Does the GeForce GTX 465 reveal Nvidia’s plans for Fermi?
Posted on 18th May 2010 at 17:20 by Clive Webster with 39 comments
You’ll probably have read the rumours the first mid-range Fermi GPU from Nvidia will be called a GeForce GTX 465 – now it seems to me that’s an odd choice of branding for two reasons.
Firstly, 465 doesn’t fit the naming of the two current Fermi cards, the GeForce GTX 470 and GeForce GTX 480, which use even numbers rather than 5s.
The use of a 5 has typically meant something significant in Nvidia’s history – a die-shrink with resultant clock bump (in the case of the GeForce GTX 275, for example, which all know is derived from the second revision of the GeForce GTX 260, which should have been called a GTX 270).
At other points in the history of GeForce, the addition of a 5 to the name has meant something as dramatic as a second GPU on the card, as with the GeForce GTX 295. With this background, is 465 really going to be the name Nvidia goes for?
Maybe not. Or maybe they are, and actually, the GeForce GTX 465 isn't going to be just a cut-back GTX 480, but something a bit more special? The specs in the rumour stories don’t reveal much that would indicate either way.
If the GTX 465 is made on the same 40nm process as the GTX 470 and GTX 480, then calling it a GTX 465 would represent a significant statement by Nvidia, not least because it leaves little room for a future clock bump or die shrink (what would they call that, GTX 467.5?)
We could infer from this that Fermi will never move from its 40nm manufacturing process, or at least that Nvidia thinks this highly unlikely at the moment. Mind you, this inference only holds if we believe that the Nvidia branding department isn’t insane and won’t call different products by the same name – as we all know, that’s hardly a certainty.
Either way, the next Fermi - whether it's GeForce GTX 465 or something different - will be an intriguing product. As we know, Nvidia's got a lot of work to do in terms of reconciling cost, heat, power and performance with the Fermi GPU, and getting the mid-range part right is crucial. What do you think? Thoughts below please!
Nvidia GeForce GTX 465 early specs and release date info
Firstly, 465 doesn’t fit the naming of the two current Fermi cards, the GeForce GTX 470 and GeForce GTX 480, which use even numbers rather than 5s.
The use of a 5 has typically meant something significant in Nvidia’s history – a die-shrink with resultant clock bump (in the case of the GeForce GTX 275, for example, which all know is derived from the second revision of the GeForce GTX 260, which should have been called a GTX 270).
At other points in the history of GeForce, the addition of a 5 to the name has meant something as dramatic as a second GPU on the card, as with the GeForce GTX 295. With this background, is 465 really going to be the name Nvidia goes for?
Maybe not. Or maybe they are, and actually, the GeForce GTX 465 isn't going to be just a cut-back GTX 480, but something a bit more special? The specs in the rumour stories don’t reveal much that would indicate either way.
If the GTX 465 is made on the same 40nm process as the GTX 470 and GTX 480, then calling it a GTX 465 would represent a significant statement by Nvidia, not least because it leaves little room for a future clock bump or die shrink (what would they call that, GTX 467.5?)
We could infer from this that Fermi will never move from its 40nm manufacturing process, or at least that Nvidia thinks this highly unlikely at the moment. Mind you, this inference only holds if we believe that the Nvidia branding department isn’t insane and won’t call different products by the same name – as we all know, that’s hardly a certainty.
Either way, the next Fermi - whether it's GeForce GTX 465 or something different - will be an intriguing product. As we know, Nvidia's got a lot of work to do in terms of reconciling cost, heat, power and performance with the Fermi GPU, and getting the mid-range part right is crucial. What do you think? Thoughts below please!
Nvidia GeForce GTX 465 early specs and release date info
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Discuss in the forums ReplyI think whoever is in charge of branding is just as crazy as ever, they're just trying to cover the tracks a bit better.
I belive that the eventual re-spin of Fermi (with better power specs or at least better yields) will be a 580 or something
It doesn't matter what Nvidia call it or ATi call their cards. Can't see the point of you all getting a sweat on about a product number.
There must be a reason behind it but I doubt the "465" would be something special in the sense better than the 470/480 since that would completely redefine the way their naming works!
Any rumours on new ATI cards? Guess they would do well to improve tesselation performance.
:P
G92 X2.
I can only assume the 465 is called a 465 due to the 460 being reserved for the GF104.
The PCB and cooler being too close to the 470/480 make me think it is a recycled fermi chip. I hope it is going to be worthwhile showing at least 275 performance at 5770 prices. Not holding my breath though but the GPU world has got really dull recently.
apparently they have already started the test wafer spins, so there should be an announcement in the next few months.
I like this. Quoted. :D
out of all the oven and barbacue jokes this ones the best!
Ati have been handed a solid gold head start on the next generation of gpu while still having both developement and pricing headroom on this generation.
If I was an Nvidia shareholder, I would not be very happy right now.
The head of branding/marketing was arrested last year for "joking" about having a bomb while on a plane leaving America.
I think it's a perfect example of the mentality of nVidia's marketing and branding "strategies".
No, they would, you've got people who won't touch anything non-nVidia, they're generally either "not well" or have the crazy and or think PhysX is worthwhile.
These same people usually make posts that look like nVidia marketing blurbs, so they're very easy to spot.
Or maybe they are just people who've had bad experiences with 'other ' manufacturers cards in the past :)
They like to claim so, but it's generally a case of PEBKAC, but rather than accept that, they'd rather blame a whole rather large company for selling "shoddy" products.
When you're into computers, you should know that hardware and software problems are generally brand agnostic. Just because you've had a problem with one bit of hardware doesn't mean that you'll have problems with all products from that brand, and those that think that are generally fools anyway.
When some one happily spends £400 on brand A for X performance when they could have bought brand B for £300 for virtually identical performance, but they "prefer" brand A, that offers nothing over brand B other than its name, then you have a fool on your hands.
I get the impression that you're one of those "I couldn't get my ATi drivers to install that one time, so ATi are crap and they don't work ever".
I'm looking more towards ATI, they've got the edge on DX11 and are quite fair for price / performance, also another reason being the nvidia product names are confusing the hell out of me.
I can't stand people who use one bad experience with a brand to completely tear them a new one, they'll even hold it for years.
Because it can imply alot?
Weird people, weird cards. ATi are my friends now.
From what I've heard between £200 to £250 depending where you read at.. I'd reckon close to £250... That would fill this price range out and hit the 5850. Also the other cards on the way would have to be cheaper than this one... but the 460 wouldn't be less than £200 surely?
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