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Ergath 9th June 2011, 17:18 Quote
No Legacy? I just let out a bit of salty water from my eyes. Let me be clear: If I have to keep using my current PC for the REST OF MY LIFE in order to still be able to play Alpha Centauri in 2050 I damn well will }:-(

Seriously though, I wouldn't buy a tablet because casual games suck balls (IMHO). If I were to buy a tablet, it would need to be able to play proper classic games such as XCOM. I'm afraid badly-ported Bitmap Brothers games just don't cut it for me, particularly with a dodgy finger-smearing control system. Of course, I'm happy acknowledge that I'm just one (quite strange) person and other people have different requirements - I'm probably one of about six people on the planet who absolutely loves their ion-powered netbook.

Apart from that little bombshell, this looks pretty good - I think WP7 is a great mobile OS, and I think Win 8 promises to be a step up from existing Tablet OSs, particularly with Skydrive integration. I don't think this interface is going to be much use on a "proper" computer though..
GeorgeStorm 9th June 2011, 17:20 Quote
Don't like the direction they're going at all, very Appley in my opinion.
While yeah this would be fine on a tablet/phone, can't really imagine anything worse for a desktop.
Just dumbs everything down.
frankswistow@yahoo 9th June 2011, 17:30 Quote
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Originally Posted by Siskodata
New interface mmmmmm NO

Its ok for pads and mobiles but not desktop call me old fashioned but even touch screen on a desktop for me has no use so the interface is useless. I think with a mouse that interface doesn't work well and I am sure it won't be used that much maybe new users will like it but not for me.

I would agree that the using a touch screen for using desktop computers is pretty much useless, but that is only because we haven't yet seen what kind of interfaces will be developed for desktop machines. The following technology allows for a touch based operating system to be used by allowing your hands to appear inside the computer while resting on your desk. This type of technology could help usher in the use of touch-enabled operating systems since you are allowed the convenience of touch with the precision of a stylus if needed.

Video of Electronic Looking Glass: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nfCeSuhmog
thehippoz 9th June 2011, 17:38 Quote
have a windows 7 phone.. I like it

I seen this commercial for iphone and they brag about being able to surf the net while talking to someone.. on the windows phone, can play mp3, message and talk to someone while surfing the net.. pretty cool cause does what it's supposed to do as a phone (but no apps).. only thing it's missing is a gps

I dunno if I'd want that interface on my desktop though
dr-strangelove 9th June 2011, 18:08 Quote
The new xbox dashboard, word 2010, windows vista, and now this... feels like windows 7 is the only thing microsoft has done right in recent years
Razorii 9th June 2011, 18:46 Quote
There are some pretty smart people working at Microsoft (we hope) so how hard would it be to make Windows 8 smart enough to know what input options are available on the device it's being installed on and configure to GUI accordingly? That way tablet users get the spiffy new tiles and other touch-centric features and those of us who aren't ready to toss out our mice and keyboards get something more appropriate to the way we use our PCs.
DbD 9th June 2011, 19:05 Quote
Clearly what we are seeing there is 2 UI's that aren't going to end up together.

The *new* windows 8 bit is a tablet finger touch ui which will be naff with a mouse/keyboard.

The *old* ui - see picture with MS word in windows 8 - is great for a mouse/keyboard but completely unusable in a finger touch tablet.

Hence windows 8 is going to have to consist of:
-a mouse/keyboard interface, i..e windows 7 with a few tweaks.
-a tablet ui, i.e. tweaked windows phone 7.

The only advantage they have is you could run office 2010 in your tablet ui as it's still windows. It'll be completely unusable and run like a dog, but it'll be there.
zr_ox 9th June 2011, 19:11 Quote
So they plaster social media feeds all over the user interface and call it radical...me thinks not!
azrael- 9th June 2011, 19:59 Quote
This is typical Microsoft for you. Change for change's sake. Oh, and because there's new-fangled thing called "tablets", which is all the rage now. Better come up with something tablet-y then...

It's no secret that I abhor the Win7 UI (well, most of it, anyway). And while the new tile-based start screen probably works swell on those "tablet" thingies it has absolutely NO PLACE AT ALL on the desktop.

I take consolation from the fact that most people around here seem to share my disdain for the new Win8 UI. Although it's probably too much to hope for that Microsoft notices how people feel about their new "shinyness" before it's too late.
Waynio 9th June 2011, 20:48 Quote


Really if they are going to dumb down windows so heavily to make it look like a wickedly overgrown tablet they really should make it as an alternative skin to the OS like media centre ;) if I wanted that type of overly simplified operation I'd go to apple or just use a "smart phone" or tablet which I don't like either of :D so I really hope they don't use that stupid interface & have it as an alternative start up option else I could easily fall out of love with pc's.
Boogle 10th June 2011, 11:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by LJF
...Sorry for going off on a bit of a flight of fancy there, i'm making sweeping assumptions there, I know, but these are the kind of things I would like to see implemented...

I agree it might be tricky to get used a new approach but things change. I think we should embrace it. If it doesnt work, things will revert back to the way they are now, i'm fairly sure.

Actually I totally agree with you and your flight of fancy. If anyone has seen the Kal-El demo, and the latest 'padfone' concepts then convergence is obvious. Think about what most people use their computer for. They use it to access stuff on the net, do some Officey stuff, play the occasional game and watch some media. All of this stuff even Kal-El is totally capable of doing with enough performance to make it smooth. I can foresee in the future that your mobile phone will be your main device, with various docks about the place so you can get the necessary input devices to make your actions comfortable.

Using it as a phone? WP7 interface. Using it on the train, get the tablet dock out (or use the built-in dock in the table) and start working on your next presentation with the new Metro interface. Then when you get home, you hook it into another dock that connects to your TV. Use the Metro MCE interface to check a few feeds and watch your movies that have been downloading to the device all day. Then you want to get some work done plug it into your desktop dock and the interface switches to traditional Windows UI with the keyboard, mouse, and multiple monitors.

In this future your customisation options and settings carry with you, along with all of the apps you regularly use because you're basically taking your PC with you. The train company, cyber cafes, etc. all provide just universal docking opportunities. The cloud lets you store long-term data that's available for all of your devices. Think of the resource savings - rather than buying whole new computers you just buy the main bit, the docks stick around for years and years. Plus as I'm sure everyone will agree - using your own kit tends to be a more pleasant experience and everything is set up just how you like it - and no amount of settings syncing can quite match that personal touch.

I think it's a fantastic future, as long as the privacy and data-mining concerns are dealt with.
Xir 10th June 2011, 15:38 Quote
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Originally Posted by LJF
It's as though folks think Microsoft don't have an R&D department.
They do, they're the folks that brought us Win98 ME, and Vista, and Ribbon-interfaces.
They're people that try to imagine what you'd need working on a global team and how great that could be, and not seeing that the product they develop get's then used to contact the-office-one-down-the-hall for coffeebreakes :D
Hakuren 10th June 2011, 16:00 Quote
M$ get lost with your stupid ideas. Bring back simplicity of older Windows not make them even more cumbersome and useless. I wonder if anyone at M$ heard about words/phrases like: ergonomics, simplicity, local workstation, streamlining workload, privacy? Even now I do run whole W7 with Classic Shell freeware installed, just to hide that atrocious shell a la Vista/7. W8 is total abomination. I can hear Apple/Unix users ROFL-MAO-ing all around the world. And I also returning to Unix environment from a day I read first preview of W8. As for lack of legacy support for tablets. I couldn't care less. Tablets are gadgets for nerds that can't live without PC for more than 3 seconds flat. And finally. Any system integrated with anti-social networks is dead for me. DEAD.

And just a word to B-T crew. On that picture it is not classic interface. It is Aero rubbish next to 'W8 style' rubbish...
BlackRaven 10th June 2011, 17:57 Quote
So we are getting a front end to windows
_Metal_Guitar_ 10th June 2011, 19:03 Quote
Honestly, I'm not seeing the problem. It looks like the OS has two GUIs, the tablet version and then desktop mode. I would imagine that MS aren't stupid enough to force you to use the tablet interface if your using it as a desktop PC.

Being able to switch between a tablet and desktop would be quite handy. You've got you're nice touch screen device docked up with a mouse and keyboard on the go in the classic GUI....then you have to leave and get the train, undock and flip into a tablet, carry on with whatever you were doing. Sure, that's not going to be what everyone wants or need, but when is it ever?
ssj12 10th June 2011, 19:07 Quote
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Originally Posted by sp4nky
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It's been 16 years since the jump from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95. In that time we've seen mobile phones dominate train journeys, three atrocious Star Wars films...
So out of the four Star Wars films, which one wasn't atrocious? Was it:

Episode 1: the one with the pod race and the god-awful Jar Jar Binks
Episode 2: the one in which all the Jedi die
The Clone Wars: a cartoon that didn't work as a series so they repackaged it as a film
Episode 3: the one where I fell asleep , where Anakin becomes James Earl Jones and does his comedy "Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

??

Actually there are two different Clone Wars. The CGI movie, and the Cartoon Network series. The Cartoon Network series was awesome, the CGI was garbage as we all know.

Anyway, I really hope Microsoft doesnt mean that Windows 9 will become WP7's OS. I would definitely be switching to Linux as my primary and Mac as my secondary just to throw my middle finger at Microsoft.
OCJunkie 10th June 2011, 22:13 Quote
Um, noooo thanks... if I wanted a tablet interface on my PC I would, well, use a freaking tablet. Looks like I'll be sticking to Win7 for quite a while if this is the direction they're taking. Skip 8 and go to 9, of course assuming they don't fack that one up too.
Bauul 11th June 2011, 18:59 Quote
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Originally Posted by Hakuren
And just a word to B-T crew. On that picture it is not classic interface. It is Aero rubbish next to 'W8 style' rubbish...

Icons on a desktop, taskbar at the bottom, start button for the start menu...

It might be formatted a little differently, but it's still the classic interface.
azrael- 11th June 2011, 19:27 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bauul
Icons on a desktop, taskbar at the bottom, start button for the start menu...

It might be formatted a little differently, but it's still the classic interface.
To some extent, so was the Windows 3.1 shell... :p
TheUn4seen 11th June 2011, 20:28 Quote
I sure hope they'll leave the "pro" or "ultimate" version without the new interface garbage. Because, you know, there are still some people doing some actual work without wasting time on social media - a thing manufacturers tend to forget, like some Motorola smartphones that require you to have a failbook account to use the phone (motoblur crap). Somehow I just don't see using Maya, 3dsmax or AutoCAD with "apps" clogging the interface or, even worse, ona a bolted-on, slow as hell emulated pseudo-interface.

Like many people already said - if I ever want a dumbed-down, inefficient interface for idiots, I'll just buy a tablet, anything from Apple or a "chromebook", all of which highly unlikely. For productivity, the "classic" interface is the king of the hill.
leslie 11th June 2011, 22:03 Quote
That had to be the WORST preview/demo in the history of computing.


I get it, I do, but the way they showed and explained it, was extremely poor.
Someone needs to be fired for that because they just convinced a ton of geeks that they have effectively killed the desktop. Way to go MS!

If I was an investor I would once again be screaming for Balmer's head on a stick.



And contrary to what people think, pc's aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
TeenGeek 11th June 2011, 22:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by sp4nky
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It's been 16 years since the jump from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95. In that time we've seen mobile phones dominate train journeys, three atrocious Star Wars films...
So out of the four Star Wars films, which one wasn't atrocious? Was it:

Episode 1: the one with the pod race and the god-awful Jar Jar Binks
Episode 2: the one in which all the Jedi die
The Clone Wars: a cartoon that didn't work as a series so they repackaged it as a film
Episode 3: the one where I fell asleep , where Anakin becomes James Earl Jones and does his comedy "Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

??

imo the clone wars deosnt even count... im a huge fan of star wars...
azrael- 11th June 2011, 23:19 Quote
I was a huge fan of Star Wars. Episode 1 managed to change all that.
Nexxo 12th June 2011, 14:32 Quote
Yeah, gotta love the old, purist Windows. The one with a clock on the task bar, but no date and no built in alarms or reminders and no link to your Calendar application. The one where you have to click a button labelled "Start" to shut down the PC. The one where your roaming desktop takes your printer settings with you to another PC which is hooked up to an entirely different printer, but not your Internet favourites and history, instead of the other way around.

The one which cannot do basic stuff like: send someone a calendar appointment without being on the same Exchange server; poll for votes without being on the same Exchange server, cannot have external disks or memory sticks dynamically pop up on your desktop like you can with Amiga OS, and until Vista could not unplug USB devices without having a small fit.

It's the one with Clippy, Agents (yeah, remember those? It's the cute puppy that sits in your File Search window, with the function of... well, looking cute?) and rubbish clip art cluttering your disk apace.

I could see some room for improvement.
azrael- 12th June 2011, 18:26 Quote
You mean, unlike a certain OS, where you, amongst other things, drag a CD/DVD icon to the trash can in order to eject the media? Which, coincidentally, is the same OS, where the only way to resize a window is by dragging the lower right corner... :p

Sorry, couldn't help myself. I'll get my coat...
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