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Does the GeForce GTX 465 reveal Nvidia’s plans for Fermi?

Posted on 18th May 2010 at 17:20 by Clive Webster with 39 comments

Clive Webster
You’ll probably have read the rumours the first mid-range Fermi GPU from Nvidia will be called a GeForce GTX 465 – now it seems to me that’s an odd choice of branding for two reasons.

Firstly, 465 doesn’t fit the naming of the two current Fermi cards, the GeForce GTX 470 and GeForce GTX 480, which use even numbers rather than 5s.

The use of a 5 has typically meant something significant in Nvidia’s history – a die-shrink with resultant clock bump (in the case of the GeForce GTX 275, for example, which all know is derived from the second revision of the GeForce GTX 260, which should have been called a GTX 270).

At other points in the history of GeForce, the addition of a 5 to the name has meant something as dramatic as a second GPU on the card, as with the GeForce GTX 295. With this background, is 465 really going to be the name Nvidia goes for?

Maybe not. Or maybe they are, and actually, the GeForce GTX 465 isn't going to be just a cut-back GTX 480, but something a bit more special? The specs in the rumour stories don’t reveal much that would indicate either way.

If the GTX 465 is made on the same 40nm process as the GTX 470 and GTX 480, then calling it a GTX 465 would represent a significant statement by Nvidia, not least because it leaves little room for a future clock bump or die shrink (what would they call that, GTX 467.5?)

We could infer from this that Fermi will never move from its 40nm manufacturing process, or at least that Nvidia thinks this highly unlikely at the moment. Mind you, this inference only holds if we believe that the Nvidia branding department isn’t insane and won’t call different products by the same name – as we all know, that’s hardly a certainty.

Either way, the next Fermi - whether it's GeForce GTX 465 or something different - will be an intriguing product. As we know, Nvidia's got a lot of work to do in terms of reconciling cost, heat, power and performance with the Fermi GPU, and getting the mid-range part right is crucial. What do you think? Thoughts below please!

Nvidia GeForce GTX 465 early specs and release date info

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mull 18th May 2010, 18:35 Quote
You've got a better chance predicting Nvidia releases using tea leaves than the actual product names.
Pete J 18th May 2010, 20:13 Quote
We all know it should be called the 460. It seems like another one of Nvidia's 'clever' marketing strategies.
cgthomas 18th May 2010, 21:54 Quote
it reveals they want to enter the familiy barbeque bsuiness
Blackie Chan 18th May 2010, 22:27 Quote
I think the 465 is actually going to be nVidia's segue into the easy bake oven market.
CowBlazed 18th May 2010, 22:34 Quote
They're just insuring that they'll have an excuse when they rebrand all these cards GTX 565 etc. "Oh we couldn't call it 465 cause that was already taken. Also the OEMs made us do it."

I think whoever is in charge of branding is just as crazy as ever, they're just trying to cover the tracks a bit better.
DiegoAAC 18th May 2010, 22:56 Quote
465 is a discarded 480(GF100?) with a 256 bit mem bus, less shaders and less of everything. 460 (GF10X) may be a new chip with similar specs to 465 but without disabled units.

I belive that the eventual re-spin of Fermi (with better power specs or at least better yields) will be a 580 or something
crazyceo 18th May 2010, 23:42 Quote
I'm sorry but who cares?

It doesn't matter what Nvidia call it or ATi call their cards. Can't see the point of you all getting a sweat on about a product number.
somewhereoveryonda 18th May 2010, 23:52 Quote
Waiting for this for my build.. so hoping its a cracker anyway

There must be a reason behind it but I doubt the "465" would be something special in the sense better than the 470/480 since that would completely redefine the way their naming works!
MrGumby 19th May 2010, 00:03 Quote
I like how everyone mentions how good Fermi will be after a re-spin. But hell they were 6-7 months late to market. What we all have to remember is ATI have had this time to rake in some nice margins on their products, which will hopefully be put back into R&D. This means ATI are more likely to refresh its line up before Nvidia do.
Any rumours on new ATI cards? Guess they would do well to improve tesselation performance.
ripmax 19th May 2010, 00:07 Quote
Nvidia arn't doing to well at the moment, i will be sticking with my gtx275 for a while to come.
MSHunter 19th May 2010, 02:26 Quote
Was it the Gainward 275GTX that had the best cooler? It was in CPC a while back.
thehippoz 19th May 2010, 02:46 Quote
fire up the pc grill..
mycopia 19th May 2010, 03:21 Quote
what price - any idea?
Kenny79 19th May 2010, 03:41 Quote
Lean Mean Fat Reducing Graphics Machine
perplekks45 19th May 2010, 10:38 Quote
Meh...
[USRF]Obiwan 19th May 2010, 11:37 Quote
It probably is just a renamed GT8800...

:P
rickysio 19th May 2010, 12:32 Quote
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Originally Posted by [USRF
Obiwan]It probably is just a renamed GT8800...

:P

G92 X2.
Domestic_ginger 19th May 2010, 13:02 Quote
Theres no point trying to outsmart the NV marketing crew; they'll just knock you down the their level and beat you with experience.

I can only assume the 465 is called a 465 due to the 460 being reserved for the GF104.

The PCB and cooler being too close to the 470/480 make me think it is a recycled fermi chip. I hope it is going to be worthwhile showing at least 275 performance at 5770 prices. Not holding my breath though but the GPU world has got really dull recently.
barndoor101 19th May 2010, 13:13 Quote
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Originally Posted by MrGumby
I like how everyone mentions how good Fermi will be after a re-spin. But hell they were 6-7 months late to market. What we all have to remember is ATI have had this time to rake in some nice margins on their products, which will hopefully be put back into R&D. This means ATI are more likely to refresh its line up before Nvidia do.
Any rumours on new ATI cards? Guess they would do well to improve tesselation performance.

apparently they have already started the test wafer spins, so there should be an announcement in the next few months.
Fizzban 19th May 2010, 14:42 Quote
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Originally Posted by mull
You've got a better chance predicting Nvidia releases using tea leaves than the actual product names.

I like this. Quoted. :D
dactone 19th May 2010, 15:46 Quote
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Originally Posted by Kenny79
Lean Mean Fat Reducing Graphics Machine


out of all the oven and barbacue jokes this ones the best!
CharlO 19th May 2010, 16:14 Quote
What do you call it when they call the same product different names? Sh*t Im going red! That's what
fingerbob69 19th May 2010, 18:06 Quote
Fermi is fubar.

Ati have been handed a solid gold head start on the next generation of gpu while still having both developement and pricing headroom on this generation.

If I was an Nvidia shareholder, I would not be very happy right now.
[USRF]Obiwan 20th May 2010, 10:56 Quote
If Ati could emulate Cuda i think nobody would buy nvidia cards.
Tanacel 20th May 2010, 11:02 Quote
With a Fermi, my dream of a pc that plays games and can actually boil the tea at the same time with 8xAA enabled finally comes true!
kylew 20th May 2010, 13:41 Quote
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Originally Posted by CowBlazed
They're just insuring that they'll have an excuse when they rebrand all these cards GTX 565 etc. "Oh we couldn't call it 465 cause that was already taken. Also the OEMs made us do it."

I think whoever is in charge of branding is just as crazy as ever, they're just trying to cover the tracks a bit better.


The head of branding/marketing was arrested last year for "joking" about having a bomb while on a plane leaving America.

I think it's a perfect example of the mentality of nVidia's marketing and branding "strategies".
kylew 20th May 2010, 13:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by [USRF]Obiwan
If Ati could emulate Cuda i think nobody would buy nvidia cards.

No, they would, you've got people who won't touch anything non-nVidia, they're generally either "not well" or have the crazy and or think PhysX is worthwhile.

These same people usually make posts that look like nVidia marketing blurbs, so they're very easy to spot.
philheckler 20th May 2010, 13:46 Quote
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Originally Posted by kylew
No, they would, you've got people who won't touch anything non-nVidia, they're generally either "not well" or have the crazy and or think PhysX is worthwhile.

These same people usually make posts that look like nVidia marketing blurbs, so they're very easy to spot.

Or maybe they are just people who've had bad experiences with 'other ' manufacturers cards in the past :)
kylew 20th May 2010, 13:55 Quote
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Originally Posted by philheckler
Or maybe they are just people who've had bad experiences with 'other ' manufacturers cards in the past :)

They like to claim so, but it's generally a case of PEBKAC, but rather than accept that, they'd rather blame a whole rather large company for selling "shoddy" products.

When you're into computers, you should know that hardware and software problems are generally brand agnostic. Just because you've had a problem with one bit of hardware doesn't mean that you'll have problems with all products from that brand, and those that think that are generally fools anyway.

When some one happily spends £400 on brand A for X performance when they could have bought brand B for £300 for virtually identical performance, but they "prefer" brand A, that offers nothing over brand B other than its name, then you have a fool on your hands.

I get the impression that you're one of those "I couldn't get my ATi drivers to install that one time, so ATi are crap and they don't work ever".
shadows 20th May 2010, 14:11 Quote
I've always gone green, the current card in my rig is the 8800GT and it's done me well no issues and can still play some of the games today, albeit at low graphics. I'm looking at switching cards.

I'm looking more towards ATI, they've got the edge on DX11 and are quite fair for price / performance, also another reason being the nvidia product names are confusing the hell out of me.

I can't stand people who use one bad experience with a brand to completely tear them a new one, they'll even hold it for years.
barndoor101 20th May 2010, 14:27 Quote
everyone always rips ATI drivers, and says nvidia drivers are the dogs *ahem* - but i have both sets installed at home and they are both decent
memeroot 20th May 2010, 14:37 Quote
will sli out do xfire is the question we should be asking
Unknownsock 20th May 2010, 15:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by crazyceo
I'm sorry but who cares?

It doesn't matter what Nvidia call it or ATi call their cards. Can't see the point of you all getting a sweat on about a product number.

Because it can imply alot?
llOriginll 20th May 2010, 16:05 Quote
My mate just got a 480, he seemed proud of the fact that when I touched it (anti-static wrist band) I recalled in pain at the heat.

Weird people, weird cards. ATi are my friends now.
somewhereoveryonda 20th May 2010, 16:23 Quote
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Originally Posted by mycopia
what price - any idea?

From what I've heard between £200 to £250 depending where you read at.. I'd reckon close to £250... That would fill this price range out and hit the 5850. Also the other cards on the way would have to be cheaper than this one... but the 460 wouldn't be less than £200 surely?
Arj12 23rd May 2010, 01:45 Quote
Is there any chance of this release bringing the price down of 5770/5850? I'm really wanting to get a new graphics card but they all seem to be quiet pricey at the moment in the UK!
phantombudgie 24th May 2010, 20:59 Quote
Looks like there's going to be a decent selection of cards to choose from when I finally get a bigger monitor - purely in order to justify a graphics card upgrade :D
TFSakon 27th May 2010, 23:50 Quote
I'd like a mid high range but atm nVidia ar'ent delivering
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