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Marquee 25th May 2006, 13:58 Quote
The best mats are the cloth mats. I am no pro-gamer but dude play allot of games and gaming hardware is something I like to call my self an expert in. The best mice right now out are the G7 and G5. The G7 on its best days works as well as the a wired mice with out having to pull on the wire over and over. But because its a wireless mice the tracking goes down when the battery is low. Feels kind of laggy when low battery.

As far as mats the best are cloth. Most pro gamers still use cloth mats because they give the mice a good texture to point its laser off. But from what I see these new mice (laser 2000Dpi+) have the ability work well on glass and shinny surface as well. But I still think the laser mice work better on cloth then shinny glass like surface.
Xen0phobiak 25th May 2006, 14:02 Quote
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Originally Posted by Marquee
The best mats are the cloth mats.

Notion signed.

I had a giganta, then a speedpad, now I'm on a megamat and I don't think I'll ever go back to hard pads. I have no problem with it not being as sensitive as a hard pad.
ContingenctPlan 25th May 2006, 14:06 Quote
I'm using a hybrid cloth/hard mat - the Steelpad 5L, which I've been very pleased with. The only complaint I have is that the graphic looks more vibrant in the marketing samples (much like the G5 looks nicer in marketing pics too).
Lazlow 25th May 2006, 14:41 Quote
You guys are psychic, as first you do an AM2 article, now a mouse article. All you need next is a keyboard article and I'm sorted on choices for my next rig.

I like the looks of the Microsoft Mouse, as it suits us left-handers and the shape is very similar to other great MS Mice. Is it worth the extra spend though on a mat, when you can easily do without?
olly_lewis 25th May 2006, 14:48 Quote
That Razor ProSolution 1.6 os a one bland mouse, that biege finish looks like it came from some Swansee office building... not retro, nor cool. The Logitech on the other hand... nice!
RTT 25th May 2006, 14:53 Quote
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The cord is just the standard rubberised Microsoft job

It isn't - its a very slim, lightweight cable - unless this is now the standard cable? It never used to be if that is actually the case :)
Hamish 25th May 2006, 14:55 Quote
what is with putting the 'thumb' buttons on either side :\
mx518 > g5 just for that reason imo
the on the fly dpi adjustment thing is a bit of a gimmick really, the only time i've ever used it was deployed rocket launcher on dod:s :p
and even then i forget 9 times out of 10 :D

huge cloth mat = win imo too
i have the huge everglide one :D

theres only one keyboard i would consider buying now too, http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/productdetails.aspx?pid=043
:)
Tim S 25th May 2006, 14:59 Quote
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Originally Posted by Lazlow
I like the looks of the Microsoft Mouse, as it suits us left-handers and the shape is very similar to other great MS Mice. Is it worth the extra spend though on a mat, when you can easily do without?
I never game without a mouse mat these days :D
Garside 25th May 2006, 15:23 Quote
When I was younger I played with some Counterstrike clans in the pro gaming circuit - and no matter what mouse the best players used they always ended up remaining the best.

The thing that made the most different to their game was significant changes in game setup. Put 4kings Mangiacapra on a different resolution, with buttons placed in different positions to the ones he has practiced with and his game would be severly disrupted.

I see mice and micemats as similar to football boots to footballers. It may make the experience nicer, but give Ronaldhino a pair of pit boots and he will still be the best in the world!
eek 25th May 2006, 15:24 Quote
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Originally Posted by Hamish
the on the fly dpi adjustment thing is a bit of a gimmick really, the only time i've ever used it was deployed rocket launcher on dod:s :p
and even then i forget 9 times out of 10 :D
I disagree - I find it very useful as I like it my mouse really sensitive and my gf doesn't... so much easier to push a button when she uses it than to go into mouse settings all the time!

Also, I find it great in gaming. In games like CSS where when you scope with awm/scout, you can either turn it up a notch to counter the slowdown of movements, and down a notch to get some really accurate shooting!

Now the weights... they're gimmicky - I just loaded all the heaviest ones in!
eek 25th May 2006, 15:27 Quote
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Originally Posted by Garside
When I was younger I played with some Counterstrike clans in the pro gaming circuit - and no matter what mouse the best players used they always ended up remaining the best.

The thing that made the most different to their game was significant changes in game setup. Put 4kings Mangiacapra on a different resolution, with buttons placed in different positions to the ones he has practiced with and his game would be severly disrupted.

I see mice and micemats as similar to football boots to footballers. It may make the experience nicer, but give Ronaldhino a pair of pit boots and he will still be the best in the world!
True, an expensive mouse won't suddenly make you the best player in the world however it will make you the most comfortable!

Cheap mice never feel as nice to use and never fit your hand that well. The G5 even has a textured (feels like sandpaper at first) material where your fingers go and for ppl with sweaty hands like me it makes a world of difference :)
Mister_Tad 25th May 2006, 15:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by the article

It sports a button on each side as well as the standard tilt-wheel, for sideways scrolling as well as up down. For those who prefer one over the other, the wheel is a 'rollie' rather than a 'clickie', which may put you off if you're a next-weapon-on-click-up type.

interesting, I've got a wired laser mouse 6000 and it has a clicky non-tilt wheel :|
lepre 25th May 2006, 15:51 Quote
bigz:
i knew the microsoft wireless version you refer to has a different laser sensor than the one reviewed here. are you sure that's only the same without the cord...

for what i remember the sensor in the wireless is made from a different manufacturer (the one who made the optical sensor for the previous intellimouses) and the one in the corded one is from the same as the logitech.

and it's said that the one in the wireless is far better...but...it's wireless

i hope you can find out more about this...and tell me :)

edit:
right there on the MS hardware site:
for the wireless
http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/images/technologies/techs_hiDefLaserTech.jpg
if you can't read, it says: Microsoft® High Definition Laser Technology

for the corded
http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/images/features/techs_M-laserTech.jpg
just Microsoft® LASER Technology
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Originally Posted by Mister_Tad
interesting, I've got a wired laser mouse 6000 and it has a clicky non-tilt wheel :|

i was forgetting this too! the ones i have seen all had the old style wheel!
Hamish 25th May 2006, 15:57 Quote
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Originally Posted by eek
I disagree - I find it very useful as I like it my mouse really sensitive and my gf doesn't... so much easier to push a button when she uses it than to go into mouse settings all the time!

Also, I find it great in gaming. In games like CSS where when you scope with awm/scout, you can either turn it up a notch to counter the slowdown of movements, and down a notch to get some really accurate shooting!

Now the weights... they're gimmicky - I just loaded all the heaviest ones in!
i dont find it useful for gaming purposes at all, i can see how it might be for a shared machine, but no-one touches my computer :p

personally i like my mouse very sensitive too but i dont have any problem just moving my hand less for accurate shots :p
i have mouse acceleration on too, maybe that has something to do with it

the weights is actually a good idea imo, i hate heavy mice, i'd definately pull all teh weights out :p
Stanmanfoo 25th May 2006, 16:25 Quote
Something to point out that I don't think was said in the review, is that the G5 scroll wheel is quite unique: you can push it to the left or right and have each direction do another function. The default is left and right scroll, but using the configuration software you can change it to whatever you like (in my case, right is backstab and left is feint :D )
monkeyville 25th May 2006, 16:41 Quote
I bought an everglide a while back and the thing has warped after about a year so much so that the mouse rocks on it.

As for gaming well i use an old MS intellimouse as i am so used to it. Can't stand using my MS bluetooth mouse in games coz it just isnt fast enough
ContingenctPlan 25th May 2006, 16:48 Quote
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Originally Posted by Stanmanfoo
Something to point out that I don't think was said in the review, is that the G5 scroll wheel is quite unique: you can push it to the left or right and have each direction do another function. The default is left and right scroll, but using the configuration software you can change it to whatever you like (in my case, right is backstab and left is feint :D )

The Mouse3 button (clicking down the scroll wheel) is horrible on the G5, however: it's too hard.
bloodcar 25th May 2006, 17:13 Quote
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Originally Posted by Lazlow
You guys are psychic, as first you do an AM2 article, now a mouse article. All you need next is a keyboard article and I'm sorted on choices for my next rig.

I like the looks of the Microsoft Mouse, as it suits us left-handers and the shape is very similar to other great MS Mice. Is it worth the extra spend though on a mat, when you can easily do without?
Easy, the Microsoft Ergonomic 4000. Pain in the arse to get used to typing on but it sure is confortable.
[cibyr] 25th May 2006, 17:14 Quote
I have the sensitivity buttons on my MX518 mapped to pageup and pagedown instead, I leave the sensitivty set on 1600dpi all the time. MX518 > G5 or G7 simply for number of buttons, the more the merrier and not having two thumb buttons hurts.

A guy across the hall from me has the MS laser 6000 (clicky, non-sideways wheel) and I must admit it tracks better than the 518. Too light though, and lacking buttons.

I also own a MS wireless notebook optical 4000 (1000 dpi, non-clicky sideways-scrolling whell) and while the form factor rocks for portability (snap the reciever into the base and chuck it in backback) and it's still on it's first AA battery (after 6 months) the scroll wheel/MOUSE3 pisses me off. It's hard to scroll vertically and even harder to click the damm thing. Otherwise a great mouse, and the only mouse i've ever been able to use on-the-move (beats a touchpad hands-down lol).
Paradigm Shifter 25th May 2006, 17:33 Quote
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Originally Posted by ContingenctPlan
The Mouse3 button (clicking down the scroll wheel) is horrible on the G5, however: it's too hard.
I agree. I like my G5 (the ability to change the weight and the sensitivity are two things I really like about it) but it suffers from the same issue as my MX-700 did, but even worse: the scroll wheel is really hard work to press. I don't like putting a lot of pressure on my mouse - I like it to 'float'.
eddtox 25th May 2006, 18:01 Quote
I have a MS wireless natural multimedia keyboard which took a bit getting used to but I absolutely love and a wireless intellimouse explorer 2.0 which I use without a pad. The batteries in the mouse are about 4 months old and I never had any lag except when I had my mom's Trust wireless optical on a similar freq. a meter away. I also LOVE the feel of the mouse. The only thing I dont like is the rollie wheel which is useless for gaming.

- ed out
specofdust 25th May 2006, 18:20 Quote
I would really like a G5, but I'm not going to get one. For the exact same reason as Hamish. I want two mouse buttons, and I want them to sit right above where my thumb sits a la MX518. That way, I can easily roll my thumb up just a tad and onto either of them. It's precise, it's quick, it's perfect for binding reload to and still having a second key free for that games specific extra needs.

I have my mouse sensitivity pretty high, I don't tend to snipe in games, but I find when I do I can still pull of good headshots. I can't say my mouse sensititivity is ever too high for me.

As for the G5's left right mouse wheel binds, from what I've heard those are unrelaible in fast hard gaming, and many people end up totaly unbinding them because they go to change weapons or middle click and end up left or right mouse wheel clicking.

Oh and a £3.99 teflon baking tray is my mousemat. It's got more room then I ever use, it's covered in teflon so it's non-stick, and with some celotape on the bottom of my mouse feet, it feels all smooth like :D

I'm currently using an MX510, but when I need a replacement it's going to be the 518, and I really hope logitech have enough sense to keep the 518 going, or to just keep updating it but keep the basic shape the same as its been since MX500 days. The shape is perfect, the buttons are perfect, and if something isn't broken, do not fix it.
fev 25th May 2006, 18:26 Quote
am the only one who uses a ball mouse?

evesham.com branded logitech, clicky wheel 3 buttons... aboot 5 years old

mouse pad? not used one for years

*edit* nice play on "of mice and men"
specofdust 25th May 2006, 18:46 Quote
Ball mice are evil. No-one should have to use one. Seriously fev, give a decent logitech mouse a go, it's just a different world.
fev 25th May 2006, 18:48 Quote
i used a logitech at uni, made no difference to my gaming or webbing
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