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Tim S 17th April 2006, 10:20 Quote
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Originally Posted by Lazarus Dark
console-not upgradable
pc-upgradable

console-games come as-is
pc-games are modable, patchable, etc.

console-overpriced limited functionality controllers
pc-any input device i can find (even touchscreen monitor)

console-720p max so far (interlaced output should be banned)
pc-up to 2560x1600 or more if you want to use multiple monitors

hmmm...pc wins i think
games on the XBox 360 (with the hard drive) are patchable.
whisperwolf 17th April 2006, 10:28 Quote
There is also the fact that on a console Multi player everyone is on a level playing field, there's no better graphics card for a couple of extra FPS, there are no little "tweaks" to make aiming easier etc. Everyone has the same experience of the same product. And to be honest I like being able to not have to patch a game to death.
logan 17th April 2006, 11:11 Quote
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Originally Posted by Lazarus Dark
console-not upgradable
pc-upgradable
That's one of the best things about a console in my opinion. You know that every game you buy is going to look and play as well on your hardware as anyone elses.

If i see screenshots/video of a forthcoming game I know that's exactly how it's going to look and play - unlike the 640x480 stutter-fest that was F.E.A.R. when I first tried playing it on my system - prior to a costly upgrade.

And it's amazing what happens when developers are forced to produce games for the same hardware for 5+ years... They get pretty damned good at it. Play Black on the Xbox or Res Evil 4 on Gamecube and tell me I'm wrong.

Oh and consoles are sometimes upgradeable... N64 Memory expansion anyone? :D
John2048MB 17th April 2006, 11:54 Quote
I'd say I'm a half-half. I enjoy how consoles never go out of date with the games-they must always comply to the hardware. No upgradeing the hardware and such. And when the hardware becomes too much of a limitation, the developers strive to optimise the experience. Halo 2 must be a good example. It's a georgeous looking game running on relatively old hardware. Black is also being developed for the xbox and anyone that has seen the screenshots would've drooled. If black were being made for the PC, probably a lot of people would have had to upgrade their 1 year old computer hardware, just to play a game at a decent resoloution.

The multiplayer system on it is quite well-integrated, in my opinion, even though there are a myraid of modders and the occasional racist or xenophobic the ruins part of the experience, Live has some very cool people on it. The friends list can be accessed without the dreaded 'alt tab', or so to speak, and messages easily are left or sent The feedback system also helps a lot in banning cheaters, even though it isnt an instant thing.

And yes, consoles are relatively cheap, for what you get.

PC's, on the other hand, are in constant need of updating/grading and at risk of being infected with malicious software. The graphical elements of games on the PC are admittedly better and improvements to the game(modifications) are creatable by fans and alike. It offers more expansionability for games. Counter-strike must be the classic example.

There are certain types of games that dont offer the best experience possible when playing on a console. Aiming with joypad while playing an FPS (as Wil said) is a different,but not a bad experience. The controls of a generic PC game are generally more customizable and easier to control (can you say, wasd?). Consoles dont really offer te amount of customization that PC games offer. While this may be a limitation, others find it a blessing. They just start up the game and play.

I'm looking to buy the x360 for the famed hitchless onLive experience, if not for the games themselves.
CountStiltzkin 17th April 2006, 12:05 Quote
I'm up for a bit of BF2...of course, I'll have to go buy it first but I've been waiting for an excuse.

At the moment I can't justify buying a 360, the games are just too expensive (I already have a decent pc so the 360 vs expensive hardware argument is void). Speaking of pricey 360 games my mates dad walked into a charity shop the other day and found a copy of PGR3 for £2 (which he assumed was a demo). Nope. Full game. Bit mean spirited he didn't tell them it was worth more!
Touchwood 17th April 2006, 13:42 Quote
I Agree
Splynncryth 17th April 2006, 15:20 Quote
Some interesting points in the article. I have been wondering the future fate of PC gaming with the price of a decent gaming PC rising as they are. Console prices are doing the same, but I can still by a console for less than a weeks pay. A gaming PC is more on the order of months of pay.

Here is my analogy, the supercar vs the superbike. Both go fast, the right ones handle well, and arefun to own. But the superbike has a much nicer price point. I'm starting to feen the same way about gaming PCs vs consoles. Right now, it seesm the PC market has a number of gamers willing to pay just about anything for their rigs, but I wonder how long the market can sustain this.
Consoles have their problems, but should the PC fan base get displaced and find itself using consoles, the demand for a decent FPS control system and game mods *should* cause the market to change. Look at online gaming on the xbox consoles now, and consider Microsoft's releasing what looks like a reasonable SDK for xbox development.

I'm not saying it will happen, only that the potental now exsists that it could happen, both from a technical and economic standpoint.
<A88> 17th April 2006, 17:41 Quote
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Originally Posted by Lazarus Dark
console-not upgradable
pc-upgradable
Consoles perform the task they need to perfectly well for years, and don't need upgrading, just replacing.
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console-games come as-is
pc-games are modable, patchable, etc.
What Biggles said + more attention is put into the final release of a console game because patching isn't as prominant as it is in PC games, so the developers are more focussed on 'getting it right' first time. And don't forget- PCs get infected, crash an awful lot more and require an OS before you can even think about putting games on them.
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console-overpriced limited functionality controllers
pc-any input device i can find (even touchscreen monitor)
Yes, that's true, although you're making up for the money saved on the console when you purchase a controller. Also, the quality of the input devices on a console is, in my opinion, usually far greater than the PC alternatives (unless of course you take the USB Xbox 360 controller). Keyboard + Mouse setups would make FPS games much easier on a console, but when you consider that they were designed for living rooms, sometimes with many people jammed on a sofa playing at once, the 'one controller does everything' solution seems a little more sensible. Don't forget of course, whilst PC controllers are cheaper, you often need a wider range of them than on a console controller.
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console-720p max so far (interlaced output should be banned)
pc-up to 2560x1600 or more if you want to use multiple monitors
So whilst your Xbox360 is guaranteed to run any game you put in there at 720p, you'd need a terribly pricey SLI setup to get any game to play 1/2 smooth 2560x1600 on a PC. Whilst the ultimate hardcore gamer might still prefer to spend 4-5x as much on a higher res solution, consoles aren't designed for people like them, they're designed to be an all-in-one, simple solution to playing games without the worry of getting a virus or have to upgrade your graphics card every 6months.

<A88>
Tim S 17th April 2006, 18:48 Quote
You forgot that there's only one platform to code for on a console (as such)... there are thousands if not millions of diifferent "platforms" for developers to cater for on the PC front. ;)

Multiple OS's, multiple graphics cards, multiple memory configs, multiple processor types/speeds and that's only touching the edge. How many of those operating systems are using the same build of the OS they're using, with all of the latest security patches installed?
Nezuji 18th April 2006, 07:29 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lazarus Dark
console-not upgradable
pc-upgradable

console-games come as-is
pc-games are modable, patchable, etc.

console-overpriced limited functionality controllers
pc-any input device i can find (even touchscreen monitor)

console-720p max so far (interlaced output should be banned)
pc-up to 2560x1600 or more if you want to use multiple monitors

hmmm...pc wins i think
What A88 said.

Console - Games work first time, every time, and look as good as they should on every system.
PC - I'm not sure that I've EVER had a PC game work (or in some cases even install properly) first time, except for Flash stuff.

Console - Malware?
PC - Malware. Especially when you're installing patches and mods.

Console - Controllers all work alike (there is such a thing as third-party if you think that the official kit is overpriced).
PC - Crossed fingers that the drivers for your new input gizmo work properly on your system, and with your game.

Console - Made the most of fixed resolutions, such as having things like full-screen AA and full reflections as standard streets ahead of PC kit.
PC - A recent trend seems to be for developers to develop for imaginary vapour-ware computers from the future so they can have the sexiest-looking screenshots possible on the box. Hope you don't have any life outside of your PC (or scads of cash) if you want to afford the upgrades.

Seems like a swings and roundabouts situation to me.

Nezuji :)
CountStiltzkin 18th April 2006, 10:43 Quote
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However, I will definitely be buying a Revolution on launch day, just because it's so different, and something my PC can't do...

www.plastk.net - the guy's playing quake3 with a gyro mouse thing, looks fun!

With the whole 360 vs pc price point argument I reckon in the end the price probably evens out: folks buying a PC anyway who know they will want to game on it will spend the extra £300 or whatever to buy a decent gaming rig, which is around the price of a 360.
Da Dego 19th April 2006, 16:19 Quote
I must say, I agree with much of this in *theory*. But the step forward with HTPCs has made me love consoles less and less. As emulation becomes more potent and more software is released simultaneously for PC and Console, I've just got less use for a console.

For those who talk about playing in their living room... a wireless keyboard and mouse hookup allow just the same thing, and in my opinion that's MUCH preferred to a console. Hook your computer into your TV and blast away....but also get all the added benefits that an HTPC has to offer. Is it more expensive? You bet. But it also does the job of your entire bit of kit that sits underneath your TV now.

I dunno...in a lot of ways, the games I loved to play in front of the TV are gone now, off to the land of emulators (as it's almost difficult to find a working NES system anymroe). But I can fire up my HTPC and play with a wireless joypad....and play every game I ever liked, from NES to PS1, and PS2 is getting better. Most things out on XB360 I can buy for a PC. But when I'm done, I can fire up a movie that's stored on my hard drive, or the latest episode of "thief" that I recorded from the other night.

I'll care more about 'next gen' consoles when the games they offer have no real equivalent on PC. For instance, Katamari, or Culdcept. But by that time, there will be emulators for them. :D
Asphix 19th April 2006, 21:48 Quote
I enjoyed this article a lot and agree on many levels.

I have an x360.. it was my major return to the console arena after the SNES. Dont get me wrong I played Ps1, Ps2, N64, Xbox and all those.. quite frequently actually. But It was always either my brothers, a roomates or a friends.

As is with you (and many people) I find that after working all day in front of a PC, hanging out on a couch is where I want to be. I cant say I like a controller more than a mouse and keyboard.. but its a sacrifice I'm willing to make in order to maximize comfort and relaxation. If only a console would come out with a keyboard/mouse combo like the Phantom had planned :(.

Oblivion actually works really well with a controller as its not crucial to have pinpoint accuracy.

Once the new chip platforms are released I'm hoping to upgrade my PC again. Its been nearly four years! I'm one of thsoe people who drop 3k on a computer and use it for the long haul with minmal upgrades. My computer still runs games, but not very well (p4 3.0ghz, Nvidia 5900 Ultra, 2BG ram). Already saving up now and hopefully this fall/winter I'll have around 4,000 for a complete upgrade (i want a 24" widescreen LCD as well) to enjoy all those great RTS's planned as well as all the other great PC games I see coming around the corner. Then my current system can retire to a full-time MCPC with some minimal upgrades :)

Just a quick comment to degos point that HTPC's and PC hookups to TV's making consoles obsolete.. thats true, but a PC will never have the "plug n' play" ease of use nor the fully integrated design and feel where every function has a purpose in line with what it was designed for that you get with consoles. I do see your point and agree.. my next PC rig will have a hookup to my TV so I have the option to play from my couch if I want (gotta love monocable.com) However that doesnt negate the place of the console in the living room just yet as they still provide very different experiences to the general user.

Back on track, yes.. x360 is an awesome piece of hardware. I fully recommend it and I have the feeling we're going to be blown away at e3 this year.
The Corporate Nerd 19th April 2006, 21:51 Quote
Now there's finally enough of the damn things so that you can go in and just buy one off the shelves without having to spend £500 on ludicrous bundles from Ebay



So true. I felt like doing this after a while :(
BobCobb 20th April 2006, 06:44 Quote
Different strokes for different folks. There are advantages and disadvantages, percieved or real, to both consoles and PCs.

Personally I am a PC enthusiast and a CS major, so PC gaming naturally takes precedence. Some may be console gamers, and their habits reflect that. Neither consoles nor PCs are going away any time soon, so theres no need to argue. Everyone can get along and enjoy themselves, it is the glory that is variety.

Saying that, consoles make gaming available to people that could not afford high-end PCs, but alot fo you forget that you don't need a high-end brand new PC to play even games like FEAR. Sure the graphics won't be set to the max, but the advantages of the keyboard and mouse make up for that. And PCs are much more versatile and serve many more functions than consoles.

In the end, if the only reason you need a magic box is to play games, consoles are probably your best bet. But if you enjoy the thousands of things you can do with a PC, that is the way to go.

If consoles want to overtake PCs in popularity for gaming, it will take alot of innovation and open standards in the development of hardware as well as software. I just don't see that happening any time soon.

On that note, I look forward to the Revolution. If I buy a next-gen console, that will most likely be it. Innovation will become more and more important as the graphical limits are hit.
Blademrk 4th June 2006, 11:49 Quote
Keyboards will work with the 360, just not the way most people want them to work.
You can use a keyboard to enter text anywhere that the on-screen keyboard can -
You might not be able to game with them, but I'd still advise to have one plugged in simply as they're so much better/easier/quicker to use than the on-screen keyboard widget.



OT: I thought I saw Mr Haz in an issue (Feb) of OXM a few months back on the gamer face page (37).
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