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Ten Years On: Doom 3

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Hustler 22nd August 2014, 11:09 Quote
It was the Crysis of it's day....primarily designed to show off the latest GPU techniques such as 'normal mapping', the Radeon 9800pro being THE card to own at the time.

But just like Crysis, it was style over substance.
Margo Baggins 22nd August 2014, 11:11 Quote
Nice article I liked that one. I haven't honestly played it in the last 10 years but I know it scared 18 year old me a lot! I might give it a bash this weekend and see if I can traverse hell, I have also never gotten past the spiders!
DrTiCool 22nd August 2014, 11:36 Quote
I bought new GPU just because this game, the not so mighty GeForce 5900XT
Phil Rhodes 22nd August 2014, 11:42 Quote
Good grief, ten years? That thing's still on my "must play at some point" list.

Is this what old age feels like? Everything being recent? Aargh.
GuilleAcoustic 22nd August 2014, 11:51 Quote
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Good grief, ten years? That thing's still on my "must play at some point" list.

Is this what old age feels like? Everything being recent? Aargh.

Yup, just bought the first XMEN dvd for my kids ... and realised it's already 14 years old.
runadumb 22nd August 2014, 12:45 Quote
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Originally Posted by Hustler
It was the Crysis of it's day....primarily designed to show off the latest GPU techniques such as 'normal mapping', the Radeon 9800pro being THE card to own at the time.

But just like Crysis, it was style over substance.

Except Crysis is IMO a great game. The first half had areas you could replay over and over in many different ways depending on path taken and suit powers used. It was incredibly fun. Granted that ability tales off as the game goes on but how is a large playpen "style over substance"?

Here's where I really put my cards on the table. I don't think id have made a great game since the original Doom series (which still hold up well). Exception being Quake 3, it never grabbed me (UT was my preferred by a mile) but I can see its a very well made game.
My preference from the time, which I doubt will have changed much.

Duke 3D > Quake
Unreal > Quake 2
Unreal Tournament > Quake 3
HL2 > Doom 3

I've been replaying some of these old games in the DK2 and Doom (well, Brutal Doom) was extremely good fun. Quake 2 is so boring I haven't put more than an hour into it. Quake I couldn't get to work and HL2 is ****ing incredible.

I will try to play through each one this year, with the exception of Quake 2 as its a piss poor game.
fix-the-spade 22nd August 2014, 13:07 Quote
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Originally Posted by Hustler
But just like Crysis, it was style over substance.

I think that's being harsh on Crysis, the variety of approaches you can take and the (relative) intelligence of the opponents you face still hold up now. The last third of the game does fall into flat out Call of Duty mode somewhat, but it is fitting with the sudden appearance of an entire alien army right under your feet. Also the trip through the core is one of my favourite segments of gameplay in any game in history, particularly on Delta where it becomes all about survival.
cps1974 22nd August 2014, 13:39 Quote
wow those screenies look great imho - pretty sure I purchased this through steam one time but never played it - will defo take a look now
Spreadie 22nd August 2014, 14:38 Quote
I've never completed Doom 3.

Every time I get to Hell, I get bored and leave it for another day, which never ever arrives; and I end up uninstalling it.

No regrets - it's about the same as Far Cry - really enjoyable for a while and then descending into a swirling vortex of utter sh!te.
raxonb 22nd August 2014, 14:54 Quote
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I will try to play through each one this year, with the exception of Quake 2 as its a piss poor game.

I loved Quake 2!! Each to their own though I guess.

10 years have gone fast...I remember thinking that DOOM 3 was just too dark for me. I mean I know its supposed to be, but it was too much for my liking. I ended up increasing the gamma just so I could find my way around at times.

Back then I had the 9700 Pro (bought it before the 9800 came out) and it has certainly lived up to its legendary status. I finally changed it when it struggled with Assassin's Creed Brotherhood in 2010.

And it played Crysis...(kind of :p)
Deders 22nd August 2014, 18:00 Quote
Hell was always the most exciting bit for me, after all those corridors. I wish more of the game was set in hell, or at least that there was more variety. I do remember enjoying using the relic every 5 or so souls I collected.
fakeN 22nd August 2014, 20:20 Quote
i remember loading up the leaked beta from some expo on my geforce 3 ti 200, the graphics were unbelievable
SighMoan 23rd August 2014, 00:03 Quote
Crysis before alien was awesome and I agree with fix that the trip into the core was awesome. It went **** after that.
sstteevveenn 23rd August 2014, 02:46 Quote
Hmm weird, I enjoyed it, but I thought it was needlessly long and drawn out. I thought the game actually finally picked up and got going right before you got to hell, when you got the lift down to the basement or something, and it was all just trashed.

Actually, I thought the expansion was more enjoyable. I think it had less of the slightly stressful dread and more action/better pacing. There was also more variety I think.

I'm not sure about the 9800, but I think that was quite old when doom 3 came out but was apparently amazing for quite a while before. Wasn't that around the geforce 4 which was kind of amazing in how it still played the new set of games that all came out around the same time. I think THE card for doom 3 was the geforce 6800gt (or ultra if you were "lucky" enough to find one.) I think ati was on the x800 at the time but were having crazy driver problems which meant while they held a small advantage in half life 2, in doom 3 they took until ages after release to get half way decent performance. I remember because I was trying to get some kind of 6800 and somewhere had sold out and tried to offer me the x800 or whatever but at the time it was really struggling with doom 3. hmm, thinking about it maybe the 9800 was only one generation older, as I think ati went x800, x1800, x2800 etc etc afterwards. Well, anyway, I feel old now.
Nexxo 23rd August 2014, 11:19 Quote
Pah! I remember when Doom came out. I was there, man! I was there!
impar 23rd August 2014, 11:44 Quote
Greetings!
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Pah! I remember when Doom came out. I was there, man! I was there!
And taking your PC to a friends house to play Doom multiplayer via serial (?) cable? Those were the days.
Nexxo 23rd August 2014, 12:21 Quote
Absolutely. It was magic.
Pete J 23rd August 2014, 12:27 Quote
Doom 3 was an excellent game. Not my all time favourite but worth a mention. Remember the intro scene? A simple video that the camera panned backwards on to reveal it was running IN THE GAME ITSELF? Awesome! As for the story being crap, it wasn't a masterpiece but it was functional and IIRC didn't have any holes.
Star*Dagger 24th August 2014, 04:29 Quote
I wonder if I should even ask if you played this in a dark room with a 5.1 system cranked up.
Shirty 24th August 2014, 10:55 Quote
Yes, it made me jump at every turn. But it was still boring and repetitive so I never finished it.

The original Doom however, still remains one of the greatest gaming experiences of my life. I was 11 and we only had a 486SX-25 at home, which was good enough for the blocky low setting. But I soon discovered that one of the PCs at my school (a 386DX-33 no less) could run it flawlessly.

I must have replayed the shareware chapter a hundred times before we finally upgraded at home and I bought the whole game!
Gareth Halfacree 24th August 2014, 11:08 Quote
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The original Doom however, still remains one of the greatest gaming experiences of my life. I was 11 and we only had a 486SX-25 at home, which was good enough for the blocky low setting. But I soon discovered that one of the PCs at my school (a 386DX-33 no less) could run it flawlessly.
Wait, really? A plain-old 386 beat out a 486, even one without a math-co? Huh. I wouldn't have guessed that would happen. According to this 3DBench spreadsheet, a 386DX-33 with 64KB cache and a Mach 32 graphics card gets 12.6fps, while a 486SX-25 with 256KB cache and an S3 Trio gets 20.4fps. Sure you're not misremembering? The 486 should have easily spanked the 386, although neither would play Doom full-screen full-res - you need a DX2-66 minimum for that, with the game only really managing not to slow down during busy scenes (or when you shoot a roomful of enemies with the BFG) when you've got a DX4-100.

EDIT: This awe-inspiring table suggests 8 MIPS for the 386 and 15 MIPS for the 486 - 'manufacturer claimed,' mind you, not measured. For comparison, I know my Motorola 68030 50MHz in my Amiga 1200 measures at just shy of 10 MIPS, compared to 12 MIPS listed in that table - so the figures shouldn't be far off. I can also add that the Amiga port of Doom runs pretty well on it, although obviously it's not directly comparable to the original DOS version.
Shirty 24th August 2014, 11:15 Quote
You're absolutely right!

You've jolted my memory now, the 386DX in the school library would play it on low res as well as our 486SX at home, then the senior wing (this was a boarding school) got a new DX4 and that was the rig that revealed the truth about Doom.

In fairness it was long time ago and I spent many of the intervening years killing off my brain cells :o
Gareth Halfacree 24th August 2014, 11:21 Quote
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Originally Posted by Shirty
You've jolted my memory now, the 386DX in the school library would play it on low res as well as our 486SX at home, then the senior wing (this was a boarding school) got a new DX4 and that was the rig that revealed the truth about Doom.
I remember the first time I saw Doom running on a DX4-100 - t'was glorious. I've still got the parts to build my Ultimate DOS Machine in the cupboard: motherboard, Pentium 233MMX (the fastest you can get before the Pentium II microarchitecture breaks backwards compatibility by changing certain timings), 64MB of EDO RAM, Matrox MGA graphics, SoundBlaster AWE64 Gold... Not sure I've got a compatible power supply, though. Should rectify that...
Shirty 24th August 2014, 11:29 Quote
Sounds similar to the first PC I became properly acquainted with. In 1997 having suffered years of mediocre rigs my parents had purchased, I convinced them to splash a lot of money (not much change from £3000 iirc) on a Tiny Pentium 200MMX based rig. It even had a 17" screen which was class-leading at the time - how things have moved on.

I remember that the PC had POD (Planet of Death) bundled with it as an MMX showcase, and I was simply agog at how good the graphics were! It was surprisingly playable with my CH Flightstick too.
Gareth Halfacree 24th August 2014, 11:44 Quote
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I remember that the PC had POD (Planet of Death) bundled with it as an MMX showcase, and I was simply agog at how good the graphics were! It was surprisingly playable with my CH Flightstick too.
I picked up the mediocre Doom clone Rebel Moon Rising as my "let's see what MMX can do" title. Can't remember a thing about it, so I'm guessing I was disappointed. Not like when I got a 3dFX Voodoo card (which I forgot to list as going into the DOS Gaming Rig of Awesomeness above), which made a massive difference. To this day, it's the best £100 I ever spent on gaming. Even accounting for inflation. MechWarrior 2 with the 3dFX patch? Amaze.
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