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Was Skyrim ever going to use Games For Windows Live?

Posted on 18th Aug 2011 at 14:59 by Clive Webster with 36 comments

Clive Webster
The news that Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim will definitely use Steamworks rather than Games For Windows Live has shot around the Internet today, but (and with the greatest of respect to those reporting the story) it doesn’t appear as if Skyrim was ever going to use GFWL.

That hasn’t stopped the rumour of GFWL rubbishness afflicting the next Scrolls Elder Scrolls game (that is confusing, isn’t it?), resulting in the Elder Scrolls Twitter stating that ‘We can confirm today that we're using Steamworks for Skyrim

The confusion came from the promotion picture for Skyrim, where the PC version was placed behind the Xbox 360 and PS3 boxes. The Games For Windows logo was showing and many people worried that the word ‘Live’ might be on the end. However, the Games For Windows logo features on a lot of game boxes and merely means… actually, I’m not sure what it means, or guarantees and implies. That the game doesn’t run on Linux and Mac?

Was Skyrim ever going to use Games For Windows Live? *Was Skyrim ever going to use Games For Windows Live?
The cause of the confusion.

Anyway, the point is, this logo is harmless and does not mean you have to use GFWL. Moreover, the Games for Windows Live logo is larger, with the Live bit underneath the word Games. It’s easy to spot, and therefore avoid when possible, as these images show:

Was Skyrim ever going to use Games For Windows Live? *Was Skyrim ever going to use Games For Windows Live?
Games For Windows is harmless; possibly meaningless too.

Was Skyrim ever going to use Games For Windows Live? *Was Skyrim ever going to use Games For Windows Live?
Eeek! Online authentication required!

Quite why Microsoft insists on such stringent online authentication and activation procedures on the PC and is so much more relaxed on the Xbox 360 is beyond me – piracy is as much of a problem on console as on PC and yet it’s PC gamers that have to suffer the counter-measures. Anyhoo, hope the above helps when you’re out shopping, or looking at future cross-platform release photography!

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will_123 18th August 2011, 16:05 Quote
Good to know. It has always confused me.
Shadowed_fury 18th August 2011, 16:09 Quote
I couldn't be happier. (Seriously dislike GFWL)
Digibull 18th August 2011, 16:12 Quote
Honestly this is actually the 1st time I'd even heard of this rumor. However, thankfully it's not true.
Spuzzell 18th August 2011, 16:18 Quote
Not to swim against the tide or anything, but I haven't had any issues with GFWL for ages, I think Resident Evil 5 was the last installation that gave me trouble.

And as anyone who played RE5 on PC knows, to be honest, it was trying to do me a favour.

Then again, I only ever play at home on my gaming desktop, so the whole always on thing just doesn't bother me.
IronDoc 18th August 2011, 16:24 Quote
Liked the little scrolls dig.
Angel OD 18th August 2011, 16:33 Quote
I have no idea what you are talking about, what so ever!
the-beast 18th August 2011, 17:07 Quote
Damn you Skyrim, why could you have not done like the witcher 2 did? A steam release for those people that want steam and a completely drm free version for the rest of us!
deadstoned 18th August 2011, 17:51 Quote
As long as it doesn't use GFWL I'm happy ^^
Aracos 18th August 2011, 18:25 Quote
Aren't GFW games supposed to have native support for a 360 controller, isn't that what it's for?
Evildead666 18th August 2011, 18:32 Quote
Yay! ;) No GFWL.
OCJunkie 18th August 2011, 18:40 Quote
So very glad for this, GWFL is an abomination.
Instagib 18th August 2011, 18:53 Quote
I hate GFWL First time i used it, it asked me to put in an email address, so naturally, i used my junk mail address, only for it to tell me i have an account and would i like to log in? Thinking i must of set one up for something (possibly while drunk) i go ahead and stick my most likely password in. Logs me it, no probs, registers the game against that account (bioshock 2), decides it needs an update, .... and logs my brother out of my Xbox 360. Gay. Now i can't play any GFWL games while someone's on my xbox live, or vice versa. It's such a PITA. Why did they have to do that?
Bede 18th August 2011, 19:34 Quote
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Originally Posted by Aracos
Aren't GFW games supposed to have native support for a 360 controller, isn't that what it's for?

Yeah, it's a standards thing like 80 PLUS for PSUs. 360 controller, easy install and some other guff.
bluespider42 18th August 2011, 21:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by Instagib
Gay. Now i can't play any GFWL games while someone's on my xbox live, or vice versa. It's such a PITA. Why did they have to do that?
A bit like how you can't play a steam game when someone else is logged in to your steam account?
Sloth 18th August 2011, 21:55 Quote
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Originally Posted by bluespider42
A bit like how you can't play a steam game when someone else is logged in to your steam account?
Not quite. There's no games sharing going on in his situation, it's Xbox 360 games separetely bought from PC games, but not able to be played concurrently due to using a shared account.
Instagib 18th August 2011, 22:15 Quote
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Originally Posted by bluespider42
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Originally Posted by Instagib
Gay. Now i can't play any GFWL games while someone's on my xbox live, or vice versa. It's such a PITA. Why did they have to do that?
A bit like how you can't play a steam game when someone else is logged in to your steam account?

No, I get why they did that on steam, else we'd all be swapping accounts and it would be a form of piracy. My problem with the situation is that it is a multi-platform arrangement where if i am on my pc, playing a particular game, noone can play on my xbox online. It's no like i can download and install a pc game on my xbox, while playing an xbox game on my pc. If there had been a warning that the two accounts were to be merged, then i would of created a second profile, on which i would not be expected to pay £40 a year for.

Why they even have to make it multi platform, i have no idea. There's only one game that i can think of that pitted xbox users against pc gamers and that was a flop. I don't even recall it's name. Stormreach? Stormfall? Xbox live and GFWL should of been kept seperate.
Instagib 18th August 2011, 22:18 Quote
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Originally Posted by Sloth
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Originally Posted by bluespider42
A bit like how you can't play a steam game when someone else is logged in to your steam account?
Not quite. There's no games sharing going on in his situation, it's Xbox 360 games separetely bought from PC games, but not able to be played concurrently due to using a shared account.

+1. What i ment to say, but then went off on a rant...
sstteevveenn 18th August 2011, 23:10 Quote
it's "must have" and "should have" not "must of" and "should of" ffs.
Anfield 19th August 2011, 00:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bede
Yeah, it's a standards thing like 80 PLUS for PSUs. 360 controller, easy install and some other guff.

Plus updates for GFWL itself that you can't avoid, but then either don't download at all or cause your pc to crash once they do download.
Toploaded 19th August 2011, 07:34 Quote
Just to strengthen the point, GFWL is horrible, HORRIBLE. And it continues to get on my nerves even though I've not had to play a gave that included it in a while.

I gifted someone that helps me out quite a bit with some mod work BulletStorm which uses GFWL on steam. Fine, then down the road I was gonna get him the DLC too, but seems you can't by that on Steam, only frigging GFWL, and you can't gift it.

Grrrr.
AstralWanderer 19th August 2011, 07:50 Quote
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Steamworks? Um, no thanks - I'll be boycotting this.

Sad to see Bethesda screwing over their customers like this - up to now they've been "sort-of" reasonable on the DRM-side.

Yes GFWL may be a pile of shite (never used it personally) but anything requiring online activation means customers can't choose where/when they play and lose out when support stops - and Steam has a few other nasty possibilities too.
Lemure 19th August 2011, 10:46 Quote
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Originally Posted by AstralWanderer
Steamworks? Um, no thanks - I'll be boycotting this.

Sad to see Bethesda screwing over their customers like this - up to now they've been "sort-of" reasonable on the DRM-side.

Yes GFWL may be a pile of shite (never used it personally) but anything requiring online activation means customers can't choose where/when they play and lose out when support stops - and Steam has a few other nasty possibilities too.

You can play steam games in offline mode.
AstralWanderer 19th August 2011, 11:06 Quote
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Originally Posted by Lemure
You can play steam games in offline mode.
Not if Valve suspend or terminate your account you can't. You have to be online to install (which means Valve can block that at will) and, even with offline mode, you have to periodically reconnect so Steam can validate your account.
impar 19th August 2011, 11:21 Quote
Greetings!
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Originally Posted by AstralWanderer
Not if Valve suspend or terminate your account you can't.
Somehow, I think you dont like Steam. Do you prefer the POS that is GFWL?
Paradigm Shifter 19th August 2011, 11:59 Quote
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Originally Posted by impar
Greetings!

Somehow, I think you dont like Steam. Do you prefer the POS that is GFWL?

No, I get the impression that he just dislikes limiting DRM in general.

As painful as it is to say, Steam is the least of the many evils when it comes to modern DRM.
Rich_13 19th August 2011, 13:56 Quote
Bit gutted as I want the high fidelity of PC gaming combined with the achievements from GFLW....feels like a compromise everytime I have to choose between the formats...

Steam achievements arn't the same for me personally.

I know I'm totally out numbered on this but I do like it. Definately agree that MS need to invest a bit more on it and listen to the consumers...
tupera 19th August 2011, 14:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by Shadowed_fury
I couldn't be happier. (Seriously dislike GFWL)

I'll second that!!! I just tried to install/play Age of Empires Online and the Live product activation key I was given didn't work! Live sucks!
feathers 19th August 2011, 16:38 Quote
GFLosersLives is a pile of ****. Hate it.
Sloth 19th August 2011, 20:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by impar
Greetings!

Somehow, I think you dont like Steam. Do you prefer the POS that is GFWL?
It's not just Steam. Anything that's not tangible and unrestricted is going to be snatched away by The Man. ;)
paisa666 20th August 2011, 21:03 Quote
The logo just means its totally supported for windows OS, I have my Empire Total War Copy with the Games for Windows Logo and registered under Steam :)

not to worry about anything
AstralWanderer 21st August 2011, 01:00 Quote
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Originally Posted by impar
...Do you prefer the POS that is GFWL?
I prefer (indeed, insist on) being able to install and use what I purchase where and when I please, so GFWL (and similar systems like SecuROM Online, EA's "DRM-system-formerly-known-as-Securom" or Ubisoft's UPlay - should really have been called CantPlay) are as big a fail in that area.

Steam does have some nasty extra downsides due to every purchased game being linked to a single account but these have been discussed elsewhere.
impar 21st August 2011, 03:59 Quote
Greetings!
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Originally Posted by AstralWanderer
Steam does have some nasty extra downsides due to every purchased game being linked to a single account but these have been discussed elsewhere.
And some upsides. Mainly to do with social features.
rogerrabbits 21st August 2011, 04:21 Quote
What's wrong with GFWL? I don't think I've ever used it.
Toploaded 21st August 2011, 07:34 Quote
The Wither 2 got it right, you could buy it on Steam, or not. I chose not to (even though I'm a Steam fan in general and believe it went a long way to help PC gaming keep afloat) and boy I'm glad I did when the first patch arrived. 12mbs for non steam users, 9gig for Steam users because of some oddness that meant the entire game needed to be downloaded again.
Scarlet0pimp 21st August 2011, 14:12 Quote
Personally I like GFWL and steam for the social stuff. I like earning achievements on PC that count on xbox too, plus I can keep in touch with xbox friends while playing on my PC. In fact for single player games I get them on PC if they have GFWL instead of xbox.
PC graphics with xbox pad and xbox live social features is great for me.
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