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yodasarmpit 7th October 2005, 11:33 Quote
Linux has come a long way, but the big problem is trying to make the switch, when you have become so used to how windows works its hard to think of an OS working in a slightly different way.
If we had been brought up on Linux I'm sure we would feel the same about trying to switch to Windows.
I gather that those that persevere with Linux end up loving it, and I may even give it another try myself sometime, I did try Fedora once before, but gave up because everything was just so much easier in Windows (due to the fact I'd spent years using it)

For the average user Linux is not really an option at the moment, as Windows does evreything they want it to do easily.
Tomm 7th October 2005, 11:39 Quote
I've just got myself a mac and it's so intuitive and nice that I really don't see why more people don't use it. Everything just works. I plugged my USB mouse in and there are right clicks, no need to worry there. It's so much easier to use than windows, but there's plenty for the "power user" to get stuck into also.

Fair enough as a gaming machine, macs aren't really up to the job, but for everyone that doesn't game the mac is a very real option. Like the columnist, I never got on with Linux, but OSX is just lovely in comparison to Windows. The only question now is do I sell my PC?
Lynx 7th October 2005, 12:01 Quote
I have been running Linux for the past 18 months and while I will never go back to Windows I am getting more and more frustrated with Linux as a desktop system. I am shortly about to buy a 12" Powerbook and then make a SFF FreeBSD server to act as a back up/file server e.t.c.

I do have to disagree with your opinion on the console. A working console is a god send and is increadibly useful.

I think I am taking a journey many have and will take from Windows to Linux to BSD (OSX)
kickarse 7th October 2005, 14:02 Quote
The problem I've always had with the Mac isn't that it just works but when it's broken its a pain in the ass
lord nicon21 7th October 2005, 14:04 Quote
i don't find Fedora that best i like "ubuntu" thats great ;)
Da Dego 7th October 2005, 14:15 Quote
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Originally Posted by kickarse
The problem I've always had with the Mac isn't that it just works but when it's broken its a pain in the ass
Awww, come on...you get SO much help from the frownie-face. :p Nothing like a complete lack of diagnostic tools to help you get things back up and rolling in a jiffy.

Seriously, though...stick to it, Chris, let us know how you end up liking it. I toy with the idea of making the switch all the time. The feature I love MOST is that the command line is so integrated, because frankly I end up using the "run" command as much as I do my GUI in windows, and it drives me nuts. The part that scares me all the time is that damn "compile the kernel" and such, and also whether I can honestly run my games, which is harder on linux.
Petor 7th October 2005, 14:19 Quote
i recently installed Fedora core 4. i was for the most part happy with it, but it just didnt do it for me. i like it but i prefered suse and went back to that.

also slackware is pretty awesome. :D

and yeah sure its hard to give up windows but all it takes is for you to get used to linux once you have its all good. its just like running windows but different... you know what i mean

same difference.... :)
Gushy 7th October 2005, 14:23 Quote
of all the distributions, ubuntu has to be my favourite for new users. I always put them on fedora before, but ubuntu really does just work. And having apt-get/synaptic is far better than yum.

Hell I've even moved over to ubunut and I've been a hardcore gentoo user for years.
Jordanis3r 7th October 2005, 14:42 Quote
I just don't get the linux/apple argument, why swap from windows? its easy, it works,its supported - simple

it's almost as if you are trying to go out of your way to prove a point to yourself that anything apart from windows is better/easier/faster/etc?

i myself have toyed with apple and linux in differenet flavours and understand them both to a certain degree, however I always use windows, notably xp pro ... roll on vista!

stick with what you know - change isn't always for the best :D
yodasarmpit 7th October 2005, 14:51 Quote
What always got me was why make the switch when I've gotten used to Windows and it does everything I want it to, what does it offer me that Windows doesn’t?
I do think about running Linux and have given it a short try, I wouldn't imagine making a complete switch, but maybe running a Linux box next to my Windows one.

I need to keep Windows for gaming, so I would be using Linux for surfing, downloading, email, chat, irc, image work, word processing/spreadsheet work, watching movies, listening to music all of which Window does very well.
Will Linux do it better, with more ease than Windows, more user friendly, just what would be the main incentive for making the switch?

I’m so stuck in my ways I think.
3.5SE 7th October 2005, 15:31 Quote
Cough*&$ Cough&#@ "Bit Torrent" Cough&%$ Cough&** "OSX x86" Cough&*#@ Cough@$%
Sim0n 7th October 2005, 15:48 Quote
**cough cough splutter** you obviously havent tried to install it, and realised theres no drivers, and it crashes more than a blind formula one driver **cough cough*
Jordanis3r 7th October 2005, 15:51 Quote
os x86? hmm older games support? hmm didn't think so - besides I expect to see Vista first ...
acidfire 7th October 2005, 17:14 Quote
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Originally Posted by Jordanis3r
os x86? hmm older games support? hmm didn't think so - besides I expect to see Vista first ...


Your kidding right? How long have we been waiting for longhorn now? :(
What do you mean by older games support? Personally, as much as I detest windows I'm stuck to it, like a 16yr old with a stack of porn :) I've played with mandriva but I haven't tried these others, so I guess I'm back to violating my bandwidth restrictions again :D And as much as the interface frustrates me, I know that I'll grab OSx86 so that I can test pages and flash on different operating systems.

The really sad thing is, when a new version of windows is released, there's an unspoken competition as to who can break it first (BSOD Baby!)
3.5SE 7th October 2005, 17:55 Quote
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Originally Posted by Sim0n
**cough cough splutter** you obviously havent tried to install it, and realised theres no drivers, and it crashes more than a blind formula one driver **cough cough*

Haven't installed it yet personally. Haz can give it a try without having to shell out for a Mac. If he likes it then why not buy the Mac he was thinking of buying. It could potentially give him the test drive he was looking for.
kiljoi 7th October 2005, 18:07 Quote
Myself, the only reason I still have a windows box is for games. I don't want to buy a game "that I may be able to get to work in an emulator if I reconfigure the system." I'll install it on windows and play it in 10 mins. If only more games were developed for/ported too linux, I think it would have a very strong position as a switch-able OS.
FIBRE+ 7th October 2005, 18:22 Quote
XP is fine on my pc, never really crahes and everything works...

In all fairness I used to be a format'aholic but its not much bother, ive started using Ghost now so I just get a nice install then ghost it, if I get any probs then a fire the image up, its a bit of a pain if you change hardware tho as you have to repair the xp install just to get the correct drivers on. I've mannaged to cut down to a few formats a year now :)

I want to try Linux but never got around to it, might have to give it a go some time, Im fairly happy with Windows as ive got used to the shortfalls, the only time Ive had a virus is from 'downloads' or people using my accepting them on messenger.

Most of the time if you pick the right hardware (or get lucky) and look after your os and software you dont have too many problems.


Heres my question, if you buy the latest Mac do you get a faultless experience?

I would agree there better than off the shelf pc's but when ive compared them to self built pc's with hand picked components they dont compare, especially when you put the prices next to eachother :p (I used them for a couple o' years at Uni).

Everything has its flaws but it depends on how they effect you, we all have different needs and expectations so something that may be a right pain in the a_se for one person may be irrelavent to another person.

So cant you request one for a long term test? (blog style?). Bit-tech is a well respected site/community so it would make sense for them to lend you one, if you like it you may even be able to convert some of us to the dark I mean light side :)

This prob all a loada crapola so please excuse me ;)
-EVRE- 7th October 2005, 19:14 Quote
Those of you who get aggravated at windows, im assuming your running windows xp/me/98.
I have been running windows 2000 since release and love it, and I will stick with it until it wont support my games. Windows 2000 is one microsoft just got right! I would run windows 2000 on my laptop but I cant get all the drivers for the hardware.
Every time I have tried xp, I end up cursing it.

Im all for Linux, when it can run my games.
:: kna :: 7th October 2005, 19:25 Quote
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Originally Posted by Jordanis3r
I just don't get the linux/apple argument, why swap from windows? its easy, it works,its supported - simple

it's almost as if you are trying to go out of your way to prove a point to yourself that anything apart from windows is better/easier/faster/etc
Read the original article linked in the column, it explains the issue.
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Originally Posted by 3.5SE
Haven't installed it yet personally. Haz can give it a try without having to shell out for a Mac. If he likes it then why not buy the Mac he was thinking of buying. It could potentially give him the test drive he was looking for.
I'm not Haz.

Finally, OSX86 a) only runs on a particular set up of hardware which I don't have and b) is illegal anyway so I have no intention of trying it.

Like I also said in the article, this isn't about wanting OSX, it's about trying to live without windows. As a short update, WINE actually works very well which means any applications I can't get Linux equivalents for I should be able to work with.
NoMercy 7th October 2005, 20:32 Quote
I don't have a beard, but I do believe if you don't want to use the command line, you shouln't really concider linux as a operating system.

Though I guess I have to accept the large numbers of people comming to linux as a windows alternative, since they bring the games with them :)
zr_ox 7th October 2005, 21:24 Quote
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Originally Posted by Jordanis3r
I just don't get the linux/apple argument, why swap from windows? its easy, it works,its supported - simple

it's almost as if you are trying to go out of your way to prove a point to yourself that anything apart from windows is better/easier/faster/etc?

i myself have toyed with apple and linux in differenet flavours and understand them both to a certain degree, however I always use windows, notably xp pro ... roll on vista!

stick with what you know - change isn't always for the best :D

Ahh finally someone who agree's with me. To be honest I think the majority of this anti "Microsoft" debate is "Geek Snobery". Its not like running OS Tiger or Fedora is the key to the pearly gate of Geek Heaven. It's great to experiment, but so many anti-microsoft rants are becoming boring. The majority of people complain about Microsoft prices are already running hacked/cracked microsoft software anyway, instead of actually installing Linux. So many complain about XP's poor stability, if they cant get XP stable then I seriously doubt they can handle Linux to be honest. It's so funny to see screen shot's of the XP start button edit which say "XP Sucks" and the like. Any OS has the potential to suck if you dont know what you are doing.

I say go Bill...It's a business and what an empire he has built! Vista is shaping up to be quite interesting.

Its a great article, showing how easy it is to baby step your way into Linux. Maybe you could do an article on Virtual PC 2004. I use it to run Mandrake and Xandros in Windows (downloading fedora now). That would really help people understand Linux without any major system ammendments.
Kipman725 8th October 2005, 17:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by lord nicon21
i don't find Fedora that best i like "ubuntu" thats great ;)

ubuntu ftw best linux distor I have used :D

btw if you dig deep enough into windows you still fins the technical complexity, windows still mounts hard disks ect. you just don't have to deal with it on a daily basis. The problem is if windows breaks as it does for no aparent reason somtimes its imposible to fix. From expertaince with linux it's liable to keel over and die and stop you getting into the gui for no aparent reason just when you have got it set up running stably. But I guess thats because Im a noob :P
macroman 8th October 2005, 18:15 Quote
*The clincher of course; if I buy Apple, I won't have to grow a beard."

Oh yes you will.
BBurger 9th October 2005, 04:40 Quote
I went cold-turkey from XP Pro to Ubuntu in May/05 - because my *cough*free*cough* copy of XP went tits-up and wouldn't re-install with the code it had first went in with, and I can't see any reason to ever go back to Windows, frankly.

Setup of a new box is so much easier w/ Ubuntu vs XP! Honest - actual installation is just about the same as XP - basically hitting Enter and adding your username, then leaving it along for half an hour or so... the HUGE time saving comes after OS install. Ubuntu needs no virus checkers, anti-spyware or firewall, it's got a pile of useful apps pre-installed, and (unlike XP) it detected and auto-configured my internet and sound during the install.

So no messing around with half a dozen driver CDs, no having do download OpenOffice just to get a word processor, no spending four hours installing AVG/SpyBot/ZoneAlarm to lock the box down.

Sod MS, I can't see any reason to ever go back!
Andy Mc 10th October 2005, 09:18 Quote
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Originally Posted by lord nicon21
i don't find Fedora that best i like "ubuntu" thats great ;)

I agree with Lord here on both points, fedora core has gone way downhill since the first version, 'core1'.
And Ubuntu is much more user friendly. You can upgrade the system with very little effort as the system is based on Debian so it uses the apt package manager. (also as it is debian based it is argueably much more stable than FC will be). And after install virtually every bit of hardware you have is detected and installed, i haven't found much that it wont work with, except maybe wifi cards.
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