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KidMod-Southpaw 28th October 2012, 19:49 Quote
Right, spent my first full day with Windows 8 and I find the new interface amazing! Yes, it's a learning curve but I got used to the new features more quickly than I thought I would. It's fast, fluid and having everything right in front of you is great! I'm only having to use the desktop for troubleshooting. The live tiles are great, and for me, it'll be a wonderful OS once more things start appearing in the Windows store.

It's well worth the £25, that's a bargain for an OS!
impar 28th October 2012, 20:27 Quote
Greetings!
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Originally Posted by RichCreedy
and this is what telemetrics told Microsoft, which is one of the reasons it was removed, and replaced with the start screen, which lets face it, is a glorified full screen start menu, which I quite like actually
Makes sense.
Since Start Menu was not being used a lot, lets make a new Start, make it fullscreen and offer no way to skip it and no alternative.
There, now telemetrics say everybody is using the new Start Screen. Its a success! :)

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wafflesomd 28th October 2012, 22:36 Quote
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Originally Posted by impar
Greetings!
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Originally Posted by RichCreedy
and this is what telemetrics told Microsoft, which is one of the reasons it was removed, and replaced with the start screen, which lets face it, is a glorified full screen start menu, which I quite like actually
Makes sense.
Since Start Menu was not being used a lot, lets make a new Start, make it fullscreen and offer no way to skip it and no alternative.
There, now telemetrics say everybody is using the new Start Screen. Its a success! :)

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You can get rid of metro ui.

Seriously people, this thread is full of misconceptions.
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Originally Posted by Pookeyhead
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Originally Posted by wafflesomd
Well they could just remove all customization if that's what you want. There are a lot 3rd party applications I use to get windows to work the way I want.

That's not what I meant at all. I meant I shouldn't have to rely on third party apps to get it to do what I want in the first place. I've still to see a reasonable rationale for not having the ability to decide whether you want to boot to desktop, or Metro.

You can disable metro.

You shouldn't have to rely on 3rd party apps? Well time to get rid of steam and wait for microsoft to release a competitor. Tell me, how is IE working for you?

Oh look it's an application that lets you seamlessly switch between the standard start bar and metro.

http://mbossg.deviantart.com/art/Start-Menu-Selector-windows-8-259057773

But it's 3rd party so I don't expect you to like it.

They do the best they can but it's insane to expect them to deliver exactly what YOU want.

On another note, why do you even care. Just don't use the damn OS. Are you being forced to use it or something?
LukeDaly 28th October 2012, 22:53 Quote
I got it for free with university and tbh I rather like it. The performance difference isn't even worth considering when most of the people here have a high end pc anyway.

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Bogomip 28th October 2012, 23:11 Quote
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Originally Posted by impar
Greetings!

Makes sense.
Since Start Menu was not being used a lot, lets make a new Start, make it fullscreen and offer no way to skip it and no alternative.
There, now telemetrics say everybody is using the new Start Screen. Its a success! :)

As opposed to taking it out and putting nothing in there? :) Well then why take it out if you arent going to do anything with it?

Im glad there are so many trying it and actually finding out its ok. Its easy for people to tag on the coat tails of those loud people with big ideas but alot harder to actually go and try something for yourself and form your own ideas.
SuicideNeil 28th October 2012, 23:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by Nexxo
And Windows being as open as it is, for people who don't like Metro there are several good ol'fashioned Start Button plug-ins, for you old folk who don't like change. Everybody happy.

Not all change is good, let's not forget. A touch screen UI that is also forced ( essentially, eventually ) on desktop users is not a good thing, especially when viewed from an aesthetic stance; I don't have to switch to the desktop view to see my lovely wallpapers for example.

It's quite clear that there are lots of great improvements in W8, and a MS OS for the exploding tablet market made sense too, but they should not have tried to save money by combining the two as desktops and tablets require rather different approaches to interfacing and general use.

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Originally Posted by wafflesomd
You can get rid of metro ui.


You can disable metro.

How, please?
Bogomip 28th October 2012, 23:18 Quote
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Originally Posted by SuicideNeil
How, please?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+disable+metro+in+windows+8

edit: though the not being able to see lovely wallpapers thing is something that could be worked on :) There are times I want my computer to look like pictures, as opposed to a computer, and a generic background is the best way I usually achieve this :)
Magmatwister 29th October 2012, 01:29 Quote
The biggest problem for me is that windows 7 is everything I need an OS to be. I literally don't need anything else from my OS. There is absolutely no reason for me to purchase windows 8, even before we talk about the unnecessary learning curve associated with switching.
Deders 29th October 2012, 02:00 Quote
Does anybody know if the the license allows you to install previous versions of windows like you could with XP, in case you decide you prefer 7?
damien c 29th October 2012, 08:06 Quote
Well thanks to a little bit of information I managed to get the Windows 8 upgrade offer for £14.99 even though I don't have a qualifying pc lol.

I thought what the hell might as well give it a try and apart from the lack of the start menu, which can easily be fixed and has been by the installing of a certain app, I am actually liking it.

Takes very little time to boot, and shut down compared to windows 7 on my ssd.

The one thing I do find annoying is the fact that you need a Microsoft account when installing and setting up the pc but, that can be gotten around as well.

To be honest I have not noticed a drop in perfomance compared to windows 7, but I also have not used my pc so much this weekend as I have had to many parties to go to.

I think it will get better but, I am going to try it for a month and see how it goes.
rv88uk 29th October 2012, 09:31 Quote
I thought I'd try out windows 8 over the weekend, to see how I felt, and now I'm back on windows 7 again...

There were certainly things I liked about the new OS. The new task manager is great, and from what I've heard the file copying is greatly improved (I use teracopy so didn't try it). I also liked the ability to group tiles in metro into fairly useful categories, which does help if you can't remember what something is called. The upgrade process was also fairly painless.

What I didn't like...everything just seemed so counter-intuitive.

Firstly I don't mind change, in the past I've regularly switched between linux distros just to 'try a new flavour'. When change is implemented well and with good rationale behind it then I'm all for it. Obviously I didn't give the new os much of a chance either, spending maybe a day at most in it before the 'I've made a huge mistake' reaction. However at the moment I don't have time to learn my way around a new system, plus to a certain extent I feel if something has been thoughtfully designed you shouldn't have to 'learn' it, it should be intuitive.

The counter-intuitive stuff... Having to open settings to shut down the pc (this is actually the first time I've had to google how to shut down a computer). Scrolling down on the mouse to go right in metro. The all programs (or is it 'all apps' now, I forget?) just looks like a complete mess, very hard to find anything. Moving my mouse to the bottom left of the screen to open chrome (pinned to taskbar) and hitting the 'start' button. Plus metro itself, having to open a full screen interface just to launch a program can be quite disorientating. I also found myself going through a maze of different settings options to find what I wanted, and right clicking apps in metro doesn't bring up a context menu, just some options about pinning. When searching for something in metro I have to specify if it's an app, a setting or a file (I think those were the choices), if there's 0 results in 2 of them and 1 result in the other why can't it work that out for itself? There's probably more but at this point i'm just ranting. (oh also my logitech drivers weren't working properly for my g500, but that's logitech's fault, still might be worth checking driver compatibility before upgrading)

Maybe I would have got used to this in time, and sure a 3rd party start menu could solve some problems but there's no chance they'll be installing it (the 3rd party app) in the workplace/office environments. Frankly I'm a little worried if this is the future of the desktop os. Ultimately these changes make no sense to me (at least for a home computer, they do make some sense for tablets), and those that do could arguably have been included in a service pack for Win 7. I might try it in again when it's a little more polished, possibly with a service pack behind it, but for now I can't see windows 8 as anything else than an abomination.
wafflesomd 29th October 2012, 13:38 Quote
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Originally Posted by wafflesomd
You can get rid of metro ui.


You can disable metro.

How, please?

I don't understand how you read this part of my post, and not the rest of it that linked you to a simple little app that allows you to seamlessly switch between metro and the normal windows desktop enviroment.
Kojak 29th October 2012, 17:46 Quote
After debating to take the plunge or not I've decided to stick with 7, must be the first time ever I've not succumbed to curiosity but the way I looked at it in the end was after reading many people say it will get better with updates and service packs to fix certain aspects of it, made me look back at early reviews of W7 and how it was hailed as everything Vista failed to be and should have been. Which led me to the conclusion that the only way Vista was ever fixed was when it was replaced with a newer OS.

I totally understand how some love it, it's down to your personal needs and interests but I just don't think it's for me, I run a dual boot system with one os dedicated to audio production, having a portal trying to sell me stuff bolted to the front of that just wouldn't suit it, It actually looks like the front of an Argos catalogue to me with all the tiles so pass for me.
Sloth 29th October 2012, 19:54 Quote
I've tried skimming over the thread to make sure this hasn't been covered but it's hard to filter useful information out of all the vitriol so I apologize if it's been brought up:

Why were no DX11 games tested? I normally try not to be too critical but this is a performance review of Windows 8, not XP. Two games is already a fairly brief gaming review (understandable since this is meant to be comprehensive) but within that small selection it'd be great to have had some more diversity.
Bogomip 29th October 2012, 20:00 Quote
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Originally Posted by rv88uk
I thought I'd try out windows 8 over the weekend, to see how I felt, and now I'm back on windows 7 again...

Nice to see you at least gave it a good long testing though! A whole weekend :)

OOI to the person above who got it for £15 whilst not qualifying, how did you do this? I bought win7 just recently and was hoping id be able to get the £15 deal but dont seem to be able to :(
rv88uk 29th October 2012, 21:44 Quote
I have heard with the upgrade offer if you specify brand as 'other' then there might be some way to get it without meeting the actual criteria. To be honest though I don't see much difference between that and pirating it, the £25 upgrade deal is pretty good anyway, even if you end up disliking it as I did.

I did originally intend to test if for longer than a weekend (intended to use it until win 9) but I really just couldn't stand it for some reason. I'm tempted to use the license on my netbook, which I don't have to rely on for day to day work. I think the swipe gestures on a touch pad might make metro feel a little more intuitive, plus the screen is so small I rarely use more than one program at a time anyway. Maybe if I get used to it on there then I'll slowly acclimatize and switch on my main desktop. I want to like metro, I like the aesthetics of it and I can some of the reasoning behind it, I just don't think it's been implemented particularly well.
Pookeyhead 30th October 2012, 08:07 Quote
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Originally Posted by wafflesomd


They do the best they can but it's insane to expect them to deliver exactly what YOU want.

Of course not, but having the option to boot into metro or not, would probably suit everyone. There's no disadvantage to adding that after all. It's as they are so proud of it they force you to use it. Never mind, everyone seems to miss my point.
impar 30th October 2012, 09:12 Quote
Greetings!
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Originally Posted by wafflesomd
You can get rid of metro ui.
Using a Microsoft sponsored option? No.
So the point still stands.
PingCrosby 30th October 2012, 09:22 Quote
I'm going for a lay down
wafflesomd 30th October 2012, 15:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by impar
Greetings!
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Originally Posted by wafflesomd
You can get rid of metro ui.
Using a Microsoft sponsored option? No.
So the point still stands.

Seriously! You're completely put off by the fact that the option to disable metro isn't provided by Microsoft?!!!

So regardless of the fact that is does EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT IT TO, it's not from Microsoft so it doesn't count.

You don't have a point. You think the fact that it has be a built in option matters, but it doesn't. At the end of the day, it does what you want it to. I don't believe that if the option was offered by Microsoft that your stance would be any different. If your desire was to actually get rid of metro, then you would happily take the wonderful application that I linked to, and use it.

Windows doesn't have any sort of built in bandwidth limiting. Netlimiter is my savior. Well, it's not built into the OS so I better avoid it and wait for Microsofts own iteration.... Still nothing? I'm sure it will come along any minute now. I mean I suppose I could actually focus on fixing the problem and get the software.

See what I'm getting at? Don't like Metro? Disable it. Don't want to count the app because it's not built in? Then just shutup.

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Originally Posted by Pookeyhead
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Originally Posted by wafflesomd


They do the best they can but it's insane to expect them to deliver exactly what YOU want.

Of course not, but having the option to boot into metro or not, would probably suit everyone. There's no disadvantage to adding that after all. It's as they are so proud of it they force you to use it. Never mind, everyone seems to miss my point.

No I understand. The fact that there isn't a built in option is dumb. I don't know why there didn't put it in there. But it's a moot point because with one simple click, you can disable it, you just need to install this simple application.
lysaer 31st October 2012, 12:14 Quote
I had Windows 8 beta installed as a 2nd boot option on my work laptop which is nix based.

I never really used it in a main OS scenario.

I finally got it installed on my main system and I have to say without a doubt it is frickin awesome.

While it does not have the huge leap in terms of quality that Vista to 7 had. It has added enough small touches to make working considerably smoother and faster.

For example the right click on the start menu to get up all the admin properties, sure it is not revolutionary but it's just so much more convenient.

Also things like the desktop dragging to tiles and general management of the desktop feels incredibly clean.

For £25 digital download or £50 retail, unless there is a specific application that doesn't work with it I really can't see the point in not upgrading.

I'm tempted to add a touch screen to my setup, do they make a 30" touch screen?

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impar 31st October 2012, 12:30 Quote
Greetings!
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Originally Posted by wafflesomd
Seriously! You're completely put off by the fact that the option to disable metro isn't provided by Microsoft?!!!
Backtrack a bit and see why I wrote what I wrote.
RichCreedy mentioned that one of the reasons Microsoft removed Start Menu was that it was not widely used, I made the remark that Microsoft replaced StartMenu by the StartScreen, and that new Start Screen would be a huge success since Microsoft offered no alternative. You then made the comment that "metro ui"can be disabled, sure it can but not using a Microsoft sponsored solution.
Thats the all point, Microsoft doesnt want to offer an alternative to the Start Screen even if third parties are offering alternatives with some degree of success.
Over the weekend I used two machines with Windows 8, one was a laptop with ViStart* and the other was a desktop with Start8. Even if both were running the same OS the experience is different because there was no identical "Start-thing". Had Microsoft offered an alternative to StartScreen (the now classical W7 StartMenu) the expperience would have been identical.

*- Or was it Classic Shell? Cant remember.
wafflesomd 31st October 2012, 15:04 Quote
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Originally Posted by impar
Greetings!
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Originally Posted by wafflesomd
Seriously! You're completely put off by the fact that the option to disable metro isn't provided by Microsoft?!!!
Backtrack a bit and see why I wrote what I wrote.
RichCreedy mentioned that one of the reasons Microsoft removed Start Menu was that it was not widely used, I made the remark that Microsoft replaced StartMenu by the StartScreen, and that new Start Screen would be a huge success since Microsoft offered no alternative. You then made the comment that "metro ui"can be disabled, sure it can but not using a Microsoft sponsored solution.
Thats the all point, Microsoft doesnt want to offer an alternative to the Start Screen even if third parties are offering alternatives with some degree of success.
Over the weekend I used two machines with Windows 8, one was a laptop with ViStart* and the other was a desktop with Start8. Even if both were running the same OS the experience is different because there was no identical "Start-thing". Had Microsoft offered an alternative to StartScreen (the now classical W7 StartMenu) the expperience would have been identical.

*- Or was it Classic Shell? Cant remember.

I don't really care that microsoft doesn't want there to be an option because people made one.
impar 31st October 2012, 20:02 Quote
Greetings!
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Originally Posted by wafflesomd
I don't really care that microsoft doesn't want there to be an option because people made one.
"People" made several.
rv88uk 1st November 2012, 07:58 Quote
The fact that these alternatives are so popular though (unless it is just a vocal minority) strongly suggests some people still want a start menu, so why would microsoft remove it? I don't like feeling forced to use my computer in a particular way and in making this decision microsoft is doing exactly that. It would have been better to provide it as an option first to at least quell the criticism if anything, let people try it on there own terms and win 8 would probably have a much better reception (quite a few reviews seem to say they 'forced themselves' to use it and came to like it, how many home users will be willing to put in the same effort).

There's also an issue if work/office (or in my case university) computers start using windows 8. It's fine to install an alternative start menu at home but there's no chance they'll be doing it in the workplace.
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