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Siwini 26th January 2011, 09:21 Quote
I played 1&2 not satisfied
mpr 26th January 2011, 09:33 Quote
Dawn of War has always done this. The expansions have been stand alone products and the later expansions are usually a full revamp. I think it was Chaos rising that changed DoW into something semi-resemling what we got with DoWII
BRAWL 26th January 2011, 09:37 Quote
Siwini - your argument is rendered into chainsword fodder.

Good review chap :) I will point a few things out mind...

The Tau and Necron's aren't around as I believe this is still based in the Aurelian sub-sector right? Neither of which races are anywhere!

Also, Ordo Malleus and Ordo Hereticus wouldn't be around if its Eldar/Orks based chap! It would only been the Ordo Xeno, but there again... I guess they could have involved the Deathwatch, but as there are already enough Space Marines it might go slightly sideways right?

Good review chap, I'm reallllly looking forwards to the game after Chaos Rising!
Instagib 26th January 2011, 09:49 Quote
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Originally Posted by BRAWL
Siwini - your argument is rendered into chainsword fodder.

Good review chap :) I will point a few things out mind...

The Tau and Necron's aren't around as I believe this is still based in the Aurelian sub-sector right? Neither of which races are anywhere!

Also, Ordo Malleus and Ordo Hereticus wouldn't be around if its Eldar/Orks based chap! It would only been the Ordo Xeno, but there again... I guess they could have involved the Deathwatch, but as there are already enough Space Marines it might go slightly sideways right?

Good review chap, I'm reallllly looking forwards to the game after Chaos Rising!

I think they could of worked all 3 Inquisitor Orders in. There's obviously a large chaos threat, so Ordo Malleus could be drafted in here, especially with the hulk still kicking around from chaos rising. And Ordo Hereticus could be mentiond in relation to the campaign of chaos rising, namely they could be investigating the degree of corruption The Commander flirted with. I think they missed a trick there.
sotu1 26th January 2011, 10:44 Quote
Is there any reason not to buy this game?!
BRAWL 26th January 2011, 10:46 Quote
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I think they could of worked all 3 Inquisitor Orders in. There's obviously a large chaos threat, so Ordo Malleus could be drafted in here, especially with the hulk still kicking around from chaos rising. And Ordo Hereticus could be mentiond in relation to the campaign of chaos rising, namely they could be investigating the degree of corruption The Commander flirted with. I think they missed a trick there.

Hmm, I disagree. The hulk maybe floating around but the Hereticus wouldn't be in the sub-sector this fast. Remember, the Inquisition may have had a base on Meridian (Hive cities much?) but that was basically annihlated nicely right?

Hmm, it might be a case that the Blood Ravens are now "renegade" as much as the SoulDrinkers are. The problem is, it's not the entire chapter. The Third Company and Honour Guard captain are still very much loyalists. But it's doubtful the greater Imperium knows what occured in DoW2/CR to be honest. Maybe DoW2 with the 'nids but no CR... Remember how ultra-quiet and protected the existance of Chaos Space Marines are?
Greenie 26th January 2011, 10:57 Quote
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What Relic has overhauled is the networking behind the multiplayer portion of the game: gone is Games for Windows Live (huzzah)

Huzzah indeed! This just got even better :D
Material 26th January 2011, 11:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by BRAWL
The Tau and Necron's aren't around as I believe this is still based in the Aurelian sub-sector right? Neither of which races are anywhere!

Also, Ordo Malleus and Ordo Hereticus wouldn't be around if its Eldar/Orks based chap! It would only been the Ordo Xeno, but there again... I guess they could have involved the Deathwatch, but as there are already enough Space Marines it might go slightly sideways right?

Fair points, but remember Relic have got to make this an enjoyable game so they can suspend the rules in some places. It's likely they'll add Tau or Necrons in a later expansion.
Yemerich 26th January 2011, 11:17 Quote
Before I read the article I was like "I should buy this game"...
While reading it I was like "I have to buy this game"...
After I read the article I am like "I definitely have to buy this game!"

Let us hope that after I played it I won't go like "I should have saved money"...

But I love THQ :D
Phalanx 26th January 2011, 11:25 Quote
I am SO looking forward to this! Collector's Edition preordered. Hurry up please :D
bob_lewis 26th January 2011, 11:55 Quote
I hereby declare march 4th is tomorrow. May I have my Steam pre-order now, please.
arcticstoat 26th January 2011, 11:56 Quote
This is one game I'm really looking forward to - it's about time we were able to play a single-player campaign as different races - particularly looking forward to some real-time ork action! I don't think any veteran 40K players will lament the absence of the Tau either - stupid-looking noob race that was introduced for the sake of it.
Parge 26th January 2011, 12:18 Quote
I am not looking forward to this at all because DOW2 was ruined for me by the RPG like elements. Such a shame.
Woollster00 26th January 2011, 12:53 Quote
All i can say is there better be a variety of dam last stand maps available with this expansion
BRAWL 26th January 2011, 12:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by BRAWL
The Tau and Necron's aren't around as I believe this is still based in the Aurelian sub-sector right? Neither of which races are anywhere!

Also, Ordo Malleus and Ordo Hereticus wouldn't be around if its Eldar/Orks based chap! It would only been the Ordo Xeno, but there again... I guess they could have involved the Deathwatch, but as there are already enough Space Marines it might go slightly sideways right?

Fair points, but remember Relic have got to make this an enjoyable game so they can suspend the rules in some places. It's likely they'll add Tau or Necrons in a later expansion.

I hope not. I'm still amazed they managed to squeeze almost every race into the DoW games, despite the overall impossibility right? Sorry I dislike "Oh we'll add psyker elves ... because!" in games, *cookie to the person who tells me who I referred to. It should kind of fall on where it's based. The Orks, Eldar, Dark Eldar, Space Marines and Imperial Guard are EVERYWHERE or can be due to tech (Eldar Webway)... but the Tau are still very small and the only Imperial Border they have is with Maccrage (Ultramarine fags.. can never spell their stupid home empire), The Necrons are primarily on dead worlds already, granted they can be anywhere... but I doubt working them into being in Aurelia would just cause so much hassle.
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I hereby declare march 4th is tomorrow. May I have my Steam pre-order now, please.

Did the Emperor say it was March 4th? *awaits booming god voice* ... we shall have to wait patiently.
nukeman8 26th January 2011, 13:05 Quote
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Originally Posted by arcticstoat
stupid-looking noob race that was introduced for the sake of it.

Bah im glad they were added otherwise warhammer newbies like myself would have nothing interesting to be interested in. :D
Baz 26th January 2011, 13:07 Quote
You lot have read far too many Horus Heresy books I think :p
dispie 26th January 2011, 13:11 Quote
Im so gone order this wen i get home, still playing DOWII gold edition and its great !!

aldo im a eldar player in the real game
Phalanx 26th January 2011, 13:52 Quote
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Originally Posted by bob_lewis
I hereby declare march 4th is tomorrow. May I have my Steam pre-order now, please.

bob_lewis: Cancel that preorder and get the Collector's Edition for less than the price of the Steam version, from shopto.net :)
Phalanx 26th January 2011, 13:58 Quote
Oh, and a few comments of my own:

1. It's not a "Land Raider tank". it's a Land Raider Redeemer, from what I see of the weapon configuration. Unless you can confirm we can pick the configuration? In which case, I am going to explode with excitement!

2. I hope they have updated The Last Stand multiplayer mode. I play that constantly and would love some new heroes and maps.
Instagib 26th January 2011, 14:51 Quote
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I think they could of worked all 3 Inquisitor Orders in. There's obviously a large chaos threat, so Ordo Malleus could be drafted in here, especially with the hulk still kicking around from chaos rising. And Ordo Hereticus could be mentiond in relation to the campaign of chaos rising, namely they could be investigating the degree of corruption The Commander flirted with. I think they missed a trick there.

Hmm, I disagree. The hulk maybe floating around but the Hereticus wouldn't be in the sub-sector this fast. Remember, the Inquisition may have had a base on Meridian (Hive cities much?) but that was basically annihlated nicely right?

Hmm, it might be a case that the Blood Ravens are now "renegade" as much as the SoulDrinkers are. The problem is, it's not the entire chapter. The Third Company and Honour Guard captain are still very much loyalists. But it's doubtful the greater Imperium knows what occured in DoW2/CR to be honest. Maybe DoW2 with the 'nids but no CR... Remember how ultra-quiet and protected the existance of Chaos Space Marines are?

Retribution is set 10 years after the events of CR. That should be enough time to drag the Inquisitors in surely?
Skiddywinks 26th January 2011, 14:52 Quote
I'm still waiting to get Chaos Rising. If someone could explain to me how it is fair that they charge £19.99 for DOWII + Chaos Rising, and yet charge £19.99 for just Chaos Rising as well, I would love to hear it.

Otherwise, I really did enjoy DOWII. The campaign was downright awesome. Really good fun. The multiplayer was good fun, if a little shallow, and Last Stand was absolutely **** after a few days. I find the idea of it worse than griding in an MMO, what with everything being the same all the time. I didn't like how getting through the later stages often boiled down to using a certain mixture of characters with the correct wargear. And why no levelling up? That is what I was really looking forward to. It felt a little half-arsed if you ask me, especially compared to the campaign.

This sounds really good though. I was impressed with the number of races they crammed in to the first DOW, and it looks like they plan on keeping the trend with number two.
Sensei 26th January 2011, 14:53 Quote
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Oh, and a few comments of my own:

1. It's not a "Land Raider tank". it's a Land Raider Redeemer, from what I see of the weapon configuration. Unless you can confirm we can pick the configuration? In which case, I am going to explode with excitement!

Oh Emperor help us. The geekiness of this page is a chainsaw to the system. However, he is right. Its a Redeemer so get your facts straight and get ready for some serious flamering and chain sawing...erm
Material 26th January 2011, 14:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by Ph4lanx

1. It's not a "Land Raider tank". it's a Land Raider Redeemer, from what I see of the weapon configuration. Unless you can confirm we can pick the configuration? In which case, I am going to explode with excitement!

2. I hope they have updated The Last Stand multiplayer mode. I play that constantly and would love some new heroes and maps.

Yeah, you're right, its the Redeemer, sorry for not making that clear. Its abit of a beast and importantly it acts as a mobile reinforcement hub so you dont have to keep falling back all the time. It would have been cool if they let you chose the weapons loadout so you could run it in any one of its many variants, they missed a trick there.

Last stand is pretty much as it was apart from the addition of a new map (yes, only one) that starts at a higher level than the current map.
Phalanx 26th January 2011, 14:55 Quote
Have they added the new heroes to The Last Stand, Material?
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