bit-tech.net | Don't Upgrade Now; Quad-Core is coming soon

Renoir 30th July 2006, 14:21

No worries mate I've made far worse decisions :D . Just call it a lesson for the future :) . Haven't looked at the prices for the 840 but you should be able to break even on it without much trouble.

DXR_13KE 30th July 2006, 16:15

RyGuy FFS dont buy a asrock, i have one and when i am done with it its going to a box i have labeled "abortos", abortions in english, it will make a good company to my pinnacle TV card, as for a cpu and mobo, buy a good quality mobo with good reviews and that suits you and has future expansions possiblities, buy a core 2 duo, even if it is the low end one, it is fast and cheap and consumes less power that a AMD cpu of the same low end and it runs cooler.

pentium 4 based chips are dead for me, i have one and i hate it, it heats up like a toaster, one day i will try to make toasts with it.

Renoir 30th July 2006, 18:26

DXR_13KE, he says he's on a budget and wants to use the same ram so unless that stance changes the core 2 duo isn't an option. As for the asrock board I can't say one way or another whether it's good or bad quality but I think he first needs to decide if he's gonna keep the 840 or sell it and go for an x2 before deciding on a mobo which we can help with ;)

Renoir 30th July 2006, 18:31

The ASUS P5VDC-MX is pci express so unless you wanted to use the integrated graphics (worse than your current gpu) you'd have to buy a new graphics card. Is that an option? If so tell us just what you are willing to replace/upgrade and what you aren't as well as your budget and I'm sure that would allow us to help you more effectively :)

DXR_13KE 30th July 2006, 20:05

Renoir you are correct on the budget, but my advice is RyGuy should not buy a "cheap cr*p board" like i did and i am very sad because of it, my parts have 1/2 performance on it (i tested my system with a asus mobo and it raped my current system with the cheap mobo).
save some extra money and buy a good board.

and Renoir dont double post, if you need to change the data on your post use the edit button. :D

Renoir 30th July 2006, 21:38

DXR_13KE, Couldn't agree more on the mobo. If you're gonna spend a bit extra on any of your components it may as well be your mobo. Just needs to decide what platform to go for then we can help him out with making a good mobo choice as it's important as you know from experience :)

As for double posting I'm officially a Chump!!! Will "edit" in future ;)

RyGuy 31st July 2006, 07:48

Yeah, I don't have enough dough for a Conroe. Buying the latest technology isn't the best option for someone like me. I'm more than likely going to go with the 3800+ X2. Yes, I've decided to sell the P4, based on what you guys have told me about it. My computer is in your hands! You must not fail! haha Anyway, yeah, I want to get the ASRock simply because all I want to upgrade right now is my motherboard and CPU. I'm currently using AGP for my video card, DDR for my RAM and ATA for my HDs. I can't afford to upgrade any of those 3 things.

DXR_13KE 31st July 2006, 12:42

if you buy an asrock, 2 weeks later you will be very sorry you got it, 2 months later you will rip it out and buy a new mobo.

Renoir 31st July 2006, 13:41

No pressure then :)

You could keep all of those things you mentioned and still get a better mobo than the Asrock. As I've said I don't know if the Asrock is good or bad but DXR_13KE seems pretty adamant it's not the way to go. He may have just been unlucky but there should be plenty of other options. Now that you've decided on a socket 939 x2 3800 I'll have a look and see if I can find some decent mobo's that fit your requirements.

Ramble 31st July 2006, 14:48

I don't know about everyone else here; but an extra two cores would probabily be a godsend for me, I bet i'd notice the extra power.

RyGuy 31st July 2006, 15:05

DXR, is it possible you just got a bad board? :|

Tim S 31st July 2006, 15:40

Can we take the component discussion to the hardware forum now?

Thanks.

RyGuy 31st July 2006, 15:59

Sorry, Tim. Didn't mean to be annoying. I moved it to a new thread, located here.

Tim S 31st July 2006, 17:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by RyGuy
Sorry, Tim. Didn't mean to be annoying. I moved it to a new thread, located here.

I'm not suggesting that - just saying that I feel that the topic has gone away from its original discussion and on to component talk/ASRock motherboards. ;)

Asphix 7th August 2006, 20:12

Dont mean to beat a dead horse here but found this article today that will shed some light on a possible future for 4+ core systems. Will be interesting to see what else is developed that will put abundant core counts to good use. I've got high hopes for multi-core cpus and really do see a plausable future in it.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060805-7430.html

findme 8th August 2006, 09:51

i say just get core 2 right now because no one knows the prices kentsfield is comming at.
if your gonna say dont upgrade to core 2 then thats like saying just wait a few more months and quad core will come out; heck wait a "Few" more months after quad core comes out and you have something else thats new. then you have amd probably comming out with something good next year. this is my first time building a computer. i got a processor equal to the fx-62 amd athlon flagship for less than the price. something i wanted and i think most people wanted.

i upgrade only when i need to. i would hope others do the same.
3 years ago: 3000+xp athlon socket A with intergrated graphics w/ 250 w psu. 14' crt flatscreen

today: E6400 core 2 duo with an all in wonder x1900 w/ 500w psu modular cabling. 20.1' widescreen lcd.

2-3 more years i will be back here again and lets see how good those quad cores are.

of course a 4 core system is good but since core 2 just came out wouldnt kentsfield processors be about double the price? now to include if the boards that are out right now dont work for it you will be spending some good cash.
if intel puts out quad core processors by this year they will lose money if any computer
building places such as dell and the other ones uses them.

core 2 duo is for the people who want a processor that is an fx-62 without spending all the money. reminding myself once i remember how much an amd athlon 5000+ dual core am 2 was worth... was it somewhere around the core 2 duo?

someone post prices on what the kentsfield processor will be worth haha. ( and see if it fits a 1300-1500 budget)

2-3 years til im back in the waiting game! ( and its probably gonna take me that long to save up that much money on another computer while asking for christmas and birthday gifts. :) )
gg

Asphix 8th August 2006, 17:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by findme
i say just get core 2 right now because no one knows the prices kentsfield is comming at.
if your gonna say dont upgrade to core 2 then thats like saying just wait a few more months and quad core will come out; heck wait a "Few" more months after quad core comes out and you have something else thats new. then you have amd probably comming out with something good next year. this is my first time building a computer. i got a processor equal to the fx-62 amd athlon flagship for less than the price. something i wanted and i think most people wanted.

i upgrade only when i need to. i would hope others do the same.
3 years ago: 3000+xp athlon socket A with intergrated graphics w/ 250 w psu. 14' crt flatscreen

today: E6400 core 2 duo with an all in wonder x1900 w/ 500w psu modular cabling. 20.1' widescreen lcd.

2-3 more years i will be back here again and lets see how good those quad cores are.

of course a 4 core system is good but since core 2 just came out wouldnt kentsfield processors be about double the price? now to include if the boards that are out right now dont work for it you will be spending some good cash.
if intel puts out quad core processors by this year they will lose money if any computer
building places such as dell and the other ones uses them.

core 2 duo is for the people who want a processor that is an fx-62 without spending all the money. reminding myself once i remember how much an amd athlon 5000+ dual core am 2 was worth... was it somewhere around the core 2 duo?

someone post prices on what the kentsfield processor will be worth haha. ( and see if it fits a 1300-1500 budget)

2-3 years til im back in the waiting game! ( and its probably gonna take me that long to save up that much money on another computer while asking for christmas and birthday gifts. :) )
gg

Dual cores been out for a while actually.. about a year if not slightly longer... and if quad core comes out anything near to what dual core was released in terms of compeditive pricing.. you'll be looking at generally simiilar prices for dual vs. quad.

Right now the rumor is that the only quad that will be released this fall will be an XE.. If thats true and there arent any non xtreme edition versions released.. then it wont be a viable option.

You're certainly right... if you're ready to buy right now, its a great time to buy... but its important to be aware that quad core is around the corner. For someone like me, who has an 805d and is just waiting for Core 2 to saturate before taking the plunge.. waiting till quad core seems attractive.

And yes, technology moves fast.. but going from a core based dual core solution to a 4x core based solution in around or under 6 months is a trend that is a bit more aggressive than we're used to seeing.

imkeller 9th August 2006, 22:59

Quad-core, wow. What an age to live in :D

stefien 13th September 2006, 18:43

This may be a dead thread, but hopefully someone will see this. Like most of the posters here, I'm weighing the benefits of upgrading my PC to the Core 2 Duo. I'm not a heavy gamer, but when I do go out and buy the latest game that catches my eye, I prefer that it not stagger all over the screen during the cinema sequences.

I'm trying to figure out what processor I should get if I want to get something that can hold me over for the next several years. With that in mind, I know I need to get something extremely powerful considering the pace of technology nowadays. But HOW powerful? Yeah, yeah, I know. The question is relative right?

Here's my thought process: I see three potential options a) upgrade my current mobo as far as it will go and try to hold out until the quad-core processors come out and see if it drops the price of the core 2 duo's and buy then. b) upgrade my current mobo and buy the quad core processor when it comes out assuming they're not stupid expensive or c) break down and get the core 2 duo now.

So I guess my questions are a) do you think that the quad-core processors will cause a price drop or will they just price them far and above what the going costs are? And b) If I can hold out until then, is there any reason I should buy now?

DeX 13th September 2006, 20:24

My feelings are that the intel quad cores are going to be massively expensive. They are bringing them out as soon as they can so they can get another one up on AMD but even so those who actually buy them will most likely be enthusiasts and server builders. Given that Intel have got a nice slice of the pie off the recent Core 2 Duo launch it is unlikely they will so quickly succeed them with something potentially twice as good. That's why I don't think you should expect them to be anywhere near the prices the current Core 2 Duos are at.

Tim S 13th September 2006, 20:37

I think the first quad-core will cost you $999, just like the X6800 does at the moment. :)

day0 10th October 2006, 22:06

Great, I had so much fun reading this thread. My first post here this is too. I've been reading bit-tech for some time now. I've been building pcs and servers for well over 10 years. I remember when the 486DX3 (99.9 Mhz) was all the rage and people were arguing about 'overkill' then too. That was 1996. It's the same age old argument 11 years later.

All any of you old timers need to remember (actually, I'm only 35, but 10 years in I.T. speak is ancient) in this thread is that 640k is enough for anyone!

Thanks for a great forum, interesting takes on the coolest toys, and just an all around great site!

day0

Cthippo 10th October 2006, 22:52

Welcome abouard, day0. Glad to have another old fart here :p

Darren9075 1st November 2006, 17:20

to be honest guys, this is a bad time to buy i believe, in a few months you will be able to buy cheaper products AND have a decent upgrade path, thats something that hasnt happend for along time in the intel world!

If you wait for kentsfield to get released then buy a conroe + supporting motherboard, you will not only get a really good system cheaper but the upgrade path is also there for quad.

Nothing is going to seriously stress your system to the point of making conroes obsolete in the near future, so, wait a bit for kentsfield to hit the shops, then buy a conroe real cheap, when yorkfield gets released you can then get a kentsfield if you need the power, WITHOUT having to buy a new motherboard, i suspect yorkfield will need a new motherboard sadly.

On top of that, DX10 hardware will work with it as well, so there you can either wait a bit longer and buy a much cheaper DX9 card an upgrade later, or go the whole hog an get a DX10 as soon as!

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