people although cant see it affecting alot of people who'll play the game casually once and never touch it.
But looking forward to the game alot just got my collecters edition put on hold for pick up tomorrow have to find somewhere for my big daddy near my little counter-strike figures.
I'm personally going to wait and see with the game. I play games to death over a number of years and so this will really mess me up. I've uninstalled and reinstalled games like Deus Ex, which is very similar to BioShock more than 20 times over the years. I'm going to give it two weeks to calm down and a patch to come out, then I'll either buy a 360 (which I need to do anyway) or grab it on Steam and just keep it installed.
It's a pain in the arse and a major, MAJOR falling point for the game - but its also needed. Bindi and I looked at one torrent online yesterday before this all hit the news and there were more than 13,900 people downloading the full game from a single site. Times that by £25-£40 quid and thats how much money the game lost out on in the first day, from one single torrent alone. This stuff needs to be stopped.
I've no problem with people downloading a game like Madden, which is essentially the same as every other game in the series and is deriative and crap - but I do have a problem when it effects a beautiful, deep and hugely polished game like BioShock. This is the type of game which doesn't come along very often and therefore needs to be massively encouraged for it to thrive and be repeated. Exploiting it this way is unacceptable in my eyes.
I've no problem with people downloading a game like Madden, which is essentially the same as every other game in the series and is deriative and crap - but I do have a problem when it effects a beautiful, deep and hugely polished game like BioShock. This is the type of game which doesn't come along very often and therefore needs to be massively encouraged for it to thrive and be repeated. Exploiting it this way is unacceptable in my eyes.
simultaneous worldwide release and no ridiculous copy protection and you can gurantee they'd have had a hell of a lot more sales
newslash: ****ing over your customers doesnt give them much incentive to pay you
theres a near 40 page thread on the 2k forums now about this and near every other post is someone saying they've cancelled their pre-order/intention to buy/returned the game because of this nonsense
at this point i think i'd pirate it even if i didnt have a machine that could run it just on principle
Originally Posted by CardJoe I'm personally going to wait and see with the game. I play games to death over a number of years and so this will really mess me up. I've uninstalled and reinstalled games like Deus Ex, which is very similar to BioShock more than 20 times over the years. I'm going to give it two weeks to calm down and a patch to come out, then I'll either buy a 360 (which I need to do anyway) or grab it on Steam and just keep it installed.
It's a pain in the arse and a major, MAJOR falling point for the game - but its also needed. Bindi and I looked at one torrent online yesterday before this all hit the news and there were more than 13,900 people downloading the full game from a single site. Times that by £25-£40 quid and thats how much money the game lost out on in the first day, from one single torrent alone. This stuff needs to be stopped.
I've no problem with people downloading a game like Madden, which is essentially the same as every other game in the series and is deriative and crap - but I do have a problem when it effects a beautiful, deep and hugely polished game like BioShock. This is the type of game which doesn't come along very often and therefore needs to be massively encouraged for it to thrive and be repeated. Exploiting it this way is unacceptable in my eyes.
Don't worry, Tim is making up for the loss in sales all by himself. I could have stolen the review sample but I've also bought it ;)
Yeah, I'm not happy about it either. But I've bought it nevertheless. And like Joe, I'm hoping that they will patch it before long so that it's a bit more reasonable.
Unfortunately, I borked my mobo this week, so I'm going to be without it for a few weeks while it gets RMA'd. I thought about buying a cheapo replacement to cover the gap, but I realised it's a false economy - with some much software tied into the mobo, I can't face the aggro of getting every package re-authenticated and again when my replacement mobo comes back.
I might install it on my older PC but I'll live in fear as to whether it will let me install it on my main system when it's back up and running.
Yep, stuck at autopatching. The worst thing is that if you cancel the activation it dumps the entire install. This time i have left it open, and just keep clicking the auto-patcher key in the hope it will connect.
Great review, however I for one won't be purchasing this game until the ridiculous activation rubbish is removed (which seemingly could be never, what a pity). Looking forward to part 2 :).
after having played it (partially) it looks to me like a well done game....
graphics are great, the atmosphere is simply amazing, the cutscenes are great too, the story is well done and dont even get me started about the sound...
all install limit crap aside...
the actual game is the best action game ever in my opinion....
some people might be a bit disapointed by the focus on action though... but thats down to personal preference.
Tbh, I havn't played it but I disagree with the 10/10 score. I've never been a fan of out of 10 scores, rather I think percentages allow much more leeway. A 10/10 score says "This game is as good as it gets, nothing can be better". Unless you're re-evaluating every previous review done with each new review, then that system doesn't work.
IMO the highest a game should ever get is 99%, as nothing is truly perfect. Despite how hysterical we might get over it at the time.
Mine doesnt work now, worked all yesterday, today I get a securom error whenever I start, I reluctantly uninstalled and reinstalled but I still get the same error, now im stuck because ive installed it twice, this has ruined my bank holiday weekend, Bioshock is a POS ;(
Originally Posted by specofdust Tbh, I havn't played it but I disagree with the 10/10 score. I've never been a fan of out of 10 scores, rather I think percentages allow much more leeway. A 10/10 score says "This game is as good as it gets, nothing can be better". Unless you're re-evaluating every previous review done with each new review, then that system doesn't work.
IMO the highest a game should ever get is 99%, as nothing is truly perfect. Despite how hysterical we might get over it at the time.
I partially agree. You make a point in that games' initial feedback are often overpowering and influence the rating too much. However, at the same time, we can't make a game that's impervious to time: one that would be the best, forever. Something I give 10/10 to would be Half-Life and Quake 3 Arena because both games were incredibly fun to play, have extensively supported the modding community, and have certainly stood the test of time--but they aren't games that are undefeatable, so I negate that prospect when judging a game.
Well yes, I agree that not everything will be uber forever. But you can still say "that deserved 95% at the time, even though it's been outdone by later games" as opposed to saying later "that wasn't nearly as good as I thought it was at the time, but I got caught up in the hysteria".
Let's face it, with killer graphics and an interesting storyline we can be tempted to say "this is the best game evar". A good critic should remain objective and balanced, and point out the faults in everything (there are faults in everything, nothing is perfect). To give a perfect score is to say that nothing can eclipse something, and to say that is to imply perfection.
It's maybe an almost philosophical point, but it's one that I think is reasonably important to a rating system.
Started playing today, the opening with the plane crash is very spooky, and the entrance to the tower even more so (didn't play the demo). Just got incinerate and my first tonic, loving the game so far, very creepy.
Originally Posted by specofdust Well yes, I agree that not everything will be uber forever. But you can still say "that deserved 95% at the time, even though it's been outdone by later games" as opposed to saying later "that wasn't nearly as good as I thought it was at the time, but I got caught up in the hysteria".
Let's face it, with killer graphics and an interesting storyline we can be tempted to say "this is the best game evar". A good critic should remain objective and balanced, and point out the faults in everything (there are faults in everything, nothing is perfect). To give a perfect score is to say that nothing can eclipse something, and to say that is to imply perfection.
It's maybe an almost philosophical point, but it's one that I think is reasonably important to a rating system.
This is actually all narrowed down in a score legend I wrote in the aftermath of the Spiderman 3 review, but which Tim hasn't seen fit to publish.
From the legend: "In a game, a score this high is one which has bowled us over with depth and gameplay and which we consider to have classic status. If you dont own this game you definitely should and even non-gamers should consider picking this game up as it surely deserves a place in any game library."
BioShock is an instant classic and looks set to stay that way - though probably a lesser known classic, like Deus Ex or System Shock 2 - which it is similar too. It is an incredible game, which Tim rang me up at home to talk about today after he reached a certain bit I bullied him into reaching this afternoon. I really can't describe how awesome it is - unfortunately, a lot of people don't see how great it is because want to argue or because they don't play all the crap games out there like I have too.
Ten out of ten is a perfect score, but it doesn't indicate a perfect game because there is no such thing. The review actually discusses a few of the games flaws, so I know it isn't perfect. A score of ten is merely a recognition of achievement, not a seal of a 'perfect' game.
I'm curious to know if anyone here has read Atlas Shrugged before playing the game, and if so, what they thought of the games take on that ideal. From what I've played it seems a fairly firm pronouncement that a Gulch (be it Galt's or Ryan's) cannot work, but I am curious if there's more to it than this.
Oh and CardJoe, prove you're a real Bioshock fan, read the 1100 page book that inspired massive parts of it :D
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ReplyBut looking forward to the game alot just got my collecters edition put on hold for pick up tomorrow have to find somewhere for my big daddy near my little counter-strike figures.
It's a pain in the arse and a major, MAJOR falling point for the game - but its also needed. Bindi and I looked at one torrent online yesterday before this all hit the news and there were more than 13,900 people downloading the full game from a single site. Times that by £25-£40 quid and thats how much money the game lost out on in the first day, from one single torrent alone. This stuff needs to be stopped.
I've no problem with people downloading a game like Madden, which is essentially the same as every other game in the series and is deriative and crap - but I do have a problem when it effects a beautiful, deep and hugely polished game like BioShock. This is the type of game which doesn't come along very often and therefore needs to be massively encouraged for it to thrive and be repeated. Exploiting it this way is unacceptable in my eyes.
simultaneous worldwide release and no ridiculous copy protection and you can gurantee they'd have had a hell of a lot more sales
newslash: ****ing over your customers doesnt give them much incentive to pay you
theres a near 40 page thread on the 2k forums now about this and near every other post is someone saying they've cancelled their pre-order/intention to buy/returned the game because of this nonsense
at this point i think i'd pirate it even if i didnt have a machine that could run it just on principle
Don't worry, Tim is making up for the loss in sales all by himself. I could have stolen the review sample but I've also bought it ;)
:D
Unfortunately, I borked my mobo this week, so I'm going to be without it for a few weeks while it gets RMA'd. I thought about buying a cheapo replacement to cover the gap, but I realised it's a false economy - with some much software tied into the mobo, I can't face the aggro of getting every package re-authenticated and again when my replacement mobo comes back.
I might install it on my older PC but I'll live in fear as to whether it will let me install it on my main system when it's back up and running.
edit: http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6533 lol :S
Yep, stuck at autopatching. The worst thing is that if you cancel the activation it dumps the entire install. This time i have left it open, and just keep clicking the auto-patcher key in the hope it will connect.
Problem solved:
Simultaneous Installgate 07: 2K Ups BioShock Install Limit, Plans FOV Adjustment Patch
With a swathe of announcements sure to send shockwaves reverberating throughout the BioShock internet community, publisher 2K Games has replaced BioShock's initial limit of two simultaneous PC installations with what community manager Elizabeth Tobey calls a "5 by 5 plan."
Under the new terms, users will be able to install the game on up to five computers, with the ability to reinstall the game on each computer up to five times. 2K will release a "revoke app" that should address issues resulting from the original limitations.
In a stunning reversal, 2K also announced plans to release a patch allowing PC users to adjust the game's FOV despite claiming the existing widescreen implementation was by design, as documented in our coverage of Aspect Ratiogate 07. An Xbox 360 patch is under consideration as well.
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Post Picture Proof Of SecuROM Rootkit
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Well since they are saying it is not a rootkit then post your picture proof of it on your machines also please specify if it was the demo version this is to get them to give us a proper explanation to why it is showing up as one. To check use RootKitRevealerv1.71 http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sys...tRevealer.mspx also if you use a different program please post screen shots of that by pressing print screen and pasting into paint. Here is mine.
As they say a picture speaks a thousand words.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7549/securomlg2dx1.th.jpg
On a scale of 1 to 10 this rates 11.
Joe, I'm ashamed you didn't rate it high enough.
*cry*
QFT
after having played it (partially) it looks to me like a well done game....
graphics are great, the atmosphere is simply amazing, the cutscenes are great too, the story is well done and dont even get me started about the sound...
all install limit crap aside...
the actual game is the best action game ever in my opinion....
some people might be a bit disapointed by the focus on action though... but thats down to personal preference.
**rubs 9600 SE**:o
Don't worry baby, I'm not gonna let you go...:(
IMO the highest a game should ever get is 99%, as nothing is truly perfect. Despite how hysterical we might get over it at the time.
Let's face it, with killer graphics and an interesting storyline we can be tempted to say "this is the best game evar". A good critic should remain objective and balanced, and point out the faults in everything (there are faults in everything, nothing is perfect). To give a perfect score is to say that nothing can eclipse something, and to say that is to imply perfection.
It's maybe an almost philosophical point, but it's one that I think is reasonably important to a rating system.
This is actually all narrowed down in a score legend I wrote in the aftermath of the Spiderman 3 review, but which Tim hasn't seen fit to publish.
From the legend: "In a game, a score this high is one which has bowled us over with depth and gameplay and which we consider to have classic status. If you dont own this game you definitely should and even non-gamers should consider picking this game up as it surely deserves a place in any game library."
BioShock is an instant classic and looks set to stay that way - though probably a lesser known classic, like Deus Ex or System Shock 2 - which it is similar too. It is an incredible game, which Tim rang me up at home to talk about today after he reached a certain bit I bullied him into reaching this afternoon. I really can't describe how awesome it is - unfortunately, a lot of people don't see how great it is because want to argue or because they don't play all the crap games out there like I have too.
Ten out of ten is a perfect score, but it doesn't indicate a perfect game because there is no such thing. The review actually discusses a few of the games flaws, so I know it isn't perfect. A score of ten is merely a recognition of achievement, not a seal of a 'perfect' game.
Hope that clears that up.
Oh and CardJoe, prove you're a real Bioshock fan, read the 1100 page book that inspired massive parts of it :D
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