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Welcome to bit-tech 2010

Posted on 19th Apr 2010 at 10:33 by Alex Watson with 265 comments

Alex Watson
Five years is a long time. Wars are fought and finished in that time. Huge buildings are constructed in that time. Children grow from tiny babies to annoying kids in that time. The Stone Roses even made a second album in that time. On the internet, five years is an eternity. Empires rise and fall in that time.

Back in 2005, there was no Twitter and Facebook was still for university students. There was no iPhone and people still referred to Windows Vista as Longhorn. Yet if you checked bit-tech in 2005, it looked largely as it does today. Here's ex-editor Wil's piece on the last redesign.

Over the years, we've made a few changes - adding a blog and a podcast, some links to Dennis sites - but essentially, the site looked the same. While the site has carried on, a lot has changed, both in terms of what we cover and what happens behind the scenes. We're now writing a much wider variety of article types, so while we do still have massive reviews of motherboards and graphics cards, we've upped the amount of games coverage we run, and of course, there are shorter and more opinionated pieces on the blog.

In fact, we're writing more in general, and the fact the old bit-tech front page couldn't show any more than ten main articles was quite frustrating. Then there's the fact that web advertising has moved on; five years ago, skyscraper ads were great. These days, MPUs and site takeovers are the norm, and the old site didn't support them that well.

Behind the scenes, things have changed, too - in 2008, bit-tech was bought by Dennis, and we spent much of 2009 figuring out how bit-tech and Custom PC could work well together. We feel like we've cracked it now, and 2009 was great for us in terms of business, meaning we could hire staff and explore new projects such as Rich moving to the Far East to be our man in Taiwan.

All this meant now was the ideal time to redesign. The team had been looking at a redesign in 2008, but the Dennis buyout meant it shifted to the backburner. We started with those designs, and Jamie, bit-tech's developer - yes, this site is built and maintained by one man - got a new beta working remarkably quickly. We then started inviting readers to test it, and ended up with over 100 people helping out. We took in their feedback and refined the site over the past three weeks, and today it's finally ready to launch.

So what's with the new look?

First up, all the templates have changed, so the site has a new look. It's wider than before, and uses three columns on the index pages, and two on the article pages. This means we can shift the MPU adverts into the outer column, so they no longer interrupt the flow of the article text.

On the old site, we had no editorial control of where articles appeared - the site simply put the newest stuff at the top. While this worked really well if you were on bit-tech every hour of every day, if you weren't, and we started writing too many new articles, content disappeared from the indexes too quickly - so people didn't see it. We've introduced a featured articles grid at the top of all the index pages (home page, hardware, gaming etc) which is editorially controlled and it means we can spotlight the best stuff on the site - so you can get to it faster. Any article type - review, blog, news post - can be featured.

Even better, the featured articles are different on each index page. One thing we've noticed is that as the site grows, and we have more staff and wider interests, no everything we write is of interest to every reader - and that's cool, but on the old site, you ended up seeing everything anyway. Not anymore. If you don't care about gaming, then just head straight to the Hardware page; it's just as good looking, well designed and packed with content as the front page, and totally focussed on Hardware. It's the same with Gaming and Modding.

There's even a new logo - we've dropped the .net from it, because after all, bit-tech is the most important part of the name, not the .net!
Check out the new background to the site too - it's actually the current image from the special subscriber edition of Custom PC.

While we've changed how the site looks, I hope you'll agree that it's an update not a complete re-working - to our eyes, the site still looks and feels like bit-tech.

What about these new features?

It's not just a visual refresh though. You can now browse articles by company - so if you're an Nvidia fanboy or an ATI obsessive, you can easily keep up to date. We're even highlighting notable companies at the top of the page - it's Intel and Microsoft right now, but that will change regularly.

We've got tags too. Basically, these allow you to explore areas of interest, a bit like an area in a library where all the books on one topic are. Again, we've got a couple at the top of the page - Fermi and Overclocking to start with - and these will change so that you can get straight to the hot stories.

Tags also appear in articles, in the right hand column. If you're reading about Light Peak, Intel's rival to USB 3, one click will take you to articles tagged with USB 3, so it's an easy way to learn more about something.

Then we've added easy links to related articles and popular articles (inspired by the BBC site), and What We're Reading, a list of links to other sites and articles the staff like, is easier to find. Basically, you're never going to be bored or without something to read ever again!

The search feature is better, now as you can filter by article type (so you can look for only reviews if you want), and information on Custom PC is better integrated into the site - it's now much easier to find out what the latest issue looks like, what's inside and when it's due out. Podcasts and buyer's guides are easier to find, too.

The about page finally now reflects the fact between bit-tech online and Custom PC in print we have one editorial team - and speaking of Wil Harris, you can find a mention of him and other ex-editor Tim on the new Staff page too.

The forums share the same skin and background as the new site, although they're keeping the same look and functions as before. You may have noticed that the default forum is now fixed width. If you would rather switch to variable width you have the option to change your preferences in your user options (at the very bottom).

There's a few other minor tweaks but that rounds up most of the changes. The aim was to evolve the design of the site so that it keeps its familiar feel, but that's easier to explore, and which allows you to find more of our articles to read. The new site gives us more space and creative control to expand and improve our coverage going forward, and will help the site remain useful and interesting to you.

I'd like to say thanks to everyone who helped beta test the site and took the time to give us constructive criticism, to the staff (past and present) who contributed their ideas and input, and to Jamie, who developed all our crazy, half-baked ideas into a site which looks great and works brilliantly. As the saying goes, our aim was to have nothing that we do not know to be useful or believe to be beautiful.

Let us know your thoughts in the comments, and of course, if you find any bugs!

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SlowMotionSuicide 19th April 2010, 11:44 Quote
Not too bad. Think I can live with this.
Pieface 19th April 2010, 11:44 Quote
I really like it, good job guys. Nice and clean.
yakyb 19th April 2010, 11:46 Quote
that era advert is way too imposing (not your fault) but other than that it looks great
D-Cyph3r 19th April 2010, 11:47 Quote
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo187/D-Cyph3r/ffffffuuuuu.jpg


In 2010 is it too much too ask for forums to take advantage of widescreen monitors? It really frustrates me that there is so much wasted space either side of the screen and pictures have to be resized to practically thumbnails.
will. 19th April 2010, 11:47 Quote
Nice work :)

(this comment box needs font-family applying though :p)
Stotherd-001 19th April 2010, 11:48 Quote
Forums are misbehaving... asking me to log in to the beta forums (which i can't) Have to click cancel lots. Otherwise fantastic.
Zurechial 19th April 2010, 11:49 Quote
After a brief perusal I think I like it. The first thing that hits me is that the front page contains a hell of a lot of text but that may just be because I'm more used to the large images of the old design.
It definitely provides better access to more content than before, but it's going to take some getting used to before my eyes break old habits and scan the right portions of the page!

I'm getting the beta login glitch on the forums too, though a few clicks of cancel seem to dispel it for now.

One feature that's lacking and which I had hoped would come with the redesign is an 'edit' button in the comments view so that we can edit our own article comments without going through the forum first, but that's a minor issue..

Overall it seems to be an improvement, well done guys. :)
Hugo 19th April 2010, 11:51 Quote
I do not like change, it scares me. Bring back the old site.
CrapBag 19th April 2010, 11:54 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stotherd-001
Forums are misbehaving... asking me to log in to the beta forums (which i can't) Have to click cancel lots. Otherwise fantastic.

Ditto, I am also having to hit cancel mutliple times before I can read any threads.

Incredibly annoying.
steveo_mcg 19th April 2010, 11:54 Quote
Don't like it, worst web site redesign ever.


STATLER: Boo!
WALDORF: Boooo!
S: That was the worst thing I’ve ever heard!
W: It was terrible!
S: Horrendous!
W: Well it wasn’t that bad.
S: Oh, yeah?
W: Well, there were parts of it I liked!
S: Well, I liked alot of it.
W: Yeah, it was GOOD actually.
S: It was great!
W: It was wonderful!
S: Yeah, bravo!
W: More!
S: More!
W: More!
S: More!

:D
ch424 19th April 2010, 11:55 Quote
Very nice, great job!

As someone else pointed out, I get five password prompts on each page of the forums though!

Edit: is there any way to make the forum font slightly larger?
Sifter3000 19th April 2010, 11:55 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Cyph3r
In 2010 is it too much too ask for forums to take advantage of widescreen monitors? It really frustrates me that there is so much wasted space either side of the screen and pictures have to be resized to practically thumbnails.

As per the note at the top:

You may have noticed that the default forum is now fixed width. If you would rather switch to variable width you have the option to change your preferences in your user options (at the very bottom).
RotoSequence 19th April 2010, 11:56 Quote
Instead of having two columns, one for major information and main attractions and one for secondary things we might find interesting, the whole thing has been replaced with three columns - one for the main attractions that is now far too small and far from the center of attention, and two more columns whose text based nature and small size makes me care about them less than Google Ads.

To put it bluntly, this redesign is utter ****. Readers are left with information overload, the whole page is utterly unfriendly to users of larger monitors (though not bad for small monitor users, granted), and text is too small on the forums. Condense the front page to two columns and the design will be much better.
Tim S 19th April 2010, 12:00 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by RotoSequence
Instead of having two columns, one for major information and main attractions and one for secondary things we might find interesting, the whole thing has been replaced with three columns - one for the main attractions that is now far too small and far from the center of attention, and two more columns whose text based nature and small size makes me care about them less than Google Ads.

To put it bluntly, this redesign is utter ****. Readers are left with information overload, the whole page is utterly unfriendly to users of larger monitors (though not bad for small monitor users, granted), and text is too small on the forums. Condense the front page to two columns and the design will be much better.

I'm pretty sure you said the last redesign was "utter ****" too. Oh, and the forum redesign as well... Nothing's changed in five years, I see ;)

Excellent work Jamie!
DragunovHUN 19th April 2010, 12:01 Quote
Yay, fresh!
Naberius 19th April 2010, 12:02 Quote
I think it sucks, as other people have said, its just an overload of information.

Bring back the old site.
DragunovHUN 19th April 2010, 12:04 Quote
Oh come on, what's so wrong with information?
masterjonny 19th April 2010, 12:07 Quote
Quote:

I think it sucks, as other people have said, its just an overload of information.
Bring back the old site.
Quote:

To put it bluntly, this redesign is utter ****. Readers are left with information overload, the whole page is utterly unfriendly to users of larger monitors (though not bad for small monitor users, granted), and text is too small on the forums. Condense the front page to two columns and the design will be much better.

Everyone had a chance to sign up to the beta and express their views before these changes were made.

http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=185561

If you feel that strongly about how it looks, you should have offered some input in the development phase, and not just moan when its too late after hours of work have gone into it.

Just my view. Its a democracy so everyone gets a say, but to say nothing then cry you don't like it, maybe you should have signed up to the beta and said something earlier?
Zeali 19th April 2010, 12:08 Quote
I really like the new site and it's a shame that so many people out there always hate everything new someone gives them.

There are some design bugs in the site but overall this is a lot BETTER than the old page and searching content is 1000% easier and faster!
Pieface 19th April 2010, 12:09 Quote
Why is it that when I changed my forum width size, a small feedback button popped up?
Morrius 19th April 2010, 12:09 Quote
It looks great, all in all a much more efficient layout. Don't listen to the whiners.
Naberius 19th April 2010, 12:09 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by DragunovHUN
Oh come on, what's so wrong with information?

I don't want to have to spend ages finding out what new content has been posted.

I think the styling is much better, just way too cluttered at the moment.
Zoon 19th April 2010, 12:09 Quote
Glad to see it made it through us ugly beta testers and onto the live site.

I love it!

I've always loved fixed sites.

And the feedback about it being a fixed site you've received so far ... well it was fixed before, and it still is now, albeit wider, so stuff them.

If the forums aren't wide enough for you, read the article first and follow the instructions to make it wider, instead of posting for butthurt ;)
Colossous 19th April 2010, 12:10 Quote
I like it too guys ;)
ch424 19th April 2010, 12:10 Quote
ooh, the password thing is fixed and the site looks even nicer! :)

The font is definitely too small though. My eyes feel a bit strained already. Does anyone know how to greasemonkey it bigger if the design's finalised? Or can one of the devs give us the CSS selector for it if they know it offhand?
CardJoe 19th April 2010, 12:10 Quote
If you want to filter out the information so you're only seeing what relevant then we now support that far better than on the old site. Tags, indexes, featured articles.
Sifter3000 19th April 2010, 12:11 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pieface
Why is it that when I changed my forum width size, a small feedback button popped up?

Left over from the beta site - it was a link to the feedback forum. Thanks for flagging it up!
Mikee 19th April 2010, 12:12 Quote
I think it's rather busy....
dwl 19th April 2010, 12:18 Quote
I always applaud progress but in this case none has been made here. New code is always nice but the user experience must come first if you want it to be successful.

OK, here are the specifics.

Clutter; everything is squashed in. Net result is I'm reading less.

You say you want more info visible on screen, a noble goal trashed by the square banner top right of the main content section.

The colour coded banner links have gone. This was a good design method, over the years I associated the colours with the links more than the text. A gaming website should understand the importance of perception.

There are other faults but I'm not going to go on any more. If you want to go for more in-the-face ads and page-bloating you go right ahead.
Sifter3000 19th April 2010, 12:18 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikee
I think it's rather busy....

It is busy, that's true - but it's sort of inevitable, given the amount of stuff we're writing these days. As I said in the blog, we've done a lot of things to try and make the site easy to digest - tags, featured articles, decent index pages - but at a certain point, more stuff is always going to be more stuff.
tripwired 19th April 2010, 12:20 Quote
lush, really feels fresh and updated, good work guys!
Leitchy 19th April 2010, 12:20 Quote
It now looks 'busy', but so do most tech sites. Only thing I don't like is the background image and the bit-tech logo does not stand out at all - not good for branding!
HugoC 19th April 2010, 12:22 Quote
It looks worse than before on my 1024x768: crammed with excessive information and little visual distinction between areas. The previous design was a lot better.
p3n 19th April 2010, 12:24 Quote
There is a white text box stuck between the two grey bars at the top, looks like its a search box or something? (Using Chrome on OSX)
Krikkit 19th April 2010, 12:25 Quote
A lot of folks will be saying "It's too busy, I hates it omgZ!"

Once you get used to the higher density of articles and info it's actually much better.

Good job guys, this should do until 2015. ;)
Kovoet 19th April 2010, 12:28 Quote
I like it and a step in the right direction. Too bad you can't let the photoshoppers amongst us be creative with the background to really make it different and change it every month
Kenny_McCormick 19th April 2010, 12:29 Quote
Long live to bit-tech! I'll get used to the new look in a while. Great job.
Molajoku 19th April 2010, 12:29 Quote
My first thought was "Aghhh! my eyes"...
I'll see how it goes after an hour and then a few days.

The last website to update into this sort of style I know of was dabs.com. I still hate that one...but mostly because the search system now sucks.
Fractal 19th April 2010, 12:29 Quote
Looks good guys!
Xlog 19th April 2010, 12:34 Quote
IMO, the 5 picture-article boxes look out of place somehow.
Xir 19th April 2010, 12:35 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by HugoC
crammed with excessive information and little visual distinction between areas.

Ehmmm, why is the text now blurry that uset to be sharp?
http://forums.bit-tech.net/album.php?albumid=655&pictureid=9643
or the near unreadable, unsharp headers?
http://forums.bit-tech.net/album.php?albumid=655&pictureid=9644

(hmmm, the links are busted too:)
http://forums.bit-tech.net/album.php?albumid=655&pictureid=9643
see "home" and "Hardware" thats unsharp
http://forums.bit-tech.net/album.php?albumid=655&pictureid=9644
see "gaming PC" thats unsharp
Ph4ZeD 19th April 2010, 12:37 Quote
Quick heads up - I clicked "CustomPC" on the banner and I got page not found.

And for the whiners - you had plenty of time to sign up for the beta and voice your opinion then.
Sifter3000 19th April 2010, 12:37 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Molajoku
My first thought was "Aghhh! my eyes"...
I'll see how it goes after an hour and then a few days.

The last website to update into this sort of style I know of was dabs.com. I still hate that one...but mostly because the search system now sucks.

Whereas our new search is amazing! Thanks for giving it a bit of time though, change is always challenging :)
Xir 19th April 2010, 12:42 Quote
Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
Quote:
It's wider than before, and uses three columns on the index pages, and two on the article pages.
It's as wide as ever, but as there are now three columns, every column is tiny...Help!
CardJoe 19th April 2010, 12:43 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xir
Quote:
Originally Posted by HugoC
crammed with excessive information and little visual distinction between areas.

Ehmmm, why is the text now blurry that uset to be sharp?
http://forums.bit-tech.net/album.php?albumid=655&pictureid=9643
or the near unreadable, unsharp headers?
http://forums.bit-tech.net/album.php?albumid=655&pictureid=9644

(hmmm, the links are busted too:)
http://forums.bit-tech.net/album.php?albumid=655&pictureid=9643
see "home" and "Hardware" thats unsharp
http://forums.bit-tech.net/album.php?albumid=655&pictureid=9644
see "gaming PC" thats unsharp

Jamie's official response:

"He's using IE6." followed by a shrug.
Sifter3000 19th April 2010, 12:43 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ph4ZeD
Quick heads up - I clicked "CustomPC" on the banner and I got page not found.

And for the whiners - you had plenty of time to sign up for the beta and voice your opinion then.

1. Fixed
2. Yup :)
impar 19th April 2010, 12:44 Quote
Greetings!

Too much information in too small an area.
Also, the reviews/articles area is too small.

Sorry, but it failed to deliver a good first impression.
Cupboard 19th April 2010, 12:47 Quote
I agree it is busy, once I have used it for a bit I will see how I feel :)
Overall I like it, good job!

One thing though, there doesn't seem to be a way to get to the forums from the comments pages. I hate the comments pages (and always have) so like to just skip them. Now that doesn't seem possible.

edit: wait, hang on, there is a "discuss in forums" link at the bottom of this blog post, maybe it was just the farcry 2 article failing
Jenny_Y8S 19th April 2010, 12:48 Quote
There are some issues with the new site on my laptop here (Running Snow Leopard)

Firefox is maxing out the CPU pretty much more than I have ever seen on any site before (Even hi-def video). Swinging between 50% to 100% most of the time.

Safari does the same (With the usual slightly lower CPU) but it's the flash thread giving the CPU a thrashing.
ImInTheZoneBaby 19th April 2010, 12:51 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by CardJoe

Jamie's official response:
"He's using IE6." followed by a shrug.

LOL. Brilliant.

Oh and, this is now my new homepage. Good going guys.
I love the design. :D
Hugo 19th April 2010, 12:52 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sifter3000
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ph4ZeD
Quick heads up - I clicked "CustomPC" on the banner and I got page not found.

And for the whiners - you had plenty of time to sign up for the beta and voice your opinion then.
1. Fixed
2. Yup :)

Does that mean I'm allowed to whine, as I wasn't allowed in on the beta? Not that I intend to, it's all good except for a bit of aliased text here and there.
Krikkit 19th April 2010, 12:52 Quote
One thing I have noticed (forum-wise) - can we have the background a few shades darker (similar to how it was before) in the dark skin? It's a bit bright atm, and the contrast looks a bit odd. :)
Bursar 19th April 2010, 12:52 Quote
The site is now far too narrow. It just looks like you've tried to cram as much as possible into the existing layout. Are the two side bars so precious for advertising that you can't extend the site into at least one of them?
Dave Lister 19th April 2010, 12:58 Quote
So far, I think it looks good... nice job
Denis_iii 19th April 2010, 12:59 Quote
will take some getting used to....
roblikesbeer 19th April 2010, 13:08 Quote
Is the picture of Joe on the staff page under NDA? ;)
NuTech 19th April 2010, 13:09 Quote
I said this in the Beta site, but I think the site is cluttered, but cluttered in a good way. It seems to take inspiration from large e-tailers and blogs. I can live with that. Oh, and it is *lightyears* ahead of the old site (that old dog needed to be put down asap).

A few things that I would like to see:
  • Replace those 5 panes of content with a content slide-show (similar to Gamespot but not flash). IMO those 5 panes are the biggest culprits for the 'busy-ness'.
  • Change the comments links to forum links. Nobody likes reading comments through the main site.
  • Do something about the horrible flash ads. Yours are some of the worst I've seen, and it just encourages selfish pricks to use adblocker.
Bindibadgi 19th April 2010, 13:10 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikee
I think it's rather busy....

That's because we are a busy site ;)
Tsung 19th April 2010, 13:29 Quote
Why is more difficult to read the text now?
Is it becuase of the vast amount of black to the left and right of the content? or are you using a different font?.

Also comments seem to be broken as they only occupy the left 1/2 of the panel.. O wait, no, I see now, it is caused by the adverts on the right.. Mmmm, not great.
wormy 19th April 2010, 13:30 Quote
I liked the old one but have no complaints about the new style. It looks ok (in a positive way). Save for the same issue that others had re beta login box appearing, it all seems to be working well too - so well done :)
V3ctor 19th April 2010, 13:31 Quote
I'd say this new page is even better than of Anands new page... Congratz and keep up the good work :)

Oh... and make a review of SSD's on notebooks... How much "SSD power" do we lose with older ICH's

Thanks :)
bitaljus 19th April 2010, 13:35 Quote
In FullHD(1920x1080) monitor the site looks very UGLY. Тoo much information in the middle and waste in the ends.
Unknownsock 19th April 2010, 13:37 Quote
Looks great, although the look blends in too much at the top of the page imo.
Jediron 19th April 2010, 13:39 Quote
Liked the old style more with the images.
Now it just looks more like the a businessclass website, like you see alot of them. Cloning is the future, right :-/

ps: when are the widescreen websites coming. Like me, alot of us own widescreens and sofar, most of the time if not always; we look al blanc, useless bars on the end of our screens.

Now that would be a jump forward!
Attila 19th April 2010, 13:44 Quote
When I first saw the new design I got a shock! It looks so......corporate.
The new design looks very generic. I like the tabs in the sections but the banner photo's of
projects from the forum are gone, imho something to regret. I was expecting something new
and fresh, but more importantly, something unique to push bit-tech out ahead of the pack. But
it seems they're happy to go with the flow. Play it safe. But I guess it doesn't really matter to
me as I generally head straight to the forums. ;)

EDIT...........

I just noticed, I only get variable width while I'm logged in. Damn.
Jamie 19th April 2010, 13:59 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldnewby
When I first saw the new design I got a shock! It looks so......corporate.
The new design looks very generic. I like the tabs in the sections but the banner photo's of
projects from the forum are gone, imho something to regret. I was expecting something new
and fresh, but more importantly, something unique to push bit-tech out ahead of the pack. But
it seems they're happy to go with the flow. Play it safe. But I guess it doesn't really matter to
me as I generally head straight to the forums. ;)

Project logs haven't gone! They're still on the homepage and they've been promoted to the very top on the modding index :(
Jamie 19th April 2010, 14:00 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jediron
ps: when are the widescreen websites coming. Like me, alot of us own widescreens and sofar, most of the time if not always; we look al blanc, useless bars on the end of our screens.

Now that would be a jump forward!

The same people make A4 paper widescreen. :(
WilHarris 19th April 2010, 14:01 Quote
It's ****































Not really Awesome job guys!
Attila 19th April 2010, 14:08 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie
Project logs haven't gone! They're still on the homepage and they've been promoted to the very top on the modding index :(

I meant the photo's at the top of the home page, modding page etc. I think "future neon"
was on the home page and "ciascurro" (spelling?) was on the modding page.
Sifter3000 19th April 2010, 14:09 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by WilHarris
It's ****
Not really Awesome job guys!

It's Hall of Famer Mr Haz!
wuyanxu 19th April 2010, 14:10 Quote
you can have variable widths on the forums for widescreen monitors.

for the actual website, you can zoom in to fill the width of your monitor, bonus is bigger text for reading :)
Sifter3000 19th April 2010, 14:11 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by wuyanxu
you can have variable widths on the forums for widescreen monitors.

for the actual website, you can zoom in to fill the width of your monitor, bonus is bigger text for reading :)

Exactly! +1
NickCPC 19th April 2010, 14:24 Quote
I missed the launch at 11ish and it's still unavailable :( ETA back online? I'm itching to see it!!
Blademrk 19th April 2010, 14:28 Quote
is the site down again for more updates? Thought it was up and running (seeing as there's comments and all) but I keep getting a "The site is currently being upgraded and will be back shortly. Sorry for any inconvenience!" message.
SuicideNeil 19th April 2010, 14:36 Quote
Cant see the home page as its down- look forward to seeing what it looks like; the forums look fine though- select variable width & it fills my 19" monitor perfectly.

Could be alot worse guys, just look what 'they' did to youtube recently.... **vomits blood**
PA!N 19th April 2010, 14:41 Quote
New design looks very clean and fresh, like it a lot! What could be improved though is the upper left corner where the bit logo imo blends too much in to the background. Still, thumbs up!
legoman666 19th April 2010, 14:56 Quote
The site is not wide enough, it's not even taking up the full width of my netbook.
CardJoe 19th April 2010, 15:01 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by roblikesbeer
Is the picture of Joe on the staff page under NDA? ;)

I didn't like the photo. White trash beards don't look good on me, in retrospect.
ch424 19th April 2010, 15:09 Quote
Oooh, font sizes are back to normal. Apologies if it was my fault for not clearing my cache.
Xir 19th April 2010, 15:10 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by CardJoe
Jamie's official response:

"He's using IE6." followed by a shrug.
small correction
MY COMPANY...is using IE6. I've got no choice :|

whats different? the font? Size? worked perfectly with the old site
Fizzban 19th April 2010, 15:16 Quote
It's very functional. But I don't like the layout. I find the look a bit sorta clinical or corporate. The site before looked appealing and welcoming, I suppose. And now it doesn't.

Ah well, I'll just rely on the 'article discussion' part of the forum more, so I don't have to look at it lol.
alpaca 19th April 2010, 15:17 Quote
the feedback button is still there...
Apocalypso 19th April 2010, 15:25 Quote
Ew this is not nice to look at.

Far too busy, makes it look cheap and nasty.
NickCPC 19th April 2010, 15:27 Quote
I like it, I think it looks easier to use, bit-tech logo looks better (i always wondered why the .net was still included) and it generally looks a bit fresher. Thumbs up from me.

Also if you are on IE6, you should be heckling whoever is stopping you from upgrading. IE6 is bloody horrible to have to include compatibility for... and if it's that bad, look at the site when you're at home.
Apocalypso 19th April 2010, 15:29 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by masterjonny
Quote:

I think it sucks, as other people have said, its just an overload of information.
Bring back the old site.
Quote:

To put it bluntly, this redesign is utter ****. Readers are left with information overload, the whole page is utterly unfriendly to users of larger monitors (though not bad for small monitor users, granted), and text is too small on the forums. Condense the front page to two columns and the design will be much better.

Everyone had a chance to sign up to the beta and express their views before these changes were made.

http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=185561

If you feel that strongly about how it looks, you should have offered some input in the development phase, and not just moan when its too late after hours of work have gone into it.

Just my view. Its a democracy so everyone gets a say, but to say nothing then cry you don't like it, maybe you should have signed up to the beta and said something earlier?

There's something very Hitchhikers Guide about all that.
pizan 19th April 2010, 15:30 Quote
Looks like crap in Chrome. The font looks so bad i can barely read it.
Tim S 19th April 2010, 15:31 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by NickCPC
Also if you are on IE6, you should be heckling whoever is stopping you from upgrading. IE6 is bloody horrible to have to include compatibility for... and if it's that bad, look at the site when you're at home.
Maybe there should be a "reduced functionality" version, a bit like Google Docs? Heh...
inv4der 19th April 2010, 15:34 Quote
Who said it was all flash based han?
Anyways its still pretty good....
Pros:
Darker theme
A more modern look
Cons:
NOT flash based (not really a con but would have been awesome)
It should have stretched across my wide-screen. Its just oriented to the center and not really looks THAT cool...
Ending Credits 19th April 2010, 15:34 Quote
Normally I don't like site redesigns at first but this one I think I can live with which is a good start.

Basically: Keep up with the good work!
pizan 19th April 2010, 15:38 Quote
This is how it looks to me. Any ideas?
http://img695.imageshack.us/i/bittechsample.jpg/
moullas 19th April 2010, 15:39 Quote
Some quirks on the technical side...

HTML doesn't validate, and so does CSS (I've seen though that is because of browser specific stuff mostly).

Also, for a site of this size, a huge benefit can be had by running YSlow or Google Pagespeed and follow the recommendations.

Again, these are details that can be fixed over time, the layout per se is very good, and I guess fits the purpose of bit-tech as a business entity as well, with rooms for ads and editorial content.

Good job!
Nature 19th April 2010, 15:40 Quote
我不喜欢! Means I don't approve.
perplekks45 19th April 2010, 15:51 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Cyph3r
In 2010 is it too much too ask for forums to take advantage of widescreen monitors? It really frustrates me that there is so much wasted space either side of the screen and pictures have to be resized to practically thumbnails.
QFFT!
popcornuk1983 19th April 2010, 15:57 Quote
Great job Guys. Site looks very nice and it's still easy to navigate after you get used to the new layout.

I like the fact that the writers can now choose to show selected articles at the top of each section as I've missed some good articles due to not being on the site for a week or so (shock horror!).

The 3 column layout is also a good idea as you can focus your eyes on the first two without having advertising right in your face.

The 3rd column could do with being shrunk a little bit in favour of making the first or 2nd column wider. As IMO it holds the least relevant info on the entire site.

The only bug I've found so far is the feedback button to the left takes you to the comments on the article your reading.

Hope you got a hefty bonus for all your hard coding Jamie! :)
Sifter3000 19th April 2010, 15:57 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by pizan
This is how it looks to me. Any ideas?
http://img695.imageshack.us/i/bittechsample.jpg/

What browser/OS are you running?
adidan 19th April 2010, 15:58 Quote
Nice, it's like Bit-Tech's had a new haircut.
deathtaker27 19th April 2010, 16:02 Quote
looks good, I have been reading the site a lot, will take a little while to get use to it again.
Tim S 19th April 2010, 16:05 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by perplekks45
Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Cyph3r
In 2010 is it too much too ask for forums to take advantage of widescreen monitors? It really frustrates me that there is so much wasted space either side of the screen and pictures have to be resized to practically thumbnails.
QFFT!

Read the notice at the top of the forum. The option for variable width is in your user profile.
DeltaFX 19th April 2010, 16:05 Quote
Ok, fix'd width is fine. Now how do I get rid of this "feedback" thingy ?
JCBeastie 19th April 2010, 16:09 Quote
Very busy, a little distracting... overall I'd say it lacks focus.

I'm sure I'll get used to it but it's not great tbh.
pizan 19th April 2010, 16:12 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sifter3000
What browser/OS are you running?
This is at work, I will see about this at home, but I'm running XP Pro SP3 with Chrome 4.1
Wiremaster 19th April 2010, 16:16 Quote
I don't like this layout. The homepage seems cluttered because there is so much text.
But like people said, I can live with it.
thehippoz 19th April 2010, 16:21 Quote
it's alright.. I can kind of see what people are saying with the 3 columns though- sometimes less is more

my opinion anyway =] it looks good though
Bursar 19th April 2010, 16:24 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim S
Read the notice at the top of the forum. The option for variable width is in your user profile.

When will this option be applied to the website?
coolius 19th April 2010, 16:29 Quote
Still looks very skinny at 1920x1200, why doesn't the main section of the site stretch in the same way as the forums?
I expect the majority of the visitors have screen widths in excess of 1024 or 1280 pixels so why not use it?

Apart from that though i do like it, i can deal with a lot of information!
Hazchem 19th April 2010, 16:29 Quote
What the hell have you done to the text on screen?
http://o.imm.io/laZ.png

It looks horrendous. It's uncomfortable to read.
Faunus 19th April 2010, 16:30 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sifter3000
Whereas our new search is amazing! Thanks for giving it a bit of time though, change is always challenging :)

Sadly, your search box at the top of the page is broken (next to Competitions).

Using Ubuntu 9.10 with:

Google Chrome 5.0.307.7 - the text box appears on the same line as the main navigation, but the search button is down a line, and can't be clicked.

Mozilla Firefox 3.5.9 - Both the search box and the search button are pushed down by one lines, and the website has a big *gap* in it, where the search box doesn't fit properly.

Other than that, liking it so far!
Burnout21 19th April 2010, 16:33 Quote
why is it when i finally feel comfortable in knowing my way around the site it gets changed! lol!

Not so keen on the theme, but it was due a refresh.
mrbens 19th April 2010, 16:47 Quote
Sorry to say I don't like it either.

I really liked the style before and was worried when I heard it was going to be redesigned, and never saw a link to beta test.

It's now just a wall of text.

Before the main page was neat and looked a lot nicer with the large pictures and colour coding.

...and there's nothing wrong with polite criticism, I don't see why people are being called 'whingers'.
MarkW7 19th April 2010, 16:52 Quote
I set mine straight to variable width, so it looks pretty much the same as the old one. :D
quietguy 19th April 2010, 16:55 Quote
Please go back to the old style.
Sifter3000 19th April 2010, 17:01 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazchem
What the hell have you done to the text on screen?
http://o.imm.io/laZ.png

It looks horrendous. It's uncomfortable to read.

Again, that's weird - the fonts shouldn't look like that. What browser / OS / screen res?
Tim S 19th April 2010, 17:07 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bursar
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim S
Read the notice at the top of the forum. The option for variable width is in your user profile.

When will this option be applied to the website?

Since I no longer work on the site (I helped a lot with this rollout before stepping aside to work on other projects at Dennis earlier this year), that's one for the current team to answer. My guess: unlikely, since that breaks the control the team has over how an article page looks.
DarkLord7854 19th April 2010, 17:10 Quote
I was about to say that I really hated the fixed width but then I saw the notice about fluid width, awesome!

I like the new design though I think it'll take a bit of getting used to.
Singularity 19th April 2010, 17:11 Quote
Love it. Also, Thank you so much for providing the full width option for the forum ;)
Sifter3000 19th April 2010, 17:16 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bursar
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim S
Read the notice at the top of the forum. The option for variable width is in your user profile.

When will this option be applied to the website?

It's never going to happen - variable width sites are just completely incompatible (theoretically and practically) with the demands of running a content heavy, editorial, commercial business.

To surface a lot of content - which mixes pictures, text and ads - and to do so in a readable manner - you need to be able to control where the elements are on the page. As soon as you go down the variable width road, you lose that, and it just looks like a total mess.

The reason you can get away with it on the forum is that it's just text on a very simple one column grid.
FuzzyOne 19th April 2010, 17:17 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sifter3000
Again, that's weird - the fonts shouldn't look like that. What browser / OS / screen res?

This is a cleartype + helvetica issue ;).
PQuiff 19th April 2010, 17:29 Quote
WTF!!!!!!!!!!

Its gone all IGN!

Let me get this straight, youve consigned everything into a smaller space, that doesnt expand sideways and put a funky background on and oh...im upset.

/me ragequits

It feels like a giant advert now.
BentAnat 19th April 2010, 17:35 Quote
I still think it's great.
It feels like it's faster (but that could be instable internets in this part of the world), and it definitely is easier to navigate. Still not 100% used to it, but it's better than ever now. And it was high time for the old design to go.
Jamie 19th April 2010, 17:46 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Faunus
Sadly, your search box at the top of the page is broken (next to Competitions).

Using Ubuntu 9.10 with:

Google Chrome 5.0.307.7 - the text box appears on the same line as the main navigation, but the search button is down a line, and can't be clicked.

Mozilla Firefox 3.5.9 - Both the search box and the search button are pushed down by one lines, and the website has a big *gap* in it, where the search box doesn't fit properly.

Other than that, liking it so far!

I've added a few fixes for firefox on linux, can you check around and see if anything you spotted is now working?
Hugo 19th April 2010, 17:47 Quote
Feature suggestion (I wasn't allowed in the beta, remember?). Would it be possible to make the time stamp on comments a link to that comment?

Like this:
http://i.imgur.com/QPxI6.png
wuyanxu 19th April 2010, 17:48 Quote
text is a bit small, i've always said that. may be it's causing problems with not probably smoothed computers.

to those who have text problems, have you got ClearType enabled in Windows 7?
pieplough 19th April 2010, 17:50 Quote
I like the layout but this font hurts my brain :S
jsv35 19th April 2010, 17:51 Quote
I think I liked it a before better. It seems more cluttered now. I enjoyed the larger pictures for each article before as well.
BioSniper 19th April 2010, 17:53 Quote
Hey, just a quick one really, While its not too bad may I suggest making the centre section wider, specifically in the forums?
As it is its quite narrow, to me it makes it feel claustrophobic, perhaps even cluttered.

That's my 2p out there.
smc8788 19th April 2010, 18:00 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by PQuiff
WTF!!!!!!!!!!

Its gone all IGN!

Let me get this straight, youve consigned everything into a smaller space, that doesnt expand sideways and put a funky background on and oh...im upset.

/me ragequits

It feels like a giant advert now.

Come back in a week and laugh at how melodramatic you sound.

I didn't like the design at first, but after a week and with the help of a few improvements I actually came to like it.
CardJoe 19th April 2010, 18:03 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by pizan
Looks like crap in Chrome. The font looks so bad i can barely read it.

I (and Alex, and I think Jamie) all use Chrome and it looks fine for us...
Tim S 19th April 2010, 18:05 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by smc8788
Quote:
Originally Posted by PQuiff
WTF!!!!!!!!!!

Its gone all IGN!

Let me get this straight, youve consigned everything into a smaller space, that doesnt expand sideways and put a funky background on and oh...im upset.

/me ragequits

It feels like a giant advert now.

Come back in a week and laugh at how melodramatic you sound.

I didn't like the design at first, but after a week and with the help of a few improvements I actually came to like it.

Secretly, I think he really likes it. He's just hiding his elation :)
Xir 19th April 2010, 18:05 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xir
small correction
MY COMPANY...is using IE6. I've got no choice :|

whats different? the font? Size? worked perfectly with the old site

Readability is better in Firefox 3.6, but still not as good as on the old site.
Did you change the font?
HandMadeAndroid 19th April 2010, 18:07 Quote
The website looks amateur at best. The silly light ray tracers are way overdone and do not represent good design. The grey bit-tech signage at the top is hard to read and contrasts too strongly. I don't understand the colour coding, is it supposed to mean something, as the top category bars are just grey?
CardJoe 19th April 2010, 18:09 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by wuyanxu
text is a bit small, i've always said that. may be it's causing problems with not probably smoothed computers.

to those who have text problems, have you got ClearType enabled in Windows 7?

Just zoom in?
Sifter3000 19th April 2010, 18:11 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim S
Secretly, I think he really likes it. He's just hiding his elation :)

I thought he was just pleased to see me.
FelixTech 19th April 2010, 18:11 Quote
Not a problem in the feature layout, but the comments section here is a bit on the narrow side. While most blogs probably won't necessarily get such a big response, the page is super-long while taking up less than a 1/4 of my screen width :S

Otherwise looks swish though ;) I particularly like the little icons showing the number of comments.
MorpheusUK 19th April 2010, 18:12 Quote
Win!
I like, more modern and fresh.
Change is always good.
Bonzo45 19th April 2010, 18:19 Quote
I saw the site earlier, and I really didn't like it. Seeing it now it doesn't actually seem that bad, may just need to get used to it. I would say that the latest news should go down, so it's in line with the latest hardware articles. Then bring the main opening bit across, as it seems too cramped. Scratch that, it looks good...

Also, I was used to just clicking the massive bit-tech.net logo to go to home, but the advert obscures it. I think that the top horizontal advert is quite obstructive, and it would look better above the bit-tech logo, and then the logo could take up the whole width of the page.

But, yeah, it seems rather nice. Also working fine in Chrome here.
Toka 19th April 2010, 18:33 Quote
havent actually looked at the site yet, too busy reading comments :)
Cheapskate 19th April 2010, 18:37 Quote
TL;DR...
This is probably a copy of what everyone else is saying, but...
You've lost your 'front page'-ness. Now it's just a mass of postage stamp sized blurbs. The ads get more real estate.

Also, I just tried to post in the other launch thread, and it told me it was locked. Shouldn't a locked thread NOT have a box to type in?
CardJoe 19th April 2010, 18:55 Quote
Blocking ads doesn't solve anything - it just undermines the work we do and risks the future of the site. Far better to let us know your opinions and, as we always have, we'll take them into account.

Look at Intellitxt (green plague) for example. Management wanted it on the site to bring in more money and we only got it removed because we were able to point to an irate community who were talking to us about it.
billysielu 19th April 2010, 19:06 Quote
A kitten just died.

Awful fonts. Did you even test it in Firefox?
Techno-Dann 19th April 2010, 19:14 Quote
The orange "Feedback" button glued to the left edge of my browser is a bit jarring...

Seriously, though, it's a good design. The front page continues to get more complicated, which I'm not sure I'm a fan of, but it reminds me strongly of newspapers, which I suspect is what you're aiming for. It seems to suffer from a lack of centralization - there's no single obvious place to look. If it was up to me, I'd try moving the column topped with "Latest News" to the left of the images and articles column, to make that the focal point of the page.
legoman666 19th April 2010, 19:22 Quote
Ok now that I fixed the fixed width browser, I can comment on the new front page. I don't like it as much as the old layout.
fliberty 19th April 2010, 19:23 Quote
Font looks terrible. Honestly HelveticaNeue-Light set to 72.5% I wonder why it looks bad.... *shrug*

People shouldn't HAVE to have clear-type enabled or be zoomed in to have your default fonts look good. GG

FF 3.6 - Win 7
fliberty 19th April 2010, 19:25 Quote
Oh and BTW... My clear type IS on.
knuck 19th April 2010, 19:26 Quote
tbh I quite like it. I wished for the old version to stay because I am a nostalgic but the new version is fine. The only thing is the text is quite small for me in the morning (okay it's 1:25pm but still, it's the morning for me)

oh and as Techno-Dann said, could you remove the feedback button when we browse the forum ? :)

<3
Sifter3000 19th April 2010, 19:29 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghys
tbh I quite like it. I wished for the old version to stay because I am a nostalgic but the new version is fine. The only thing is the text is quite small for me in the morning (okay it's 1:25pm but still, it's the morning for me)

oh and as Techno-Dann said, could you remove the feedback button when we browse the forum ? :)

<3

Feedback button will be gone tomorrow morning - we wanted to leave it on for 24 hours, I want people to feel they've had the chance to feed back on it. Plus we want to get the bugs spotted and sorted. We beta tested across PC, Mac, Linux with Chrome/IE/FF and over 100 beta users from the community, but clearly we've not spotted every quirk.
fliberty 19th April 2010, 19:30 Quote
Sorry for triple posting, but I just wanted to mention that I think the BG clashes with the header logo. There's hardly any contrast and it simply doesn't pop out at you. The problem exists especially for the "bit" portion.

Besides all the visual problems I have with the site. I think the new layout is well organized and see it being much more helpful for finding articles.
NuTech 19th April 2010, 19:39 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Techno-Dann
It seems to suffer from a lack of centralization - there's no single obvious place to look.
Yup, that's exactly what I thought.

I really think some like this would solve that problem (or at least help it).
http://forums.bit-tech.net/picture.php?albumid=606&pictureid=9677

EDIT: Adblocker used cos screencapping flash crashes my browser
EDIT2: In case it wasn't obvious, the articles should automatically scroll through the hotspots every few seconds.
Unicorn 19th April 2010, 19:41 Quote
I've just arrived home and seen the new site for the first time. I really like it. After reading this article and understanding the amount of work that has gone into making so many changes on not only a visual redesign but also on the very roots of the site, I have to say I am very impressed with what the staff have done. Having administered a couple of sites in my time, I can really appreciate the amount of effort that went into this, and after a quick browse round, there's nothing that I see that I don't think is a positive change. I especially like the new logo.

All those who are complaining about the new site on a completely blunt level (i.e. those who are not actually giving detailled, useful feedback) need to stop being so utterly arrogant and unappreciative. It's clear that a lot of effort has gone into this project and the staff even took the time to allow bit-tech members to beta test the changes. If you honestly think it's rubbish, you know nothing about web design and have no right to comment here. For those who are posting detailled feedback on things that the site would benefit from having changed, keep doing it. You guys do know what you're talking about, and the bit-tech staff will welcome your feedback with open arms.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to explore :)
Moyo2k 19th April 2010, 19:42 Quote
Loving the new design, smooth and sleek but if I had one complaint its a bit bright, I preferred Bit-tech's old darker colour scheme, I wasn't prepared for the new site, it may just be my sensitive eyes but I certainly felt assaulted

EDIT: Love the above design with the main article in big and sub articles linked by hotspots
RichCreedy 19th April 2010, 19:42 Quote
for all the big widescreen peeps just pump it up to 200%, looks good, no borders and can read the text ;)
knuck 19th April 2010, 19:49 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sifter3000
Feedback button will be gone tomorrow morning - we wanted to leave it on for 24 hours, I want people to feel they've had the chance to feed back on it. Plus we want to get the bugs spotted and sorted. We beta tested across PC, Mac, Linux with Chrome/IE/FF and over 100 beta users from the community, but clearly we've not spotted every quirk.

alright thanks for the answer and sorry if it was mentioned earlier in the thread, I didn't read all of it :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unicorn
I've just arrived home and seen the new site for the first time. I really like it. After reading this article and understanding the amount of work that has gone into making so many changes on not only a visual redesign but also on the very roots of the site, I have to say I am very impressed with what the staff have done. Having administered a couple of sites in my time, I can really appreciate the amount of effort that went into this, and after a quick browse round, there's nothing that I see that I don't think is a positive change. I especially like the new logo.

All those who are complaining about the new site on a completely blunt level (i.e. those who are not actually giving detailled, useful feedback) need to stop being so utterly arrogant and unappreciative. It's clear that a lot of effort has gone into this project and the staff even took the time to allow bit-tech members to beta test the changes. If you honestly think it's rubbish, you know nothing about web design and have no right to comment here. For those who are posting detailled feedback on things that the site would benefit from having changed, keep doing it. You guys do know what you're talking about, and the bit-tech staff will welcome your feedback with open arms.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to explore

What you need to remember is there are a lot of 14-15 year olds that browse this kind of site and well, some of them just don't know yet how to act properly... In time, they will though
shakka65 19th April 2010, 19:53 Quote
I don't like the new look at all. The screen is way too narrow and it seems like a little too much clutter. I believe sometimes that change isn't good. It will take some time getting use to the new look.
knuck 19th April 2010, 20:01 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by shakka65
I don't like the new look at all. The screen is way too narrow and it seems like a little too much clutter. I believe sometimes that change isn't good. It will take some time getting use to the new look.

If you are talking about the forum and not the main site , read this
Quote:
You may have noticed that the default forum is now fixed width. If you would rather switch to variable width you have the option to change your preferences in your user options (at the very bottom).
EvilMerc 19th April 2010, 20:03 Quote
SHINY.
Fizzban 19th April 2010, 20:10 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unicorn


All those who are complaining about the new site on a completely blunt level (i.e. those who are not actually giving detailled, useful feedback) need to stop being so utterly arrogant and unappreciative. It's clear that a lot of effort has gone into this project and the staff even took the time to allow bit-tech members to beta test the changes. If you honestly think it's rubbish, you know nothing about web design and have no right to comment here.

Everyone has a right to their opinion. I'm not arrogant or anything like it. And I can fully appreciate the time and effort that went into this revamp. But I still don't like it. No it's not rubbish..it does its job well. But it is ugly. Why should I then be denied the right to say so? Understanding web design and liking the end result don't have to go hand in hand.
knuck 19th April 2010, 20:17 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fizzban
Everyone has a right to their opinion. I'm not arrogant or anything like it. And I can fully appreciate the time and effort that went into this revamp. But I still don't like it. No it's not rubbish..it does its job well. But it is ugly. Why should I then be denied the right to say so? Understanding web design and liking the end result don't have to go hand in hand.

I am pretty sure his post was not aiming at you but at the posters who just said "TEH NEW LAYOUT IS TEH SUCKZORS DUHHHHH" without any further explanation or justification
cyrilthefish 19th April 2010, 20:25 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sifter3000
Feedback button will be gone tomorrow morning - we wanted to leave it on for 24 hours, I want people to feel they've had the chance to feed back on it. Plus we want to get the bugs spotted and sorted. We beta tested across PC, Mac, Linux with Chrome/IE/FF and over 100 beta users from the community, but clearly we've not spotted every quirk.
Ah, glad thats happening, the big orange button annoyed me so much i ad-blocked it :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by NuTech
EDIT2: In case it wasn't obvious, the articles should automatically scroll through the hotspots every few seconds.
The small auto-scrolling box was the one thing i hated most about the old site ;)
Quite glad the new site doesn't have one actually!

Just echoing a few others about the main site looking a bit silly on widescreen monitors though.
Zooming in seems to do the trick but IMHO you shouldn't need to manually do fixes on your browser to fix certain websites :p
Fizzban 19th April 2010, 20:27 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghys
I am pretty sure his post was not aiming at you but at the posters who just said "TEH NEW LAYOUT IS TEH SUCKZORS DUHHHHH" without any further explanation or justification

I know it wasn't aimed at me. My own comment wouldn't have provoked his response. And I fully agree that what has been done has been done well. But it was the general feel of the post and the remark that if anyone thought this was rubbish they had no right to post. Terrible... EVERYONE has a right to post..even if they know nothing about anything. It offended me not on a personal level..but on a human level.

A quote comes to mind "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".
NuTech 19th April 2010, 20:32 Quote
To all the people complaining about their 'widescreen monitor'. Do you really have your browser maximised? I ask because virtually every application I use (aside from games) I run in a small window usually about 1000px wide.

Multitasking is fun, you guys should try it sometime...
pimonserry 19th April 2010, 20:37 Quote
I love it!
Related articles etc. are really useful, especially when I'm busy procrastinating.

Is there a mobile-optimized version?
Moyo2k 19th April 2010, 20:38 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fizzban
Everyone has a right to their opinion. I'm not arrogant or anything like it. And I can fully appreciate the time and effort that went into this revamp. But I still don't like it. No it's not rubbish..it does its job well. But it is ugly. Why should I then be denied the right to say so? Understanding web design and liking the end result don't have to go hand in hand.

Brutal, But beauty is in the eye of the beholder
Quote:
Originally Posted by pimonserry
I love it!
Related articles etc. are really useful, especially when I'm busy procrastinating.

Is there a mobile-optimized version?

A mobile optimized version would be amazing
cyrilthefish 19th April 2010, 20:40 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by NuTech
To all the people complaining about their 'widescreen monitor'. Do you really have your browser maximised? I ask because virtually every application I use (aside from games) I run in a small window usually about 1000px wide.

Multitasking is fun, you guys should try it sometime...
pfft, thats what dual monitor setups are for :p

multitask AND have fullscreen ftw
pizan 19th April 2010, 20:45 Quote
Thanks for the tips guys. I managed to get the the fonts to look correctly now and I can read it now.
Murdoc 19th April 2010, 20:47 Quote
Nice job!
Bauul 19th April 2010, 20:50 Quote
Well I rather like it. I'm very glad you've improved the search functions, trying to find old articles on the old site was a nightmare. Job well done.
Jipa 19th April 2010, 20:58 Quote
The whole right column(?) is useless. I prefer the old layout, but then again, I generally hate all flashy, new sites.
zr_ox 19th April 2010, 21:17 Quote
I dont want to be negative, however I have to say that it's not an evolution as opposed to one giant leap backwards conceptually. Design wise (graphically) I like it.

You've taken the cardinal rules of web design and literally dumped on them! Why in the name of god would you ever want to dump so much information on the homepage? There is way, way, way too much!

You have basically done what most are trying to avoid, and that's to prevent information overload. Now the challenge is to channel the information, or allow the viewers to filter the information they want. What I see is duplicate information shown all over the site, there is the homepage with an overview of everything, I click on reviews and I see again much of what's already on the homepage, so I click on hardware and yet again see so many of the same articles. For some that may be great but I think you're wasting screen real estate.

What would be great if you made some kind of system where you setup a profile which allows you to define how the site will look, for you. Now this will work best for registered members, however all other can login as guests. For the guests basically you define how the site will look for you, or how you want the information to be filtered. This is saved in a cookie so until you clear your cookie cache the site remains as you defined. You can prompt visitors without site cache to set this up, or ignore this option and there for display everything.

Agree or not well that would be sweet...I think.

Hope you can use this feedback constructively!
fliberty 19th April 2010, 21:24 Quote
Screen cap of fonts. 1920x1200, Win 7, FF 3.6, ClearType enabled.

http://img186.imageshack.us/i/terribadfonts.jpg/

I won't be visiting bit-tech until it's fixed. I just don't understand why you would use HelveticaNeue-Light for main content. Maybe I'll just write a greasemonkey script to fix it.
fliberty 19th April 2010, 21:31 Quote
I think the reason most people didn't have troubles with the font is because most people don't have HelveticaNeue-Light installed on their system. Simply taking it out of the font-family style makes everything wonderful again.
blackworx 19th April 2010, 21:31 Quote
Aaaargh tag cloud *SPEW*

Other than that good job!
Skill3d 19th April 2010, 21:33 Quote
the tag thingie makes it look terrible, and the endless scroll of doom to read the comments is rather hatefull. Rest is ok tho probably have to get used to it.. I Like the button with the latest buyers guide.
Unicorn 19th April 2010, 21:39 Quote
Thje tag cloud is functional and useful for those who often use tag based searching on bit-tech. I am one such person and I know lots of others who do the same.
SuicideNeil 19th April 2010, 21:42 Quote
There is rather alot of info presented on the homepage, like half a dozen columns jumbled together side by side and above eachother; having the 'recent articles' section reduced and stuffed down the bottom doesnt make a lot of sense to me. Then theres the quirky little news feeds that could be reduced to simple boxes with a scroll bar, to take up less space. The main header graphic is lost in a sea of grey and black though, needs to standout and be larger ( its your online identy afterall ). Overall I'd say it doesnt look too bad, but there are definately some curious design choices that have been made, not least of all why is the page so narrow when it could be about 30-40% wider? As for not providing any feedback on the beta site = I didnt know it existed as it wasnt well 'advertised'; I imagine thats why so many people are upset ( I never got an email inviting me to check it out at anyrate ). Same too with youtube actually- massive overhaul which really does look and function terribly, but no warning about it until afterwards when users discovered a small announcement/ invite on some obscure google page. Meh...
Validus 19th April 2010, 21:51 Quote
Website is looking great! Nice work.
Mcmonopoly 19th April 2010, 22:12 Quote
Really not into the whole wall of info in such a small place, the 3 columns layout on the main page is really too compact.

Also, unless this is a browser issue, there's no reason to have the different articles represented by colors (vertical bar on the left of each article description,Blog/PC/NEWS/etc.), since the tabs at the top of the main page do not reflect the different colors used for each type of article anymore.

Also this kind of revamp was the reason I stopped visiting numerous other tech sites. If it ain't broke don't fix it, but I'm only a drop in a ocean of readers you might say...
Mcmonopoly 19th April 2010, 22:14 Quote
Oh, 1 thing, BEST FEEDBACK BUTTON LOCATION EVER!!
JaredC01 19th April 2010, 22:15 Quote
Main page looks good to me!
Psytek 19th April 2010, 22:23 Quote
Font's are very blurry in webkit based browsers, I would strongly recommend against using Helvetica Neue Light... it's a very thin font not designed for small web print.

I would suggest regular Helvetica Neue or Verdana, the normal Helvetica Neue has greater stem thickness (a problem it was created to solve, which the light version reintroduces), and won't give the blurring, and verdana is a good one because it's cross platform and was designed to be a web font at small sizes.
Dot_Kappa 19th April 2010, 22:32 Quote
Doh!! What's happen

I think the home, rather then the others tabs, is too busy..... the old one was clearer
I dont' like this sort of label on the pics
moullas 19th April 2010, 23:02 Quote
Another point for checking the fonts

All is well on the Firefox front,
however, fonts look ugly in IE8, and by reading the comments also in Webkit browsers. Had to go to 200% zoom on 2560x1600 res to make it readable.

Fix the site, or better yet convert everyone to FF :)
Blademrk 19th April 2010, 23:04 Quote
Like it, only thing I'm not too sure about is the coloured line right next to the pictures, they sort of blend in together (maybe needs a pixel or 2 white space between them)

http://forums.bit-tech.net/picture.php?albumid=172&pictureid=9680

edit: the lower article is a perfect example of what I mean about the section border and the picture blending together.
Jamie 19th April 2010, 23:17 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by NuTech
To all the people complaining about their 'widescreen monitor'. Do you really have your browser maximised? I ask because virtually every application I use (aside from games) I run in a small window usually about 1000px wide.

Multitasking is fun, you guys should try it sometime...

Exactly, do the people complaining about the width ever read any other sites? I think you'll find lots of sites are built to a similar width.
Skill3d 19th April 2010, 23:40 Quote
should put all the buttons at the feedback location...
mrbens 19th April 2010, 23:42 Quote
Hope all these comments are being read.

Could you add a poll to see how many people are for and against the new layout?
Jenny_Y8S 19th April 2010, 23:49 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by FelixTech
the comments section here is a bit on the narrow side. While most blogs probably won't necessarily get such a big response, the page is super-long while taking up less than a 1/4 of my screen width :S

+1
Freedom 19th April 2010, 23:49 Quote
Too much space each side but besides that it good.
Jenny_Y8S 19th April 2010, 23:50 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbens
Could you add a poll to see how many people are for and against the new layout?

Oh please don't. We're all human (Well most of us anyway) and we don't do change very well. Not if we think we like what we have or are used to.
Yardstick 20th April 2010, 00:12 Quote
Too cluttered and rather cheap looking. Images are far too small and make it very difficult to navigate visually. Reminds me of the small ads section in a local newspaper - appears to be attempting to cram as much content as possible into too small a space.

For me the site doesn't 'work' whether viewing it on a Blackberry or a high def widescreen monitor.

Disapointing and disapointed.
wuyanxu 20th April 2010, 00:14 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by billysielu
A kitten just died.

Awful fonts. Did you even test it in Firefox?
for your information, as far as i can tell, it is the most tested browser during Beta. first few pages of comments in the beta section were regarding issues noticed on Firefox.


no comments on the new logo?
[- pio -] 20th April 2010, 00:16 Quote
Please don't use Helvetica Neue as body typeface, especially not light! It's way to closely spaced/thinly stroked. I'm literally getting a headache after 10 min... It's a shame, as I think the rest of the redesign works quite well! Can I suggest you use Lucida (pref. Lucida Grande) instead? KTHXBYE
Jenny_Y8S 20th April 2010, 00:17 Quote
I've seen a lot of comments RE the amount of content visible on the homepage, some of these will be from professional web people who should know what they are saying, most I suspect will be from a generation who has grown up with the interweb and just "knows" what is right and what isn't.

I like the style of the design, but I think the layout and structure are not as good as they could be.

I think a lot of the negative comments are very justified because you are cramming to much content onto a single page. A site like news.bbc.co.uk does a good job, I think at the moment the new BT does not.

I could go into a lot of strong constructive (but easy to implement) changes I would recommend, but I'm not privvy to the business decisions which led you to structure the site as you have, so anything I say would of course be incomplete and likely in contrast to your needs.

But what I can do is give you what "I" like and dislike.

Like:

- The design elements (Feature boxes, number of comment bubble etc)
- Having long articles remain on one page (like this welcome page). Saves having to flick between pages.

Dislike:

- The vertical height before you get into the content
- The top bar which is 50% blank and contains rarely used icons. Why note move them down?
- The number of articles in each category (EG latest) - it all adds to the overload. If you really need 15 latest articles to be show, do they all need to be so high?
- Two rows of tabs? What is that about? And you have an entire section devoted to USB3?
- Tag cloud right at the top? Does anyone use this on a site like BT?
- The comment count bubbles vary in style across the page, could there not have been some continuity?
- Crazy footer height - how many pixels? How much wasted space?

All in all, as there is nothing "new" that I care about. For how I engage with BT I prefer the old look and feel. But give me half a day with the source code and it could kick some serious arse!
Jenny_Y8S 20th April 2010, 00:18 Quote
Oh my would you look at my spelling! Hold on, please don't
stonedsurd 20th April 2010, 00:20 Quote
Everything is great except the homepage - fixed width simply kills it.
infi 20th April 2010, 00:50 Quote
oh come on, really? that must be a joke.
really every site I visit daily is doing this awful redesigns now clamming every information possible into the smallest column possible, we live in 2010, my monitor has a width of 1920 pixels! first my favourite german technology site (which I don't visit that often anymore after their redisgn) and now bit-tech too? my favourite english site... what sites are there left now? I just can't look at this, sorry.
Hugo 20th April 2010, 00:52 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie
Exactly, do the people complaining about the width ever read any other sites? I think you'll find lots of sites are built to a similar width.

Don't be so utterly silly, there are hardly any fixed-width sites worth using anywhere on the Internet.
pbryanw 20th April 2010, 00:59 Quote
Applauds the amount of effort it must have taken to link to all those sites :)
theevilelephant 20th April 2010, 01:03 Quote
After suppressing the natural "urgh, change, I hate change" impulse, I actually really like it. My only dislike is the advert right at the top of the page, so the first thing I see when I load up the site is *BAM* advert. Yeah I know thats sorta the idea but I don't like it, much nicer minus the ad:
http://forums.bit-tech.net/picture.php?albumid=770&pictureid=9718
cool_dude 20th April 2010, 01:28 Quote
Looks decent, not *that* good though imo, i mean it didn't need changing.

I came on here and thought what the hell.. i've got a 24" screen and its been narrowed down to like a 8" screen! :o

Then I saw the notice about variable width, and thought phew... that would've been the end of me browsing this forum otherwise... no way I could handle the crampness !!
mystvearn 20th April 2010, 01:36 Quote
Nice job here. Looks a lot like Tom's hardware, though I think Tom's hardware is better looking than this.
Elton 20th April 2010, 01:41 Quote
It's okay, aside from the weird feedback button.

Also, it's admittedly cluttered, but I can deal with it, beats Anand's redesign that had moving flash..ugh.
Farfalho 20th April 2010, 01:44 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by steveo_mcg
Don't like it, worst web site redesign ever.


STATLER: Boo!
WALDORF: Boooo!
S: That was the worst thing I’ve ever heard!
W: It was terrible!
S: Horrendous!
W: Well it wasn’t that bad.
S: Oh, yeah?
W: Well, there were parts of it I liked!
S: Well, I liked alot of it.
W: Yeah, it was GOOD actually.
S: It was great!
W: It was wonderful!
S: Yeah, bravo!
W: More!
S: More!
W: More!
S: More!

:D

Nice one xD
cyrilthefish 20th April 2010, 03:45 Quote
Okay, it's been less than a day and the width of the main page is seriously starting to bother me.

I'll take this moment to counter the populist argument:
Just because most other sites code themselves to low-res screens, doesn't nescesarily make it the right thing to do.

Current bit-tech layout on a 24" screen results in the following:
1 - content displayed as-is on a tiny % width of the screen
2 - content blown up to fit the screen, with the text looking nice and big but the resulting graphics blown up and looking like a blurry/blocky mess :(

Tiny text and wasted space or blurry graphics... Not a nice choice to inflict on your audience...
null_x86 20th April 2010, 04:03 Quote
I have to say the layout is pretty good. My only complaint is that there isnt a widescreen option, but in the same aspect, its great because it scales stuff so I dont need to do fullscreen browsing anymore.
stonedsurd 20th April 2010, 04:52 Quote
Apologies if this has been asked/spotted before but is the background image a picture of Ian Helmar's Flow?
dinjo_jo 20th April 2010, 05:31 Quote
I came here and just could not recognize the website at all.
DarkLord7854 20th April 2010, 05:32 Quote
Not sure if this was asked.. can I get rid of the damn Feedback button? It's starting to really get to me, I just want to swat it off my screen.
knuck 20th April 2010, 06:30 Quote
it'll be gone tomorrow DarkLord
Jamie 20th April 2010, 08:07 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by cool_dude
I came on here and thought what the hell.. i've got a 24" screen and its been narrowed down to like a 8" screen! :o

We've made the site wider!
perplekks45 20th April 2010, 08:10 Quote
I like it and forget about my earlier comment about the forum width. I should just learn how to read. ;)
badders 20th April 2010, 08:37 Quote
I like it. I liked it in the Beta, and I still like it now.

The Main Page strikes a good balance between ads and content.

Good Job, Guys!

Oh, and Unicorn, rep++
memeroot 20th April 2010, 08:45 Quote
Site is now to wide for my phone please make narrower
(turns phone )
Better now
Thanks
Xir 20th April 2010, 09:33 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie
We've made the site wider!

Ah?

...font's still bad though ;)

(yeah, i know it's an "in" font right now, my newssite uses it, people complained, nobody cares. And yes white is the new silver, and colour is bad right now *sigh*)

You still have the articles colour coded by section (yay), but the tab buttons for the seczion are no longer colour coded. Inconsequent?
I stand corrected, they're mouse-over colour coded.

Aaaah!, the number in the picture is a comment counter...now i've got it.
Jediron 20th April 2010, 10:03 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by wuyanxu
you can have variable widths on the forums for widescreen monitors.

for the actual website, you can zoom in to fill the width of your monitor, bonus is bigger text for reading :)
That's not a feature, but a ugly workaround. I don't want bigger text, i want a more enjoyable page, with a slick design. More room = more space to make a elegant design.
Bursar 20th April 2010, 10:23 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie
We've made the site wider!

Really? But where's the benefit if you've increased the width by a small amount and then stuffed in a whole load of extra content? The width per column ends up being reduced.

The overall width needs increasing again (IMHO).
Jediron 20th April 2010, 10:40 Quote
I sdee the review pages are sliced too. Almost half of the page is cluttered with commercials now. The frontpage, do you really need three "selection" bars ? Together with the AD-banner line, we loose about 200 px in heigt, so the actual content gets more and more "cropped" in one small area.

Combined with the triple column homepage, where the middle column is unpleasently small and the rightsided "ad" column extra wide, it gives you a claustofobic feel overal.

Zooming the page isn't very usefull either, that way you only need to scroll down the page even more.

Another thing, you can browse now through 170+ frontpages i see. While i gues that every page is a day in a week, why not make a browse system through it with actual dates, instead of meaningless, stupid numbers ?

With a date stamp, it's much easier to find your your way. Hmm, that article i've seen, well; that was about two weeks ago; the thirteent i believe.... Bingo; hit the year/month, date and there you go....

hahaha. Even the comments look silly, i just noticed. They are all cluttered on the left side of the page, leaving alot of space unused.
What a huge waste of space....

Btw, Tom's hardware design sucks just as much.
Too much info in too little space and/or too much space sacrificed for the commercials.
Like Anandtech's appraoch more, aldo that ain't perfect either. Like Guru3D and Hardocp design the best. Clean, open and good to read.

I imagine i see myself here alot less then i am used to. A shame, really.

And don't tell me i have no right to speak, while there was a beta-project. First, everyone has a rigth to speak; that's called democracy. Second, i don't have time to join and participate in every project-log on every site that feels they need one. Actually, i never heard of your beta-project. I just see the result of it and when you ask a consumers opinion; there you have it.

Tom's hardware i hardly come anymore, and while i don't see anything gonn change in the near future here; bittech will follow that same route.

I can only hope more and more people agree with me this is something we do not want and speak up for themselves and others. Or just move on to the next site, which isn't "infected" with the "commercial" virus.
theskirrid 20th April 2010, 10:57 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Cyph3r
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo187/D-Cyph3r/ffffffuuuuu.jpg


In 2010 is it too much too ask for forums to take advantage of widescreen monitors? It really frustrates me that there is so much wasted space either side of the screen and pictures have to be resized to practically thumbnails.

+1. Never mind the quality, feel the lack of width.
Come on it's 2010, not all of us need everything crammed in the middle of the screen. Not scaling makes the adverts more intrusive too. At 1850 x 1050 75% of the width is ads or wasted space once you scroll past the ads/links.
Jamie 20th April 2010, 11:09 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by theskirrid
+1. Never mind the quality, feel the lack of width.
Come on it's 2010, not all of us need everything crammed in the middle of the screen. Not scaling makes the adverts more intrusive too. At 1850 x 1050 75% of the width is ads or wasted space once you scroll past the ads/links.

Check the notice at the top of the forum! :(
Bursar 20th April 2010, 11:48 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie
Check the notice at the top of the forum! :(

But the problem isn't with the layout of the forum. That can be fixed by changing to variable width. The problem is the main site is too narrow and bunched up.
wuyanxu 20th April 2010, 11:50 Quote
i honestly don't see what's the problem with widescreen monitors. yes, you are on the desktop with a huge ass monitor, but have you thought about those on netbooks trying to read the site? you can't expect the site to be optimised for your 1680 pixel width monitor when there are 1024 netbook users trying to read, at the same time as there are 2560 users wondering about the lack of width.

for 22 inch 1680x1050, it is kind of difficult because the screen is so small. for 24 inch people who are complaining, have you thought about reading in window mode? that way, you can have the left over space for MSN/Steam chat, other reading or simply enjoy the wallpaper view.

http://i41.tinypic.com/23kvwi1.jpg

bottom line is that the site width is perfect. perfect for netbook users at the same time perfect for desktop users.


about the column thing, the idea is to bring more into view without needing to scroll down. and i think they've achieved that beautifully. before, you can only see 3 or 4 articles while the rest has been pushed down. now, you have 5 featured top articles, and 4 to 5 normal ones on the left column. latest news on the middle. special stuff on the right such as buyer's guide and podcast. with the old website, it was impossible to find the buyer's guide and podcast posts.

all websites are growing, same with bit-tech. their new design is not here to please individuals who just want old look. their new website design is to allow them to post more stuff each day, and able to highlight the featured articles. isn't it always a shame when a well written article gets pushed down the page by other news?
Tim S 20th April 2010, 12:30 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jediron
I sdee the review pages are sliced too. Almost half of the page is cluttered with commercials now. The frontpage, do you really need three "selection" bars ? Together with the AD-banner line, we loose about 200 px in heigt, so the actual content gets more and more "cropped" in one small area.

Actually, the distance from the top of the page to the first piece of content has been significantly reduced. It's about 80px higher up the page. On the previous design there was the bit-tech header, the breadcrumb, then a banner slot, then the menu and then the content. Now there's a top menu, a banner/header slot and the main menu before you get to the content.
Sifter3000 20th April 2010, 13:34 Quote
Fonts are being tweaked. Full blog post to follow!
mrbens 20th April 2010, 14:00 Quote
Ahh well, it was a nice try, but looks like most people want the old site back.

Yes, we may get used to it after a while but why settle for second rate when it was perfect before.

As a regular visitor every day (my pc is left on 24/7 with a few firefox tabs constantly open, including this site on auto refresh) I feel disappointed in the new design. The main articles took the main focus with a decent pic and description, with the news stories taking smaller focus at the side but still equally readable. Now the site is just a wall of text.

Why is everybody obsessed with change just for the sake of change?

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. :(
smc8788 20th April 2010, 14:05 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbens
Ahh well, it was a nice try, but looks like most people want the old site back.

Do they? Have you done a survey of all bit-tech readers? Didn't think so.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbens
Why is everybody obsessed with change just for the sake of change?

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. :(

You clearly didn't read the blog post on which you are commenting, did you?
Faunus 20th April 2010, 14:09 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie
I've added a few fixes for firefox on linux, can you check around and see if anything you spotted is now working?

Glad to tell you that it's all fixed, in both browsers :)
perplekks45 20th April 2010, 14:13 Quote
I have to disagree with most people complaining here.

To me the new design is better because I tend to not find enough information on front pages in general. Massive article previews, ads and stuff always take up most of the space.
The new design is like old BT but compressed. More information in a smaller space, great for me.

I do however dislike the new wavy background design... why not make it wider and spread it out a bit more or make it smaller and let it fade away completely at the sides so it doesn't look cut-off that much?
SimoomiZ 20th April 2010, 14:17 Quote
Holy wall of text batman!

People interested in HW ,mods etc, want to see larger pictures of said drool worthy stuff, not text overload. Anandtech's redesign seems to have it about right imho. This is definitely a retrograde step -the only thing that seems bigger are the often unrelated flashing ads.
mrbens 20th April 2010, 14:44 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by smc8788
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbens
Ahh well, it was a nice try, but looks like most people want the old site back.

Do they? Have you done a survey of all bit-tech readers? Didn't think so.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbens
Why is everybody obsessed with change just for the sake of change?

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. :(

You clearly didn't read the blog post on which you are commenting, did you?

Let's not start flaming each other. I don't see why people are being blasted for not liking the new design...and I've already asked for a poll to be added so we can see exactly how many people are in favour or against the new look.
Hugo 20th April 2010, 14:46 Quote
The lack of 'proper' summary text on the "latest articles" list is starting to annoy me.

For example:

Books based on games: Halo
"Before you start your ranting, if you don’t know already from my mercenary attitude to buying..."

That really doesn't help me learn what the article is about. If you're not going to populate dedicated summary text, I'd suggest losing the snippet entirely rather than grabbing the first line or so from the article.
smc8788 20th April 2010, 14:52 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbens
Let's not start flaming each other. I don't see why people are being blasted for not liking the new design...and I've already asked for a poll to be added so we can see exactly how many people are in favour or against the new look.

I didn't flame you for not liking it at all. You're quite welcome to that opinion.

I was just saying you shouldn't make that assumption that everyone doesn't like it just because a few people have said so. It's like anything, if people don't like something then they're more likely to complain than if they do. I'm sure once everyone gets used to where they have to look to find something they'll wonder why they were even complaining in the first place.

And you should probably read the blog to see why they made the changes before you say it's just change for the sake of change, because it isn't.
NuTech 20th April 2010, 14:58 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugo
The lack of 'proper' summary text on the "latest articles" list is starting to annoy me.

For example:

Books based on games: Halo
"Before you start your ranting, if you don’t know already from my mercenary attitude to buying..."

That really doesn't help me learn what the article is about. If you're not going to populate dedicated summary text, I'd suggest losing the snippet entirely rather than grabbing the first line or so from the article.
+1 on that.

As I've said before, while I like the redesign (it's miles ahead of old Bit-tech), it doesn't do a good enough job of making the latest and greatest content obvious.
whisperwolf 20th April 2010, 15:13 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugo
The lack of 'proper' summary text on the "latest articles" list is starting to annoy me.

For example:

Books based on games: Halo
"Before you start your ranting, if you don’t know already from my mercenary attitude to buying..."

That really doesn't help me learn what the article is about. If you're not going to populate dedicated summary text, I'd suggest losing the snippet entirely rather than grabbing the first line or so from the article.

Hadn't noticed that before now its going to annoy me. grrrrr.

My only real bug bear at the moment on the front page, is the changing height ratio of picture to black text box for the article thingy on the top left. I'd prefer the text box height to be constant, but its not going to make me rage if it stays as is.

Oh and I use the term "thingy" in its technical engineering sense
mrbens 20th April 2010, 15:14 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by smc8788
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbens
Let's not start flaming each other. I don't see why people are being blasted for not liking the new design...and I've already asked for a poll to be added so we can see exactly how many people are in favour or against the new look.

I didn't flame you for not liking it at all. You're quite welcome to that opinion.

I was just saying you shouldn't make that assumption that everyone doesn't like it just because a few people have said so. It's like anything, if people don't like something then they're more likely to complain than if they do. I'm sure once everyone gets used to where they have to look to find something they'll wonder why they were even complaining in the first place.

And you should probably read the blog to see why they made the changes before you say it's just change for the sake of change, because it isn't.

If the redesign is to show more of the new articles being read then why not simply extend the list they had on the old front page? The layout, visual style and article descriptions were far superior.

Sorry to sound negative, as I said before, we'll all get used to it, but for regular visitors the old format was a joy to use.
[- pio -] 20th April 2010, 15:18 Quote
Thank you for changing the font! It's all good now :)

EDIT: Except for this:
http://grab.by/3SMY
(OS X.5 + Chrome 5)
Jamie 20th April 2010, 15:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by [- pio -]
Thank you for changing the font! It's all good now :)

EDIT: Except for this:
http://grab.by/3SMY
(OS X.5 + Chrome 5)

I shall be addressing that problem at some point. ;)
CardJoe 20th April 2010, 15:39 Quote
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Originally Posted by NuTech
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Originally Posted by Hugo
The lack of 'proper' summary text on the "latest articles" list is starting to annoy me.

For example:

Books based on games: Halo
"Before you start your ranting, if you don’t know already from my mercenary attitude to buying..."

That really doesn't help me learn what the article is about. If you're not going to populate dedicated summary text, I'd suggest losing the snippet entirely rather than grabbing the first line or so from the article.
+1 on that.

That's just a hangover from the change-over. We're changing to the new style as we speak.
SimoomiZ 20th April 2010, 15:44 Quote
Honestly don't understand how anyone thought that this is an improvement, obviously the proof of the pudding will be in the erm... traffic count.

The layout seems far too generic, with nothing given prominence, demanding attention - the latest 6 page review carrying the same weight as a one paragraph blog?
DarkLord7854 20th April 2010, 16:39 Quote
I'm actually starting to notice I have a hard time finding what I want to read and deciding if it'd be interesting or not, all the articles blend together and none of them stand out. :(
Xir 20th April 2010, 16:45 Quote
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Originally Posted by Sifter3000
Fonts are being tweaked. Full blog post to follow!

Thanks!

and yes, I understand 1024 width is standart. No complains there.
(and I also understand it's probably necessary to have the "Ad" comumn so wide...it is cramping the other two though.)
AdmV0rl0n 20th April 2010, 17:06 Quote
OK, feedback. Sorry its not good. The only part that is fine is the toolbar along the top.

The articles now are squeezed into thing lines that force scrolling downward. Masses of new adverts. No account at all of page width. It's 2010, we had pages that resized properly to screen size years back. Its less clear, harder to read, and for some reason everything is based in some vertical madness.

Perhaps many people do reside in this 1024 width, but I can honestly say given wide screens are totally dominant, and that you are a tech site, from where I sit, it looks bad, and masses and masses of page width is simply not used, and everything else is packed into a hard to read vertical scrollfest.

I really really don't like it. Its a lot worse from a readable view to me than your old pages were by magnituded. So much so its actually making me consider removing it from my favourites.
smc8788 20th April 2010, 17:31 Quote
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Originally Posted by AdmV0rl0n
Masses of new adverts.

What? I count 3 adverts, two at the top which are visible when you load to the page, and one at the very bottom when you scroll down. I'm pretty sure the old site only had around 3 ads as well.

The width criticism is one I can understand though. Although the new site is technically wider than the old one, the entire right hand column (which takes up 1/3rd of the page) is essentially useless and features hardly any content whatsoever.
Hiren 20th April 2010, 17:41 Quote
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Originally Posted by AdmV0rl0n
OK, feedback. Sorry its not good. Masses of new adverts.

Actually there are a lot less ads now that there were on the old site. The old site had 5 on the homepage vs 3 now. That's a 40% reduction. The forums now only have 1 at the top vs 3-4 on the old forum.
CardJoe 20th April 2010, 18:09 Quote
Regarding page width, I do think that a lot of people are only looking at this actual post, which is representative of the whole site because:

Blogs are, by design, narrower than articles.

There are way more comments on this page than on any other - you normally wouldn't scroll this far.
Tim S 20th April 2010, 18:17 Quote
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Originally Posted by smc8788
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Originally Posted by AdmV0rl0n
Masses of new adverts.

What? I count 3 adverts, two at the top which are visible when you load to the page, and one at the very bottom when you scroll down. I'm pretty sure the old site only had around 3 ads as well.

The width criticism is one I can understand though. Although the new site is technically wider than the old one, the entire right hand column (which takes up 1/3rd of the page) is essentially useless and features hardly any content whatsoever.

As Hiren says, the old site had five ads per page, sometimes six or seven, depending on how you counted. That's been cut back, which we felt would go down well with the readership - it took a lot of convincing the commercial guys that it'd be a positive step, but when we were proposing it, we felt it'd be a good way to 'give back' to you for your support instead of just throwing an increasing number of ads on every page, which would more likely lead to an increase in ad-blockers. One complaint we'd seen a lot from readers of was high CPU usage - we're not going to reduce CPU usage by increasing the number of ad slots.

Yes, the formats have been changed on the front page, but the fact remains that there are now fewer ads on most (if not all) parts of bit-tech. The square ad (MPU) at the top is one that we have had to implement for business reasons - it's the most requested banner type - but it meant that we could get rid of the two skyscrapers on index pages and on the forums.

On article pages, there are now four ads, compared to five/six/seven previously and the MPU is no longer intrusive and sitting in the text. This is one thing that, editorially, we wanted to do because a) it makes the articles easier to read and b) it makes them easier for us to lay out, too.

I know I don't work on the site any more, but a lot of this design was scoped out long before I moved onto my new role at Expert Reviews (in fact, a lot of the original layout work was visualised before the Dennis acquisition, but it was in desperate need of some sexing up). So, although I'm not technically part of the team any more, I was attached to this particular project until it reached the closed beta stage, where opinions were sought from the readership, so I am able to at least explain some of the reasoning behind particular choices we made.
Hugo 20th April 2010, 21:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by Hiren
Actually there are a lot less ads now that there were on the old site.
You mean fewer ;)

Seriously, though, I'm finding the adverts much less intrusive now. I remain happy having bit-tech on my white-list :)

EDIT: However - this lack of alignment annoys me:

http://i.imgur.com/2FWCX.png
NickCPC 20th April 2010, 21:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by Hugo
FFS Alex et al, the new site is too different - change it back.
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Originally Posted by Hugo
You mean fewer ;)

Seriously, though, I'm finding the adverts much less intrusive now. I remain happy having bit-tech on my white-list :)

EDIT: However - this lack of alignment annoys me...
Where exactly do you stand?
Blademrk 20th April 2010, 22:15 Quote
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Originally Posted by NickCPC
Where exactly do you stand?

Hugo used to work in the same office (back when Trusted Reviews and Bit-Tech shared office space). This should answer your question ;)
smc8788 20th April 2010, 22:35 Quote
He also has a tendency to overdo the sarcasm while not using the designated [sarcasm] tags to prevent such ambiguities.
Hugo 20th April 2010, 23:22 Quote
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Originally Posted by NickCPC
Where exactly do you stand?

I like sarcasm, hence the facetious dig at those readers complaining about the change without even bothering to say what about it they disliked.

To clarify:

I think the new site layout/design is excellent and does a much better job of showing off the great content you guys produce, while also displaying the adverts I'm all too aware are needed to keep the site going.

I'd hope that the bit-tech/CPC guys I've know are well aware they should ignore anything negative I say about the site and/or its content :p
smoothie 21st April 2010, 00:44 Quote
I hate it. There is too much going on with the main page. The third column contains content that is uninteresting to me, and it's too wide, in my opinion. The widths of each of the columns, and the way they are arranged is unpleasant to me, I think because that middle column is off-center just enough to bother me; I don't think that would be a problem if the leftmost column were larger and the rightmost column was smaller.

I don't think it looks as nice as the old layout, and it isn't as easy to read as the old layout or even the one from before the last redesign. I understand that you're producing more content, but I never had trouble finding the content before; I feel like most of your readers check the site at least once a day without missing any articles, as you've claimed we have.

The search and tags sound great, but I'll admit that I haven't used them yet, and I don't know how likely I am to do so since I don't actually like looking at the main page anymore.
I've tried to give it a chance but the layout isn't really doing it for me.
DarkLord7854 21st April 2010, 00:52 Quote
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Originally Posted by smoothie
I feel like most of your readers check the site at least once a day without missing any articles, as you've claimed we have.

+1 to that, I check it a minimum of 2 times a day, or I did anyways, prior to redesign.
perplekks45 21st April 2010, 08:36 Quote
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Originally Posted by DarkLord7854
I'm actually starting to notice I have a hard time finding what I want to read and deciding if it'd be interesting or not, all the articles blend together and none of them stand out. :(
BUT THEY BLEND!!!
CardJoe 21st April 2010, 08:40 Quote
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Originally Posted by Hugo

I'd hope that the bit-tech/CPC guys I've know are well aware they should ignore anything negative I say about the site and/or its content :p

Oh, don't worry Hugo. We ignore everything you say full-stop, just to avoid misunderstandings ;)
Xir 21st April 2010, 09:41 Quote
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Originally Posted by Tim S
As Hiren says, the old site had five ads per page, sometimes six or seven, depending on how you counted. (snip) The square ad (MPU) at the top is one that we have had to implement for business reasons - it's the most requested banner type - but it meant that we could get rid of the two skyscrapers on index pages and on the forums.

well, if you count the "Latest Issue Custom PC" as an add*.... No you're right. :D

The scyscrapers didn't narrow the main text on the main page though.
I agree in the articles the current way is better than the old way. :D


*which for me, as a foreigner, it is.
NickCPC 21st April 2010, 11:13 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugo
I like sarcasm, hence the facetious dig at those readers complaining about the change without even bothering to say what about it they disliked.

To clarify:

I think the new site layout/design is excellent and does a much better job of showing off the great content you guys produce, while also displaying the adverts I'm all too aware are needed to keep the site going.

I'd hope that the bit-tech/CPC guys I've know are well aware they should ignore anything negative I say about the site and/or its content :p

My bad, didn't realise it was sarcasm XD but the number of people of who have asked for the old site back was ridiculous, so when I saw your comment I was like ARGHHHH and decided to put my moaning cap on :P

Glad you like it ;D
AdmV0rl0n 21st April 2010, 13:16 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiren
Actually there are a lot less ads now that there were on the old site. The old site had 5 on the homepage vs 3 now. That's a 40% reduction. The forums now only have 1 at the top vs 3-4 on the old forum.

I did not make myself understood. Sorry for that.
So I'll try again.
The left column where you guys say your interesting things is now squashed, and is in a thin column that requires too much scrolling downward to read.
The articles of interest are squashed into the top of the same section.
Latest news is again in a thin downward column. Adverts are on the right hand side in a third column arrangement, with content underneath.

Simply put, its a mare.
The items above Latest articles should be horizontal across the top of the page, under the bit tech tool bar. Instead they are in an odd looking 5 window ugly arrangement that forces you to push content downward on the page.
The latest articles and latest news should be next to each other.
Your content should reside in a resized area that matches people's screen size, with adverts running outside the content area, or at least in a better way. I do not mind adverts, not at all, but you have contents underneath the adverts.

Look, to be blunt, all of your problems are coming from being doced to push content downward because you are not resizing the pages in a good way.

I'd even prefer you had more averts outside the pages in the now enormous wasted space than having this invasion of your already tight width layouts.

I'm really hating it and I can't say much more on it.
Xir 21st April 2010, 13:21 Quote
...i only click on adverts by mistake...

And THAT happened a lot more with the old design (clicking the side adverts when trying to bring the page back to front)
perplekks45 21st April 2010, 13:25 Quote
You did read the comment about the site actually being SHORTER than the old design, right?
And, sorry to say that, but why are you here if you hate it that much?
Design is always something that polarises people/opinions, but you can't say "this HAS TO go there" or "that HAS TO look like ...", it just doesn't work that way.
If you wanted to influence the site's new design there was enough time to do so in the beta stages. You didn't participate, did you? Neither did I but I'm not bitching. :p

If you really hate it that much go somewhere else. The 'net is still a place of halfway free choice. ;)
AdmV0rl0n 21st April 2010, 13:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by CardJoe
Regarding page width, I do think that a lot of people are only looking at this actual post, which is representative of the whole site because:

Blogs are, by design, narrower than articles.

There are way more comments on this page than on any other - you normally wouldn't scroll this far.

Whoever pitches the premise that blogs are narrow, or that this is a good design is wrong.
Plenty of blogs offer wide width or resizable reading.

However great the content is, if you organise it badly, and make it hard to read, these are two absolute no no's. Whatever you may think, here is the thing, Factually, I'm telling you its worse, for me, from my view. This is not a debate.
On this 1920 x 1080 screen the site looks patently stupid, with a centre section that hard to read, requires dumb scrolling, and has two enormous areas left and right that are complete wasted voids. As well as being narrow, you have had to force multiple columns in so its not just narrow, its three or four narrow sections with adverts being forced in there as well.

You've given the option to avoid fixed width in the forums, perhaps you can offer this site wide..
maximus09 21st April 2010, 19:45 Quote
The new site is awesome guys, much more consistent in layout, the colours are more sutble which is nice and it is much easier to read and find info, nice one!! I agree with some comments, on high res monitors it does look a little teeny, is there no way of putting some dyanamic resizing in?

One question!! When is your iPhone app coming out, tell me you have something planned or are you afraid that people will stop buying the magazine? I would pay for the app and keep my custom PC subscription :D
cool_dude 21st April 2010, 23:37 Quote
Can you guys sort the colours out? Its looking very washed out on my dell screen... :(
pendragon 22nd April 2010, 18:26 Quote
overall i'm okay with the redisign minus one thing ... i don't care for the text-over-pictures on the front page for those couple showcase article/reviews ... it's distracting and not as nice as the larger pictures with text above/below/to the side
cool_dude 23rd April 2010, 00:23 Quote
@ Mods anything re: washed out colours? My eyes :'(
Sifter3000 26th April 2010, 15:22 Quote
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Originally Posted by cool_dude
@ Mods anything re: washed out colours? My eyes :'(

I think it's got to be your screen - we kept the colours consistent from the old site. Screenshot of it?
Sifter3000 26th April 2010, 15:24 Quote
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Originally Posted by maximus09
The new site is awesome guys, much more consistent in layout, the colours are more sutble which is nice and it is much easier to read and find info, nice one!! I agree with some comments, on high res monitors it does look a little teeny, is there no way of putting some dyanamic resizing in?

One question!! When is your iPhone app coming out, tell me you have something planned or are you afraid that people will stop buying the magazine? I would pay for the app and keep my custom PC subscription :D

Dynamic resizing - addressed it in the follow up blog, basically, it's a total pain to do as it really reduces our ability to control where elements - adverts, images, text, nav - appear on the page, so it's not going to happen.

iPhone app - looking in to it, I'd definitely like to do one.
maximus09 26th April 2010, 16:20 Quote
aah i see, yea i can imagine it being a pain. Its definately something which has to be on the table before acually developing the site for it to be easier.

The thing is I read bit-tech on 3 machines, my main home pc, my media PC and my work PC. All run different resolutions. With the media PC its ok as this just runs at full HD res and its quite readable if you zoom to a decent level. On my main PC though it looks small, a firefox app that could save a default zoom level for different websites would be great! Anyone know if there is one like this?

Can't wait for the iphone app!
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