Alright Bauul, so you're saying that if anyone tries to speak up for the PS3, even if it's justified through a false statement, then they should be considered a fanboy?
Joe wrote a column to try and introduce himself to bit-tech. He wrote about console fanboys. He also mentioned Sony in a bad light (as usual) which was something I didn't think needed to be in there, so I felt I needed to speak up. He also said that fanboys say things that are irrational and not true, so I felt it was worth quoting something he said a few weeks ago that was irrational and not true. That's not ironic at all is it?
Secondly, I am bored either at work or school and I have the time to type such long replies. I have nothing else to do, but surf the web and browse through bit-tech and read articles. I also love to be active in the forums.
Thirdly, his article DID involve statements regarding the PS3 and because of his past statements I took the console that he was referring to as the biggest letdown, to be the PS3 and not the Wii, which he later corrected and I gladly thanked him for it.
Fourth, Joe himself is a fanboy of the Wii, so why aren't you giving him as much crap as me? Just like he can ridicule the Wii, I too can say that the PS3 is overpriced and due to the half-assed games, the small movie selection and without Playstation Home it is not worth the money at this time especially in the UK/EU. Remember, I live in the US and I have a different interpretation of the PS3, so it is kind of reflected in my comments which I am sorry for.
When everything is said and done: I am NOT a fanboy, just a guy with reason to keep the playing fields even and to not let spam hurt the PS3's or any other products' image just like I would stand up for the 360 if people said things that weren't true about it. So I'm sorry I have annoyed you Bauul, and I'm sad that you think I fit into Joe's definition of some low-life fanboy who thinks only one-sided and who has no other opinions that are based on fact/reason and that I am killing any product/franchise that I proudly support, whether verbally or contextually.
I'm getting tired of people like yourself who think people who actually have a grasp on the issue should just shut up and let the issues slide, even when people's opinions try to outweigh the facts.
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Originally Posted by Bauul Joe's points were both valid and accurate, as you've so wonderfully demonstrated
So you're saying Bauul that the opening quote I used in my first post was a valid/accurate statement provided by Joe? Please explain....
Hello; as a co-creator of the Curse of Monkey Island radio drama referenced in the article (and the one who had the idea in the first place), I thought I would say hi and share some thoughts. First off, Im of course really pleased that people are listening to (and talking about) the shows. Its been really thrilling to see people from all over the world checking it out, and were so happy that the response has been pretty positive from both hardcore fans and people whove never heard of the game. And with regard to the authors point: theres definitely a phenomenon of blind, aggressive devotion to games/consoles that can lead to unreasonable expectations, among other things. Which is too bad.
In any case, I appreciate that the author seems to be talking more about the context of online communities than the radio drama or the play referenced, but it seemed sad to have such a negative association with our project when I know these radio dramas dont represent that particular type of fandom. To begin with, my co-creator and I both love and have long-term projects in radio and radio dramas independent of our love for CMI; so it was as a radio drama fan as much as a CMI fan that the idea of combining the two loves occurred to me.
My co-creator and I dont happen to actively participate in online forums (and I don't mean any disrespect by it; we're big fans of worldofmi.com, for example, and think they're a wonderful fan resource). Not one of the other voice actors had played the game before being cast, and most hadnt heard of it. We often encouraged their instincts when they differed from the character interpretations in the game, and had to cut a ton of beloved puzzles and dialogue, as well as add a lot of new material, to make the whole thing work as a radio drama. Im really proud of my partners additions to the script, actually; I think theyre genuinely faithful to the spirit of the game while serving the specific needs of the radio drama format.
So, based on my personal experience of trying to meet the challenges of this type of project, I suggest that the author consider an alternate perspective on this corner of fan activity. Adaptation, when successful anyway, is an act of both sacrifice and creation, of critical and imaginative thinking that addresses the standards of both the original format and the new one. As such, it is rather an antidote to the kind of narrow-minded obsession demonstrated by the so-called fanboys. I like to think that fan-artists, and of course those who appreciate such deviances from canon, dont pose a threat to innovation and rejuvenation in a franchise, but rather are the sort to welcome and encourage it.
Originally Posted by devdevil85 DougEdey, I know pricing in the UK/EU sucks. I'm sorry for that. I guess just wait for a price drop in the near future. With waiting, the gaming/movie library will accumulate and Playstation Home will be out and so will a rumble controller, which idk when it'll be coming out, but I would expect almost as soon as Sony and Immersion can work out their differences. Again, I hear you on the price, but the only real hardware decrease that I know of was the physical PS1/PS2 emulator, and that's it so idk where else to go with it.
As for the bad BC in UK/EU, it's could be an issue between the hardware in the US being NTSC based and the UK/EU versions being PAL. Again, idk what the cause for bad BC is, but I can tell you Sony didn't do it on purpose and that there's gotta be a reason for it rather than them "hating" the UK/EU, and I know that they will do all they can to get as many games BC. Remember, emulation is a slow process that involves many variations of games and the latest PS2 games will utilize every available option that the console offers and due to the multiple revisions of the PS2 I can kind of see how hard it would be to get every game to work through the emulator, especially because of the many hardware/software revisions that the PS2 has had during its lifetime. Anyways let me know your opinion on it.
If I can take any copy of FFXII and goto any PS2 and it works, then if I take any copy of FF7 and take that to a PS2 and it works, why should it be any different on a PS3?
Ok, I guess it's time for me to step in and say something. :)
Firstly, I'd like to apologise to CurseRadio. I didn't mean to imply that the radio show would damage the Monkey Island franchise. I've actually listened to more of it over the weekend and I really love it. My point only was that people going on about games in that way may end up ruining the games for themselves by getting their hopes up too high, the same is true of people who make unofficial sequels. I myself have made fanart etc for Monkey Island, so i understand your response. Sorry if I offended your very good radio drama. I like your definition of yourself as fan-artists and not fanboys, it essentially illustrates what I was trying to say.
As for the column, I can write it about whatever I want. There were a lot of plans for what the article could be about and, as I said before, I did try to write an intro piece about myself but didn't want to give readers useless information about me. It's not about my ego, and if I want to remain private then I have that choice.
I'm not a wii-fanboy, thats why I almost wrote the article about hwo the wii is failing for hardcore gamers. It's not that the Wii has failed to meet my expectations, it's just that I as a solo, hardcore gamer, don't get my solo, hardcore needs fulfilled as much as I do with a PC or other console.
Lastly, the point is that fanboys (not fan-artists) may end up turning popular opinion against themselves with their attitudes. It's a plausible thing to say. If a neutral person comes along and someone tries to ram an Xbox down his throat, that person may end up choking and not liking Xboxes. Everytime a fanboy goes on a tirade, this is what they essentially do.
Lastly, everyone should go listen to the Curse of Monkey Island radio drama. It really is very very good, as is the play which I plan to finish watching with my girlfriend over the weekend. I'm not ordering you to that though - it's just a suggestion ;)
Originally Posted by devdevil85 omg.... *fire and brimstone hence forth spews from various orifices*
Lol, ok look, I'm really not trying for an argument, and I'll freely admit it was late and thus comments are usually more blunt than would be freely acceptable. I was actually trying to be as objective as possible: I'm not an 360 fanboy, or a Wii fanboy, or a PS3 fanboy, or really anything fanboy related when it comes to consoles, they don't interest me all that much simply due to the nature of the machines they are and the games they are catered for (i.e., not FPS or Strategy).
However, I, like many, many other people, do get aggravated by fanboyism for anything really, especially when it's unwarranted. Unfortunately for the PS3, they have far more than their fair share of fanboyism. As such, when someone starts sticking up for the PS3, people often immediately take it be fanboyism, even when potentially it isn't.
However, what you have been saying, I'm sorry to say, really does come across as fanboyism. I'm not trying to needlessly have a go at you, just letting you know. Joe was using the PS3 as an example of a product who's reputation has been damaged by fanboys, which is perfectly true and I no-one can deny it. What I meant by the fact you've demonstrated this perfectly was that you sticking up for the PS3 in such an aggressive manner has made me like the PS3 just a little bit less. Can't you see by getting so defensive about it, you're not going to convince anyone to suddenly like the PS3, they're not going to go "omg, Devil's right, how did I not see this before?", they're just going to sigh and dislike the PS3 and its fans even more. Personally, I have nothing against the PS3, it's a good console that does what it says on the tin, what I do have issues with is Sony (who doesn't?) and people who overly aggressively stick up for it.
Ah enough of this, this isn't going anywhere and we'd have more success at proving/disproving God than reaching a consensus at this. In conclusion, all I was trying to say is that Joe pointed out that aggressive fanboyism turns people away from the product they're sticking up for, something that this very discussion has aptly demonstrated. So yeah, enough of this, lets move on to a less tired topic that we might actually reach a consensus about.
So, fast zombies, ala 28 Days Later, Dawn of the Dead remake etc.
A natural evolution of the undead form, or a gross misrepresentation of the classic zombie image? Discuss! :D
So, fast zombies, ala 28 Days Later, Dawn of the Dead remake etc.
A natural evolution of the undead form, or a gross misrepresentation of the classic zombie image? Discuss! :D
Actually it's simply because the people who became zombies, all came from a rave where they all had taken speed :D
Lol, actually no, I just had a proper kick ass dream about zombies last night. I was in a room with like two dozen zombies armed only a pool cue. It was sweet on a Braindead kind of level, if only one could record your dreams it'd make for some sweet ass viewing later! Lol.
And be realistic Joe, I've been preparing for the impending zombie apocolypse for years now, even got my own Go Bag ready and everything!
Alright, it's time for me to also stop trying to stick up for the PS3 when pretty much everyone just hates Sony as a company. I guess I'm kind of seeing it now. It's just Sony as a company and not the PS3 itself (when you leave out the pricing and half-assed games). I am sorry for sounding fanboyish. It's just that I have been lucky to play the PS3 in-person and I don't want to see it end up like the Dreamcast (the best console ever! Go Shenmue!) because I feel like it has potential to rival the 360. So I will stop on my "tyrades" and I will just let the PS3 talk for itself. Thanks guys for the feedback and sorry Joe for sounding like such a pompass a**hole because I'm really not trying to be. I just hope you see where I'm coming from.
Nice little Article Joe, but I think you may be drawing the wrong conclusions. Take the English football league for instance. Nowhere will you find a more devote "fanboy", loyal to their team. It's this passion for the sport that has made it, what it is today and Business are only too happy to cash in on this loyalty. Agreed these people are OTT about there nearest and dearest hobbie, but their passion for gaming is what we need. Business has never been better for the gaming industry (World Of Warcraft showing the potential for earnings from a well thoughtout game) due in no small part I imagine to sells from friends promoting the game to their mates (fanboy behaviour?). Speading the word (good and bad) generates interest, which inturn generates sales. In the is case I think we really need to "imbrace the Horror" and "let loose these dogs of war". Passion sells.;)
P.S Been reading these fine forums for a while now so was about time I signed up. Hello everyone, hope there's room for another old fart:D
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Alright Bauul, so you're saying that if anyone tries to speak up for the PS3, even if it's justified through a false statement, then they should be considered a fanboy?
Joe wrote a column to try and introduce himself to bit-tech. He wrote about console fanboys. He also mentioned Sony in a bad light (as usual) which was something I didn't think needed to be in there, so I felt I needed to speak up. He also said that fanboys say things that are irrational and not true, so I felt it was worth quoting something he said a few weeks ago that was irrational and not true. That's not ironic at all is it?
Secondly, I am bored either at work or school and I have the time to type such long replies. I have nothing else to do, but surf the web and browse through bit-tech and read articles. I also love to be active in the forums.
Thirdly, his article DID involve statements regarding the PS3 and because of his past statements I took the console that he was referring to as the biggest letdown, to be the PS3 and not the Wii, which he later corrected and I gladly thanked him for it.
Fourth, Joe himself is a fanboy of the Wii, so why aren't you giving him as much crap as me? Just like he can ridicule the Wii, I too can say that the PS3 is overpriced and due to the half-assed games, the small movie selection and without Playstation Home it is not worth the money at this time especially in the UK/EU. Remember, I live in the US and I have a different interpretation of the PS3, so it is kind of reflected in my comments which I am sorry for.
When everything is said and done: I am NOT a fanboy, just a guy with reason to keep the playing fields even and to not let spam hurt the PS3's or any other products' image just like I would stand up for the 360 if people said things that weren't true about it. So I'm sorry I have annoyed you Bauul, and I'm sad that you think I fit into Joe's definition of some low-life fanboy who thinks only one-sided and who has no other opinions that are based on fact/reason and that I am killing any product/franchise that I proudly support, whether verbally or contextually.
I'm getting tired of people like yourself who think people who actually have a grasp on the issue should just shut up and let the issues slide, even when people's opinions try to outweigh the facts.
In any case, I appreciate that the author seems to be talking more about the context of online communities than the radio drama or the play referenced, but it seemed sad to have such a negative association with our project when I know these radio dramas dont represent that particular type of fandom. To begin with, my co-creator and I both love and have long-term projects in radio and radio dramas independent of our love for CMI; so it was as a radio drama fan as much as a CMI fan that the idea of combining the two loves occurred to me.
My co-creator and I dont happen to actively participate in online forums (and I don't mean any disrespect by it; we're big fans of worldofmi.com, for example, and think they're a wonderful fan resource). Not one of the other voice actors had played the game before being cast, and most hadnt heard of it. We often encouraged their instincts when they differed from the character interpretations in the game, and had to cut a ton of beloved puzzles and dialogue, as well as add a lot of new material, to make the whole thing work as a radio drama. Im really proud of my partners additions to the script, actually; I think theyre genuinely faithful to the spirit of the game while serving the specific needs of the radio drama format.
So, based on my personal experience of trying to meet the challenges of this type of project, I suggest that the author consider an alternate perspective on this corner of fan activity. Adaptation, when successful anyway, is an act of both sacrifice and creation, of critical and imaginative thinking that addresses the standards of both the original format and the new one. As such, it is rather an antidote to the kind of narrow-minded obsession demonstrated by the so-called fanboys. I like to think that fan-artists, and of course those who appreciate such deviances from canon, dont pose a threat to innovation and rejuvenation in a franchise, but rather are the sort to welcome and encourage it.
All the best,
Sarah
http://johncusick.mypodcast.com/ :)
If I can take any copy of FFXII and goto any PS2 and it works, then if I take any copy of FF7 and take that to a PS2 and it works, why should it be any different on a PS3?
Firstly, I'd like to apologise to CurseRadio. I didn't mean to imply that the radio show would damage the Monkey Island franchise. I've actually listened to more of it over the weekend and I really love it. My point only was that people going on about games in that way may end up ruining the games for themselves by getting their hopes up too high, the same is true of people who make unofficial sequels. I myself have made fanart etc for Monkey Island, so i understand your response. Sorry if I offended your very good radio drama. I like your definition of yourself as fan-artists and not fanboys, it essentially illustrates what I was trying to say.
As for the column, I can write it about whatever I want. There were a lot of plans for what the article could be about and, as I said before, I did try to write an intro piece about myself but didn't want to give readers useless information about me. It's not about my ego, and if I want to remain private then I have that choice.
I'm not a wii-fanboy, thats why I almost wrote the article about hwo the wii is failing for hardcore gamers. It's not that the Wii has failed to meet my expectations, it's just that I as a solo, hardcore gamer, don't get my solo, hardcore needs fulfilled as much as I do with a PC or other console.
Lastly, the point is that fanboys (not fan-artists) may end up turning popular opinion against themselves with their attitudes. It's a plausible thing to say. If a neutral person comes along and someone tries to ram an Xbox down his throat, that person may end up choking and not liking Xboxes. Everytime a fanboy goes on a tirade, this is what they essentially do.
Lastly, everyone should go listen to the Curse of Monkey Island radio drama. It really is very very good, as is the play which I plan to finish watching with my girlfriend over the weekend. I'm not ordering you to that though - it's just a suggestion ;)
Lol, ok look, I'm really not trying for an argument, and I'll freely admit it was late and thus comments are usually more blunt than would be freely acceptable. I was actually trying to be as objective as possible: I'm not an 360 fanboy, or a Wii fanboy, or a PS3 fanboy, or really anything fanboy related when it comes to consoles, they don't interest me all that much simply due to the nature of the machines they are and the games they are catered for (i.e., not FPS or Strategy).
However, I, like many, many other people, do get aggravated by fanboyism for anything really, especially when it's unwarranted. Unfortunately for the PS3, they have far more than their fair share of fanboyism. As such, when someone starts sticking up for the PS3, people often immediately take it be fanboyism, even when potentially it isn't.
However, what you have been saying, I'm sorry to say, really does come across as fanboyism. I'm not trying to needlessly have a go at you, just letting you know. Joe was using the PS3 as an example of a product who's reputation has been damaged by fanboys, which is perfectly true and I no-one can deny it. What I meant by the fact you've demonstrated this perfectly was that you sticking up for the PS3 in such an aggressive manner has made me like the PS3 just a little bit less. Can't you see by getting so defensive about it, you're not going to convince anyone to suddenly like the PS3, they're not going to go "omg, Devil's right, how did I not see this before?", they're just going to sigh and dislike the PS3 and its fans even more. Personally, I have nothing against the PS3, it's a good console that does what it says on the tin, what I do have issues with is Sony (who doesn't?) and people who overly aggressively stick up for it.
Ah enough of this, this isn't going anywhere and we'd have more success at proving/disproving God than reaching a consensus at this. In conclusion, all I was trying to say is that Joe pointed out that aggressive fanboyism turns people away from the product they're sticking up for, something that this very discussion has aptly demonstrated. So yeah, enough of this, lets move on to a less tired topic that we might actually reach a consensus about.
So, fast zombies, ala 28 Days Later, Dawn of the Dead remake etc.
A natural evolution of the undead form, or a gross misrepresentation of the classic zombie image? Discuss! :D
Actually it's simply because the people who became zombies, all came from a rave where they all had taken speed :D
Did you bring this up just because you know I'm a fanboy of all things Zombie? Nevermind, shut up and prepare for the impending zombie apocalypse!
And be realistic Joe, I've been preparing for the impending zombie apocolypse for years now, even got my own Go Bag ready and everything!
Peace.
I'll go where the games i want to play are.... who cares about who makes what.
On the other hand, Nintendo have a very good customer service reputation.
Sony generally don't.
P.S Been reading these fine forums for a while now so was about time I signed up. Hello everyone, hope there's room for another old fart:D