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Gaming 35 – MW3 vs BF3 vs Skyrim

Posted on 19th Nov 2011 at 12:09 by Podcast with 37 comments

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Clive, Joe and Harry gather to discuss whether Battlefield 3 or Modern Warfare 3 is the better game. Harry even produces actual facts to support his arguments, but it’s all pointless because everyone knows Skyrim is the best game at the moment.

During the discussion, we also talk about whether singleplayer mode is effectively dead with modern FPS games, and whether CoD should be seen more as yearly sports title, such as FIFA or Football Manager.

LA Noire doesn’t avoid attention either, with both Harry and Clive weighing in to voice their frustrations, explaining why it’s more of an interactive movie than a game. However, there are some redeeming elements to the game, so our scores are correct, no matter how disparaging we might seem. Honest.

The good news to come from LA Noire is that the MotionSense technology – which worked reasonably well – isn’t tied to Team Bondi, but some other company called Depth Analysis. This means that we might see it in other games where talking to people and facial expressions might be important.

Whether we’ll see it in an Elder Scrolls game at some point is unknown, but we do know that Skyrim is an excellent game with an excellent interface and menu system (well, Clive thinks so, anyway). With a mouse’s scroll wheel it’s easy to be quick and accurate, making Skyrim a joy to play on PC. It also looks great, has really engaging side-quests and lets you do pretty much whatever you like.

We’ve also got a competition for you, but you’ll have to listen in to participate. Up for grabs are two of copies of the King Arthur Collection, which combines all the expansions and DLC pre-Fallen Champions for the roleplaying wargame. To enter, email your answers to podcast [at] custompc.co.uk.

Gaming 35 – MW3 vs BF3 vs Skyrim
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mikeyman198 19th November 2011, 18:03 Quote
You said that BF3 is a remastered BF2. This is the same case for MW3. Its an updated version of MW2, with all the stuff we hated from MW2 removed and extra features added. Yes the gameplay is much the same as MW2, but I really enjoyed how that game played. I'm not that bothered that it's "MW2.5" because that's what I wanted :)
loftie 19th November 2011, 18:05 Quote
From my brief experience of Skyrim, the interface this feel a bit console like. It's not that it's bad, to be honest, it's probably the best interface that I've ever thought felt a bit like a console menu, but I could still feel it. Maybe when I get back to playing it, I'll get used to it and I'll like it. The only thing I found I kept doing was hitting escape to exit the inventory system, and it bringing up the main menu. Forgetting I had to hit tab to close the inventory etc.

From what I know, you can also assign spells etc to number keys, but I was sticking to using the Q menu.
NethLyn 19th November 2011, 18:33 Quote
Can I be the first to suggest the Skyrim soundtrack as a podcast prize in future, just as much as the game itself - I got it with a discount so only cost me £13, but since it's around £25 normally due to postage and currency conversion, that would be a cool competition to enter.
jcb121 19th November 2011, 18:47 Quote
I've been waiting so long for this.
yassarikhan786 19th November 2011, 18:50 Quote
I have only played BF3 and I'm loving it to the point that I have not touched any other games. I haven't played Skyrim yet, but I'm looking forward to it when I do and as for MW3 I'll probably not go anywhere near it for a while.
XXAOSICXX 19th November 2011, 19:08 Quote
"we do know that Skyrim is an excellent game with an excellent interface and menu system (well, Clive thinks so, anyway). With a mouse’s scroll wheel it’s easy to be quick and accurate, making Skyrim a joy to play on PC."

I'm sorry...are we playing the same game? The menus are hideous....no sorting....too much scrolling....disparity between mouse and keyboard selection...inconsistent use of keys for actions....prompts to use the wrong keys for actions....a levelling up skill tree that's a nightmare to navigate....the list goes on and on.

Yes, the game is good...but holy cow....the menus are an abortion.
loftie 19th November 2011, 19:20 Quote
I found the leveling up skill tree not too bad, reminds me of the research menu in Sword of the Stars. Maybe I'm just more used to it from that though....
Kronos 19th November 2011, 19:40 Quote
I have had BF 3 on my PC since it came out and I have been unable to get into it at all, so far I have found it particularly boring, nothing new all been done before. It was much the same as MOD and Black Ops,same same same. I am hoping that the new Serious Sam will bring a bit of gaming enjoyment back in to my life.
yassarikhan786 19th November 2011, 19:42 Quote
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Originally Posted by KRONOS
I have had BF 3 on my PC since it came out and I have been unable to get into it at all, so far I have found it particularly boring, nothing new all been done before. It was much the same as MOD and Black Ops,same same same. I am hoping that the new Serious Sam will bring a bit of gaming enjoyment back in to my life.

BF3 is my first multiplayer fps experience so I don't have the feeling of "been there, done that."
Podge4 19th November 2011, 20:26 Quote
I only play single player on fps games, i have played MP and it can be fun but i just prefer a story to play through. I'll get MW3 on a steam sale, don't know about the others yet, doubt i'll get skyrim as i didn't really like Oblivion unless i get given it to try first.
XXAOSICXX 19th November 2011, 21:23 Quote
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Originally Posted by loftie
I found the leveling up skill tree not too bad, reminds me of the research menu in Sword of the Stars. Maybe I'm just more used to it from that though....

"Not too bad" isn't "excellent", though, which is what the BT guys are saying...

Check this out:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/50787/Misc/skyriminterface.jpg

Not taking credit for it, though...it ain't my work...but it is completely true.
runadumb 20th November 2011, 00:20 Quote
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Originally Posted by Podge4
I'll get MW3 on a steam sale

Good luck with that. BLOPS was still around £30 during the most recent sale. The COD games don't get discounted much. Thieving *******s that Activision are.
Podge4 20th November 2011, 02:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by runadumb
Good luck with that. BLOPS was still around £30 during the most recent sale.

If not in a steam sale I'll get a retail copy in a sale, got BLOPS for about £20 a few months ago from Game, then shortly after it went back up to 40 quid.
Saivert 20th November 2011, 23:36 Quote
Seems like you are only talking about the multiplayer aspect when it comes to BF3 and MW3, but Skyrim is singleplayer.

Both BF3 and MW3 has a very scripted and linear campaign, yet MW3 pulled off the trick of making it seem more like I had a choice and it was also more entertaining. MW3 had that fun action flic style to it while BF3 was trying to be serious and instead got boring.
Canon 21st November 2011, 00:05 Quote
Both MW3 and BF3 are disposable games, those that get dragged into the multiplayer for point scoring are as bad as the people that send me ****ing farmville requests day in day out

As for the singleplayer campaigns, Angry Birds has more plot.
CanItRunSoldat? 21st November 2011, 00:35 Quote
Skyrim number binding: Just open your favorites menu, mouse over the item you want to bind and press the number you want to bind it to. Bam.

The menu system DOES have some sorting, which so far has never left me wanting. The only part of the interface(ish) that frustrates me is that you cannot compare items you are crafting to the items you currently have equipped (afaik)
boiled_elephant 21st November 2011, 01:36 Quote
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Originally Posted by mikeyman198
You said that BF3 is a remastered BF2. This is the same case for MW3. Its an updated version of MW2, with all the stuff we hated from MW2 removed and extra features added. Yes the gameplay is much the same as MW2, but I really enjoyed how that game played. I'm not that bothered that it's "MW2.5" because that's what I wanted :)

Yeah, but you must have money to burn if you bought it on release, the pricing of it is hilarious.
3lusive 21st November 2011, 01:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by boiled_elephant
Yeah, but you must have money to burn if you bought it on release, the pricing of it is hilarious.

I respectfully completely disagree sir. £40 is absolutely nothing for a game that I will spend probably 500+ hours on over the next year. MW3 is a multiplayer game - the 4-6 hour singleplayer tripe is practice for the people who can't play the multiplayer.

If you base your judgement on its singleplayer campaign, your misunderstanding what Call of Duty is about (same applies to BF which should also solely be judged as a multiplayer experience). Thats what sells the copies and thats what people care about in the game. Just go on youtube under the gaming category and a good deal of it is cod multiplayer gameplay, people have no interest in the singleplayer which is the biggest pile of scripted setpiece twaddle you can buy.

Go online and the experience completely changes as long as you know what your doing and play in parties. If you jump on it with randoms and dont use a headset, dont learn the spawnpoints, dont know the maps, dont know which perks, attachments, killstreaks to use etc etc, then you will think its one big sh1tfest and cant understand why people would enjoy it, but if you know what you are doing it is one of the most rewarding and satisfying experiences you can have in a modern FPS.
Canon 21st November 2011, 01:58 Quote
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Originally Posted by 3lusive
I respectfully completely disagree sir. £40 is absolutely nothing for a game that I will spend probably 500+ hours on over the next year. MW3 is a multiplayer game - the 4-6 hour singleplayer tripe is practice for the people who can't play the multiplayer.

If you base your judgement on its singleplayer campaign, your misunderstanding what Call of Duty is about (same applies to BF which should also solely be judged as a multiplayer experience). Thats what sells the copies and thats what people care about in the game. Just go on youtube under the gaming category and a good deal of it is cod multiplayer gameplay, people have no interest in the singleplayer which is the biggest pile of scripted setpiece twaddle you can buy.

Go online and the experience completely changes as long as you know what your doing and play in parties. If you jump on it with randoms and dont use a headset, dont learn the spawnpoints, dont know the maps, dont know which perks, attachments, killstreaks to use etc etc, then you will think its one big sh1tfest and cant understand why people would enjoy it, but if you know what you are doing it is one of the most rewarding and satisfying experiences you can have in a modern FPS.

500+ hours on a MW game? Really? Wouldn't you be happier taking up a drug habit or something?
3lusive 21st November 2011, 02:11 Quote
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Originally Posted by Canon
500+ hours on a MW game? Really? Wouldn't you be happier taking up a drug habit or something?

Yes, like the other millions that bought it and will play it constantly over the next year. Shame you cant enjoy it, not that I care :)
Canon 21st November 2011, 02:18 Quote
Just let the other sheep know, the grass is much better outside the pen :p
damien c 21st November 2011, 10:42 Quote
Well I have both BF3 and MW3 and to be honest I am a Cod player through and through, as I have played them all including Cod 3 on the consoles.

I am disappointed in the graphic's on the PC for BF3, but the gameplay is good especially when you come up against people who have never played a BF game before.

The other thing that annoy's me about BF3 is how long it takes to blow up a tank if you manage to blow it, up at all because of how quick they can be repaired by a engineer.

The tactical light and laser dot is a joke in that they blind you from miles away in the daylight map's, and it's even worse in tunnel's but hey every game has something for the noob's that cannot play without a slight advantage over others.

MW3 is just for run and gun, but you do die allot because the map's are designed for camping.

The map's are to small and so are the player count's because after all it was developed for the Xbox 360 only and then, ported over to the other platform's.

It can be fun to play but mostly it is annoying because of the issues with IWnet etc.

I have around 700+ hours on MW2 and about 500+ on Black Op's and will no doubt have more than 500+ hours on MW3 just like eventually I will on BF3.

BF3 is the better of the 2 games by a long distance simply because it is capable of run and gun and also tactical play and not to mention, it is just a better looking game for the most part apart from the grass and trees etc look better on MW3.

Simple fact is people will choose there game of choose and will defend it like it's a GOD, now I prefer COD and all my clan mates are fully aware of that but BF3 has shocked me and is taking me away from COD simply because of how good it is, but I still will play COD.

COD is good for me for run and gun and mindless fun, BF3 is good for when I want to play something tactically etc.
feathers 21st November 2011, 11:13 Quote
BF3 single player was grossly cut down due to time restraints in order to meet the publishing deadline. Dice focused on refining the multiplayer. I like to play through single player campaign as well so it's a shame but BF3 is revolutionary in so many ways it doesn't matter.

Skyrim = console port.
MW3 = console port.
maverik-sg1 21st November 2011, 11:13 Quote
I have played MW3 online and I enjoy it more than MW2, I don't count blops it's crap, I may never buy another treyarch game again unless it gets a 90%+ review.

But I also agree that BF3 is more of the same too, but generally speaking BF2 was more of an immersive experience than MW2.

I am really looking forward to playing Skyrim also, so for fans of the games none of them will disappoint, for people new to the franchises none of them will disappoint, but for BF3 and MW3 the most fun you will have is online (single player modes are more of a training session for the online epic).

My advice is buy all of them if you can, there's bags of fun to be had, my only gripe (and it's a huge gripe) is that map packs should be free or at least a lot cheaper than they are right now (£3 per map pack max).
shaunster1011 21st November 2011, 11:17 Quote
Who cares if skyrim is a console port, its gameplay is awesome and thats what really matters to me.

BF3 is plain boring after the initial WOW of the graphics dies away..
damien c 21st November 2011, 13:02 Quote
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Originally Posted by feathers
BF3 single player was grossly cut down due to time restraints in order to meet the publishing deadline. Dice focused on refining the multiplayer. I like to play through single player campaign as well so it's a shame but BF3 is revolutionary in so many ways it doesn't matter.

Skyrim = console port.
MW3 = console port.

Add BF3 to the list of console port's as well!

Development changed from PC to consoles half way through otherwise they wouldn't of met, the release date so they had to switch from developing for the pc.

It show's as well that it's a console port because the graphic's don't look as good as some of the Alpha footage, when compared to the retail version.
ModaRobby 21st November 2011, 16:28 Quote
13:20 "Just listen for a second *chuckle*"

13:20 *uncensored* "Would you #$%^ing shut it for a moment please?"

XD! Love you guys, thanks for another awesome podcast! Your debates are always great. Kills the one hour car ride to work quite nicely.
Sutura 21st November 2011, 18:13 Quote
I've got so much laughter with these podcasts. I usually like the UK podcasts better than the US ones. I downloaded two from PC gamer both the US and UK cast, and....UK with the accent and natural behaviour just one me for the cause. But back on the topic. Keep it going. I will try to enter this week's competition, but I couldn't here this part: "if you comment on the....gameplay? of what....you may, MAY have greater chances of winning". Which gameplay? :)
Makaveli 21st November 2011, 19:25 Quote
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Originally Posted by damien c
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Originally Posted by feathers
BF3 single player was grossly cut down due to time restraints in order to meet the publishing deadline. Dice focused on refining the multiplayer. I like to play through single player campaign as well so it's a shame but BF3 is revolutionary in so many ways it doesn't matter.

Skyrim = console port.
MW3 = console port.

Add BF3 to the list of console port's as well!

Development changed from PC to consoles half way through otherwise they wouldn't of met, the release date so they had to switch from developing for the pc.

It show's as well that it's a console port because the graphic's don't look as good as some of the Alpha footage, when compared to the retail version.

lol

Stop playing BF3 on low or medium.
Eiffie 21st November 2011, 20:24 Quote
^pops head up^

no one is playing skyward sword?!?!

^retreats to cave^

myyyyyy precioussssss
GravitySmacked 21st November 2011, 20:55 Quote
Disagree with the love for the Skyrim interface; it's OK but could be far, far better. The game is fantastic though so I'll let it slide.
damien c 22nd November 2011, 11:52 Quote
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Originally Posted by Makaveli
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Originally Posted by damien c
Quote:
Originally Posted by feathers
BF3 single player was grossly cut down due to time restraints in order to meet the publishing deadline. Dice focused on refining the multiplayer. I like to play through single player campaign as well so it's a shame but BF3 is revolutionary in so many ways it doesn't matter.

Skyrim = console port.
MW3 = console port.

Add BF3 to the list of console port's as well!

Development changed from PC to consoles half way through otherwise they wouldn't of met, the release date so they had to switch from developing for the pc.

It show's as well that it's a console port because the graphic's don't look as good as some of the Alpha footage, when compared to the retail version.

lol

Stop playing BF3 on low or medium.

I play it on Ultra mate.

The graphic's are better than Call Of Duty games but they are not the best graphic's on the pc.

I will certaintly have to record some game footage so you can see the difference between a real game, made for the pc to use the hardware and this console port.
thehippoz 22nd November 2011, 17:41 Quote
http://forums.bit-tech.net/showpost.php?p=2882034&postcount=295

if that's a console port.. maybe your playing twimtbp =] the menus yeah- especially when your power leveling can be somewhat a pain.. but I think it's also like that for a reason.. to slow you down a bit

or it could just be the result of porting it over.. power leveling alchemy now and it's taking forever

I put a crashing to desktop fix for anyone who's interested in the that thread too.. I can't even get into bf3 (lost my high twitch nearly bot like skills.. that's right you don't have those forever!) and after seeing that guy in the jewelry store drop 900 bucks to have a blops skull put on his diamond ring.. I'm good with mw too.. bunch of hosers play that game
Whindog 23rd November 2011, 01:31 Quote
Copy pasting the hardware and gaming podcast music again :p

Pedantics pedantics :p

Nice cast, and the skyrim menus are fine. Just wish there was a comparison button or something, accidently sold the armor i was wearing last night. Think that was just cause im getting used to the system.

But the q feature works well.

Iv found if you unselect your bow in this menu, it will go to your previous weopon layout. Mace n sheild etc.

Thanks for the tip on the mouse button clicks for favorites tho. Wasnt aware of that.

And the graphics at times are gorgeous and at other times downright ugly. But the world it self is just gorgeous. Just wish i had more time to play it. Damn work.
javaman 24th November 2011, 10:22 Quote
My biggest grip with MW is simply that all the content ie. Net maps should be nothing more than a £10 DLC. That's why people wanted DLC to prevent having to pay £40 for an over polished turd. I feel the same with fifa, the game engine has failed up update so why charge so much for updating excel effectively. Valve have it right with laft4dead, a pure multiplayer game. People base a multiplayer game on single player simply because it's the only thing that changes each year.
You where searching for a good single player FPS, why not crysis, FEAR both of which have been destroyed by console dumbing down and dare I say halo and killzone. Halo is prob the best example of good single and multiplayer.
maverik-sg1 25th November 2011, 16:04 Quote
Agree with Javaman, but want to take it further - the map packs should be free (or as much as an app for Android £3), especially when you find that half of them are re-skins of old maps from previous games... shelling out an extra 25%+ of theoriginal game costs for these is nothing short of a TOTAL RIP-OFF!!
ModaRobby 26th November 2011, 02:05 Quote
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Originally Posted by Sutura
I've got so much laughter with these podcasts. I usually like the UK podcasts better than the US ones. I downloaded two from PC gamer both the US and UK cast, and....UK with the accent and natural behaviour just one me for the cause. But back on the topic. Keep it going. I will try to enter this week's competition, but I couldn't here this part: "if you comment on the....gameplay? of what....you may, MAY have greater chances of winning". Which gameplay? :)

MaximumPC's podcasts are actually quite funny, especially when Gordon starts ranting off about Apple products. Give em a try
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