I'll be interested to see how the DX11 PC version will compare in GFX as this is already visually stunning, as a fan of the series I'll not doubt pick this up - good ol' racing games - only thing that I don't rage at.
I have been waiting for this game for ages and I too am most eager for the PC version with its DX11 tweaks (which didn't seem to be mentioned in the article) which is due out next year. I have to say though that once again game developers are destroying the quality of their own industry with games like this. Yes I am sure this will be a big seller and a great success, but as mentioned in the article, purists will be disappointed. The Colin McRae franchise was spot on for rally fans and it has now finally been butchered in to just another arcade racer for the masses of generic gamers. I most certainly do not agree with the comments in the article about difficulty as both the original DiRT and GRiD were cranked up to the hardest settings from the start with only one or two events seeming to be a serious challenge. Then when I take the game online, I sometimes find myself being left behind by the other online racers, showing their far superiour driving skills. Surely this is a sign that once again games are made far too easy these days... anyone else remember how intense TOCA was?
The first Dirt was ok but,it was ruined by the b******t of the driver and co driver at the end of stages.As SchizoFrog says,
"The Colin McRae franchise was spot on for rally fans and it has now finally been butchered in to just another arcade racer for the masses of generic gamers"
The older games in this franchise were better from my point of view,not from a visual/graphical point of view,but from a fans point of view.Well done Codemasters,for me you have ruined the game!
TOCA was ridiculously hard at times and I loved playing that. Every corner you were clinging onto the track for dear life.
I know that this game plays well, it looks really nice, I'm sure it'll have me coming back to play 'one more time' .. but it just seems a mess in every other area so I can't bring myself to buy it.
Firstly you've got all that x-games (which is short format show-boating dressed up as a sporting event) crap. Then you've got Ken Block who I'd never heard of till he was on Top Gear, has he even won or entered a proper Rally? Is he any good at all? Who the hell is he? The other guy I've never heard of and I watch WRC from time to time. Where's Loeb? Surely he's the natural successor for this game series, he's dominated the sport for a good few years. Sure he's French but he's good at it! Wait does this game even have the WRC licence?!
Then there's the menu's in this game, they are utterly pointless, time wasting quagmires of self-indulgence. The Dirt(1) menus were masterfully designed compared to this... you could see a list of stuff, they swished around cool looking and they were quick. That's all you need in a menu. It's not something to "play" codemasters, it gets you to the bit where you play. I have no interest in holding down the trigger to zoom in on a bit of menu that's telling me stuff to waste my time.
I only have the demo races to go by, but if there is a lot of woolly racing in those lumbering Baha trucks and you HAVE to play them to get on to the next proper race, then I'm just not interested in this game. I can't stand going around a boring track fighting computer artificial catch up opponents. That is dull as hell. If you perfect one of those races then the result looks identical to some one who just picked up the controller. There's zero appreciable finesse and there's no sense of "nailing" any corner at all... you just lumbered around it a little less crap than before. Not interested.
It's a shame because the handling of the cars on the proper game was quite fun. Maybe I'll give it a rent down the line.
Hi, I'm interested in the game... But how much raw power does it need to run in the PC, a medium graphic card (GTS250/HD4850)?
I'm just a little bit sad, that the game has lost the identity of Colin Mcrae 1 or 2... But laws of the market I guess
Originally Posted by V3ctor Hi, I'm interested in the game... But how much raw power does it need to run in the PC, a medium graphic card (GTS250/HD4850)?
I'm just a little bit sad, that the game has lost the identity of Colin Mcrae 1 or 2... But laws of the market I guess
just for info, i have been running grid on a Pentium D 820 2.8Ghz dual core and a Radeon 2400XT with 256MB DDR2 for last two weeks (since my CPU socket failed and am waiting for a new part)... although it is not smooth and silky, it is more than playable at 720x480 on my TV. Everything is turned down to minimum though.
My main rig with dual core 4200 and 8800GT was fine, but became unstable/jerky when playing music with winamp or WMP in background, since upgrading to the 8750 X3, it is more than silky smooth, no matter what my PC is doing in the background.
WIth the 8800GT i can turn EVERYTHING up to absolute maximum no probs at all @ 1680x1050 and get 45-60 fps
In short, a GTS250 will be plenty, for res up to 1680x1050, anything more and you'll need a bit more GDDR than 512MB.
Originally Posted by Joeymac TOCA was ridiculously hard at times and I loved playing that. Every corner you were clinging onto the track for dear life.
I know that this game plays well, it looks really nice, I'm sure it'll have me coming back to play 'one more time' .. but it just seems a mess in every other area so I can't bring myself to buy it.
Firstly you've got all that x-games (which is short format show-boating dressed up as a sporting event) crap. Then you've got Ken Block who I'd never heard of till he was on Top Gear, has he even won or entered a proper Rally? Is he any good at all? Who the hell is he? The other guy I've never heard of and I watch WRC from time to time. Where's Loeb? Surely he's the natural successor for this game series, he's dominated the sport for a good few years. Sure he's French but he's good at it! Wait does this game even have the WRC licence?!
Then there's the menu's in this game, they are utterly pointless, time wasting quagmires of self-indulgence. The Dirt(1) menus were masterfully designed compared to this... you could see a list of stuff, they swished around cool looking and they were quick. That's all you need in a menu. It's not something to "play" codemasters, it gets you to the bit where you play. I have no interest in holding down the trigger to zoom in on a bit of menu that's telling me stuff to waste my time.
I only have the demo races to go by, but if there is a lot of woolly racing in those lumbering Baha trucks and you HAVE to play them to get on to the next proper race, then I'm just not interested in this game. I can't stand going around a boring track fighting computer artificial catch up opponents. That is dull as hell. If you perfect one of those races then the result looks identical to some one who just picked up the controller. There's zero appreciable finesse and there's no sense of "nailing" any corner at all... you just lumbered around it a little less crap than before. Not interested.
It's a shame because the handling of the cars on the proper game was quite fun. Maybe I'll give it a rent down the line.
This pretty much sums up my thoughts on Dirt 2. I enjoyed Dirt 1 as it had proper rally stages, this games just seems to be a Ken Block advertising package.
The menu system in grid annoyed me enough to give up on it and by the sounds of it this is worse, Please for the love of god dont let them hash the F1 game!! Ive been waiting ages for the damn thing!!
I have to say that compared to some things we have to put up with within games the menu systems in these titles are minor issues, in my opinion anyway. If a menu system could make you give up on a game, it really can't have been that much fun for you in the first place and maybe comments regarding this may have been more interesting or constructive. But anyway....
My opinion for F1... when I first heard that CodeMasters had bought the licence I was exicited... right up until I read the next sentence that mentioned it would be built using the EGO engine of GRiD. GRiD is a fun game with good graphics but the physics and just the feel of the car on the road is... is... just wrong, most of the time. The cars feel floaty, almost detatched from the ground with no real difference between the various types of vehicles. Yes they perform differently but they somehow all... feel the same.
F1 is going to be a major let down. It will not be serious enough for the fans of the sport, It will not be pretty enough for casual gamers. I don't mean the graphics... the scenery... pay attention to anywhere other than the racing cars next time its on. Apart from the main stand, 40% of the main straight there is nothing, ever... in the background other than at Monaco and maybe one or two others. For an example have a look at the overall look of MotoGP or SBK (same game, different title). But the main hook of previous F1 titles was the feel and the seriousness of the game for the fans, and the EGO engine just doesn't cut it.
Back to immediate topic, I know they plan to tweak DiRT 2 for DX11 visuals but a delay for the PC of 4-6 months minimum is just another example of how developers are the main reason for the fall in PC game sales and not piracy. If game developers truely supported the PC gaming market, how much stronger would it be? If they have to resort to these tactics to keep console gamers happy?
I'd prefer Colin McCrae games to still be rally games as apposed to just glossy arcade racers, featuring flavour of the month drivers like Ken Block. McCrae's memory deserves better than this.
I think the only person who should be let near an F1 licence is Geoff Crammond, if only he'd come out of his apparent retirement.
tbh ive been a big fan of DiRT since it came out and im not sure what to made re: DiRT 2, i did enjoy the demo on my ps3 so i'll probably pick it up, however for rally itself i'll stick to CMR4, RBR and DiRT
I loved the original DiRT, probably more so than GRID, until my cousin lost the disk and never re-payed me :(. Lucky for me I got a replacement copy just the other week for $20AUD. I will definitely be investing in this :D.
This game looks amazing but it's dumbed down rallying, the courses barely reach 5 minutes, and the american drivers talk trash when they go by (which is really annoying),
The original DiRT is a great game, as also is GRID.... With a promising NFS:Shift, GT5, and Forza3 all on the way, this may be a miss....
Originally Posted by Gunsmith why does everyone say GRID is great!? its a childs arcade game ITS RUBBISH!
It is not rubbish... it is as you say... a more simple, generic arcade racer designed for the masses which is why it has a wide range of diciplines throughout. It is not a serious simulation racer as previous Colin McRae, F1 or even TOCA titles were. As such it is very good for what it is.
However, the Colin McRae and F1 franchise games were exactly that, simulation racers for the serious gamer or even racer with easier settings for those who could not hack it or just wanted to ping round the tracks. This is my complaint with DiRT, that they have made it more varied and simple and have killed the very thing Colin McRae was all about.
I do not wish to cause offence, but I wonder what Colin McRae himself would have thought about his name being used for such a generic ambiguous game.
Originally Posted by uz1_l0v3r I was really looking forward to playing a next-gen WRC rally game, and instead we get "DIRT" - generic, dumbed down "rallying" for the masses.
me too mate I wish DiRT 1 had the graphics & handling of 2 coz this is 1 of the worst rally games ever & they used Mcrae's name just to sell it
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Replyfrom the screenshots, i see the most noticeable improvement they've added since Grid was more excessive bloom/HDR. it's getting a bit too much IMO
I'll be interested to see how the DX11 PC version will compare in GFX as this is already visually stunning, as a fan of the series I'll not doubt pick this up - good ol' racing games - only thing that I don't rage at.
:P
"The Colin McRae franchise was spot on for rally fans and it has now finally been butchered in to just another arcade racer for the masses of generic gamers"
The older games in this franchise were better from my point of view,not from a visual/graphical point of view,but from a fans point of view.Well done Codemasters,for me you have ruined the game!
I know that this game plays well, it looks really nice, I'm sure it'll have me coming back to play 'one more time' .. but it just seems a mess in every other area so I can't bring myself to buy it.
Firstly you've got all that x-games (which is short format show-boating dressed up as a sporting event) crap. Then you've got Ken Block who I'd never heard of till he was on Top Gear, has he even won or entered a proper Rally? Is he any good at all? Who the hell is he? The other guy I've never heard of and I watch WRC from time to time. Where's Loeb? Surely he's the natural successor for this game series, he's dominated the sport for a good few years. Sure he's French but he's good at it! Wait does this game even have the WRC licence?!
Then there's the menu's in this game, they are utterly pointless, time wasting quagmires of self-indulgence. The Dirt(1) menus were masterfully designed compared to this... you could see a list of stuff, they swished around cool looking and they were quick. That's all you need in a menu. It's not something to "play" codemasters, it gets you to the bit where you play. I have no interest in holding down the trigger to zoom in on a bit of menu that's telling me stuff to waste my time.
I only have the demo races to go by, but if there is a lot of woolly racing in those lumbering Baha trucks and you HAVE to play them to get on to the next proper race, then I'm just not interested in this game. I can't stand going around a boring track fighting computer artificial catch up opponents. That is dull as hell. If you perfect one of those races then the result looks identical to some one who just picked up the controller. There's zero appreciable finesse and there's no sense of "nailing" any corner at all... you just lumbered around it a little less crap than before. Not interested.
It's a shame because the handling of the cars on the proper game was quite fun. Maybe I'll give it a rent down the line.
I'm just a little bit sad, that the game has lost the identity of Colin Mcrae 1 or 2... But laws of the market I guess
just for info, i have been running grid on a Pentium D 820 2.8Ghz dual core and a Radeon 2400XT with 256MB DDR2 for last two weeks (since my CPU socket failed and am waiting for a new part)... although it is not smooth and silky, it is more than playable at 720x480 on my TV. Everything is turned down to minimum though.
My main rig with dual core 4200 and 8800GT was fine, but became unstable/jerky when playing music with winamp or WMP in background, since upgrading to the 8750 X3, it is more than silky smooth, no matter what my PC is doing in the background.
WIth the 8800GT i can turn EVERYTHING up to absolute maximum no probs at all @ 1680x1050 and get 45-60 fps
In short, a GTS250 will be plenty, for res up to 1680x1050, anything more and you'll need a bit more GDDR than 512MB.
This pretty much sums up my thoughts on Dirt 2. I enjoyed Dirt 1 as it had proper rally stages, this games just seems to be a Ken Block advertising package.
I have to say that compared to some things we have to put up with within games the menu systems in these titles are minor issues, in my opinion anyway. If a menu system could make you give up on a game, it really can't have been that much fun for you in the first place and maybe comments regarding this may have been more interesting or constructive. But anyway....
My opinion for F1... when I first heard that CodeMasters had bought the licence I was exicited... right up until I read the next sentence that mentioned it would be built using the EGO engine of GRiD. GRiD is a fun game with good graphics but the physics and just the feel of the car on the road is... is... just wrong, most of the time. The cars feel floaty, almost detatched from the ground with no real difference between the various types of vehicles. Yes they perform differently but they somehow all... feel the same.
F1 is going to be a major let down. It will not be serious enough for the fans of the sport, It will not be pretty enough for casual gamers. I don't mean the graphics... the scenery... pay attention to anywhere other than the racing cars next time its on. Apart from the main stand, 40% of the main straight there is nothing, ever... in the background other than at Monaco and maybe one or two others. For an example have a look at the overall look of MotoGP or SBK (same game, different title). But the main hook of previous F1 titles was the feel and the seriousness of the game for the fans, and the EGO engine just doesn't cut it.
Back to immediate topic, I know they plan to tweak DiRT 2 for DX11 visuals but a delay for the PC of 4-6 months minimum is just another example of how developers are the main reason for the fall in PC game sales and not piracy. If game developers truely supported the PC gaming market, how much stronger would it be? If they have to resort to these tactics to keep console gamers happy?
I think the only person who should be let near an F1 licence is Geoff Crammond, if only he'd come out of his apparent retirement.
mainly cause all the consoletards are screaming that its not the rubbish most **** (most wanted) 2
The original DiRT is a great game, as also is GRID.... With a promising NFS:Shift, GT5, and Forza3 all on the way, this may be a miss....
it's easy to pick up for those who loved NFS, and it's not too hard so it's still fun to play
It is not rubbish... it is as you say... a more simple, generic arcade racer designed for the masses which is why it has a wide range of diciplines throughout. It is not a serious simulation racer as previous Colin McRae, F1 or even TOCA titles were. As such it is very good for what it is.
However, the Colin McRae and F1 franchise games were exactly that, simulation racers for the serious gamer or even racer with easier settings for those who could not hack it or just wanted to ping round the tracks. This is my complaint with DiRT, that they have made it more varied and simple and have killed the very thing Colin McRae was all about.
I do not wish to cause offence, but I wonder what Colin McRae himself would have thought about his name being used for such a generic ambiguous game.
me too mate I wish DiRT 1 had the graphics & handling of 2 coz this is 1 of the worst rally games ever & they used Mcrae's name just to sell it
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