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Flanananagan 9th June 2011, 08:54 Quote
What's coming in Windows 8?

Me.
Siskodata 9th June 2011, 09:13 Quote
New interface mmmmmm NO

Its ok for pads and mobiles but not desktop call me old fashioned but even touch screen on a desktop for me has no use so the interface is useless. I think with a mouse that interface doesn't work well and I am sure it won't be used that much maybe new users will like it but not for me.
SlowMotionSuicide 9th June 2011, 09:21 Quote
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It's been 16 years since the jump from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95. In that time we've seen mobile phones dominate train journeys, three atrocious Star Wars films and Sony ousting Sega from the console business, but we're still basically muddling around with the same desktop computer interface.

If it ain't broken, don't fix it.

Looks pretty rad for tablet, but I seriously hope they won't be pushing this for regular desktop use.
rogerrabbits 9th June 2011, 09:25 Quote
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Originally Posted by Siskodata
New interface mmmmmm NO

Its ok for pads and mobiles but not desktop call me old fashioned but even touch screen on a desktop for me has no use so the interface is useless. I think with a mouse that interface doesn't work well and I am sure it won't be used that much maybe new users will like it but not for me.

I'm happy to give it a chance and wait and see how I feel after some time using it. I'm a little sceptical though too. The thing with little icons is that you barely need to move your cursor to go from icon to icon. So I have 10 icons on my desktop that load 10 of my key things. One is a document I use a lot, one is my sound settings which I change regularly when I switch monitors, and the rest are apps and games that I use regularly. I only need to move my cursor 6 inches in a square and I have access to all of them. Getting a pretty preview of each one isn't really that useful to me, and the downside of having to move further and perhaps pan to other screens, just seems a bit chore-like.

If it's fully customisable though, I could probably get used to it. If I can get rid of all the crap they have on there like weather, stocks, and twitter, etc, and just have all my most frequently used stuff, it would probably be quite usable.
sp4nky 9th June 2011, 09:33 Quote
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It's been 16 years since the jump from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95. In that time we've seen mobile phones dominate train journeys, three atrocious Star Wars films...
So out of the four Star Wars films, which one wasn't atrocious? Was it:

Episode 1: the one with the pod race and the god-awful Jar Jar Binks
Episode 2: the one in which all the Jedi die
The Clone Wars: a cartoon that didn't work as a series so they repackaged it as a film
Episode 3: the one where I fell asleep , where Anakin becomes James Earl Jones and does his comedy "Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

??
DriftCarl 9th June 2011, 09:38 Quote
Atleast they are moving forward.
I am happy with W7 for now and I like the current UI even if it has been around for a while.
I can see the new UI being easier to use for the non technical. Hopefully the new UI can be saved to a file so that it can be pushed out to multiple users.
I can definatly see a screen on a wall at home that the whole family interact with, I would assume that Kinect support would be key for that. Send email to a friend, start a skype call with a family member, load up iplayer and watch a tv show. It could mean the end of a traditional office desk and PC in the corner of the living room for the average non gamer joe.
V3ctor 9th June 2011, 09:42 Quote
I think this windows is good for tablets and other gimmicks... But please don't put this in the desktop...
arcticstoat 9th June 2011, 09:46 Quote
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Originally Posted by sp4nky
So out of the four Star Wars films, which one wasn't atrocious? Was it:

Episode 1: the one with the pod race and the god-awful Jar Jar Binks
Episode 2: the one in which all the Jedi die
The Clone Wars: a cartoon that didn't work as a series so they repackaged it as a film
Episode 3: the one where I fell asleep , where Anakin becomes James Earl Jones and does his comedy "Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Oh damn, I'd forgotten about Clone Wars - I think I just try to erase anything Lucas has done in the last two decades from my memory, and pretend it doesn't exist.
r3loaded 9th June 2011, 10:12 Quote
I'd prefer if Windows had this bit of code upon startup:
Code:
if (System.HasTouchEnabled){
  launchTouchShell();
} else {
  launchClassicShell();
}

I'd prefer a refined and improved classic shell on a non-touch system.
CrapBag 9th June 2011, 10:14 Quote
As iterated by the people above, No for a desktop pc.

I hate people touching my monitor and why would I want to be leaning over my desk to keep poking and prodding my screen (not that its a touch screen anyway), this should be called windows tablet or something.

No thanks.
scott_chegg 9th June 2011, 10:27 Quote
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Originally Posted by r3loaded
I'd prefer if Windows had this bit of code upon startup:
Code:
if (System.HasTouchEnabled){
  launchTouchShell();
} else {
  launchClassicShell();
}

I'd prefer a refined and improved classic shell on a non-touch system.

You'll no doubt be able to tick a box to accomplish this.
lxrysprtmscl 9th June 2011, 10:31 Quote
microsoft is already taking the path of apple with windows phone7. why can't they just do them same as apple, again, with the whole desktop/notebook/tablet debacle. windows for desktop/notebooks. windows phone 7 for tablets/phones. makes a lot more sense to me. less fragmentation of the architecture, imo.
Bauul 9th June 2011, 10:50 Quote
I think it looks pretty good for a tablet OS: the Win Phone 7 tile layout works pretty well, and I can see this genuinely bridging the gap between your glorified smartphone tablet "web-books" and your full powered laptop.

However, as a Desktop OS: no thanks. All the demonstrated additions seem rather pointless for a desktop. Using that tile start-up as the lock-screen might work, but nothing else. Hopefully you can turn it all off and just use the classic interface.
Xir 9th June 2011, 10:59 Quote
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Start screen is this personal mosaic of tiles - every app on your system is represented by a tile.'
Wow, we're calling "programme's" "App" now, woohoo, Major change.

Anyway, look at that "Mosaic Start" screen.

Shopping, weather, news, a blog, another blog (called tweet), pictures, someone commenting on your pictures,ooooh, a calendar, movies.

Now look at the Desktop of your work computer, no, not your IPhone, your work computer...
Which of the above are there and usefull?

To me it looks like they're showing playtime, which is nice, but not what most office computers use, nor need, nor are allowed to run.
And office computers are where the money is.

I propose a different system:
Make an OS for the casual user, for tablets, phones, your bathroom wall, whatever. Make it bright, colourfull, animated, always-online, cloudbased... whatever you like.
Win 8 Bright'n Shiny
And make a second OS for work users. Down to business, no frills, does what you tell it, nothing else. Programmes not apps. Backwards compatible. Doesn't phone out of your secured network. Serious. Everything where it used to be so transition from old to new is fast and easy without expensive schooling all your office dummies*
Win 8 NT...or Win 8 Professional

*and yes, I consideer myself an office dummy in this case :D
Bbq.of.DooM 9th June 2011, 11:14 Quote
I'm pretty sure you mean 16 years from windows 3.1 to windows 7. 3.1 came out in 1992, and 16 years later was not 1995.
arcticstoat 9th June 2011, 11:22 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bbq.of.DooM
I'm pretty sure you mean 16 years from windows 3.1 to windows 7. 3.1 came out in 1992, and 16 years later was not 1995.

No, it's been 16 years since 'the jump from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95' - i.e. it's been 16 years since Windows 95.
Stotherd-001 9th June 2011, 11:26 Quote
Windows has always had the option to 'look professional'. You can make Windows 7 look like Windows 2000 fairly easily. They won't suddenly drop that.

Oh, and you have to forgive a bit of Episode 3. It gave us Backstroke of The West. Presbyterian Church FTW.
lp1988 9th June 2011, 11:30 Quote
First Microsoft tries to put a full windows on a phone, they get beaten down as it was completely useless.

Now they seem to be trying to do it the other way around XD

just leave it to Microsoft not to learn from their mistakes.
r8bwp 9th June 2011, 11:35 Quote
i`ve used windows from the day of its birth, some transitions have been inspired from what was, others well the screams of WTF have you done could be heard miles away.

I am not against change but Microsoft does have good record of bloopers especially in their operating systems. Some of them I hated so much, sometimes returning to the previous version. I have only recently laid to rest my XP PRO (cautiously) for WIN7. We all know the bloopers and the taste it left in our mouths and the hole it left in our wallets.

I`ll not be changing in a hurry to win8, Microsoft should bear in mind that the older generation doesn`t like constantly relearning or searching for the item (icon) file folder. Well it used to be there, where have they put it now. As you get older you like change less and less.

All very well for the tablet and the Iphone generation and the throwaway tech who can adapt to the change quickly, at 47 I`m starting to appreciate knowing where everything goes.

If the keyboard was drastically changed in its layout, remapping the keyboard would be a nightmare in my head (fighting to two layouts, well it used to be there! AARRGGHH)

On the other hand it took me a long time to switch to win7 64 ultimate and it was a lot less painful and worrysome than I had expected (THANKS VISTA!!! PIECE OF S*IT. I WANT MY MONEY BACK!!!!).
Having said that I quite like win7 64 ultimate and has been very stable with very few glitches(My opinion and my needs).
PHEW!! that was a relief.

I suppose what I`m trying to say is:
i`m getting older(sniff, grumble ,moan)
I don`t want to be searching for something when I knew where it was or how it worked.
Deciding if a new operating system is a white elephant and a waste of money.(can i have my money back. NO!)
I don`t own a console and never will.
I don`t own a tablet and never will. I`m sure RSI will be an issue at some time for these people.
My mobile is a samsung D500(OLD)
I`ll upgrade the hardware every 3 yrs but the operating system, well thats a different matter.

I respect that I am biaised from my own perspective, experiences and my needs are different from other users.
StoneyMahoney 9th June 2011, 11:35 Quote
As good as a new version of Windows ever looks in a presentation, there are *always* some howlers in the interface design that you don't find until they're staring you right in the face. We all have our own personal examples, decisions that just can't be rationalised in any way shape or form. I suspect Windows 8 will have an awful lot of these, what with two interfaces for them to screw up simultaneously.
phuzz 9th June 2011, 11:40 Quote
I'm assuming there'll be a new version of Windows Server (2012?) released around the same time and based on the same kernel, and that certainly won't have a flash new interface, so don't worry folks, you'll still be able to run a nice old school grey UI.

(o/t I'm 30 and I still find it pretty easy to pick up new interfaces. Is there a cut off point?)
runadumb 9th June 2011, 12:13 Quote
I think Microsoft did exactly what they needed too do. For everyone saying "just give us the old ways" you seem to miss the point that the traditional PC is dying. For most people now PC's are just a gateway onto the internet which is where the real interest now lays. We can access the internet in a growing number of ways that are easier than on a normal PC. The learning curve is low and the experience is fast (if somewhat more limited).

The startling rise of tablets has proven that people just want a streamlined experience. I still can't get over the success of the ipad, which, at least at launch was pretty ****. I still wouldn't even consider buying one or any other current tablet for that matter. However Windows 8 may change that due to it's adaptive potential.

Now I wonder if you showed someone an Ipad 2(3?) then a windows 8 device which one would hold the most interest? Considering that windows 8 should allow for form-factors that change depending on use (like the asus transformer) i would hope most people would swing back towards a real computer with it's added flexibly.

Why buy an Ipad/android tablet that's just a tablet when you can buy a laptop that's a tablet, that's a PC just by changing a dock?
Although as windows 8 is at least a year away maybe the mobile OS's will grow enough that people simply don't care and the current PC model will be completely dead.

I think Microsoft nailed it with this design, and while I doubt I will be using that overlay on my desktop PC, it has so much potential a tablet/laptop device. I can't wait too see more.
S1W1 9th June 2011, 12:16 Quote
I would welcome the evolution of an already good OS (Windows 7) to become even better and more refined, but I just don't see the point of a complete revolution of an already very successful and user-friendly OS. I'm sure the new interface will appeal to a basic user who just uses his PC to browse facebook and write the odd word document, but for an enthusiast, a gamer or anyone who uses the PC for work/more complex programs the current style layout is superior in so many ways.

It's hard to see what Microsoft were thinking: "over 90% of computer-owners choose to run our OS, so we must need to completely and radically change our product..."
WHY?

I think the best thing Windows could do if they want to introduce this new interface is produce "Win 8 home" with the simplified, tablet interface seen above and also produce a different win 8 proffessional (or something like that) with a refined version of the current interface.

That way Micrsoft could steal some of the users who just want siplicity (i.e. mac users) whilst keeping hold of the massive segment of PC users who either use the PC for work or who use it for gaming and more complex programs and treasure the old interface.
Evildead666 9th June 2011, 12:33 Quote
Looks like i'll be sticking with Win7 for a loooong time then.
MS haven't got a clue lately.

Win7 is doing great, people like it, so they announce Win8, based on a Tablet interface. wtf.
ARM is a potentially huge market, so they will release a very restricted OS for it. w.t.f.

I think its about time DirectX was prized from their monopolistic hands, and distributed to the other OS's.
Who will be king of the hill then eh ?

Win7 was the first time I didn't have Classic view.
I've had touch screens at work on my desktop, great fun, but completely useless. It just looks like MS is jumping on a certain iOS bandwagon, and blurting out that they are doing Apple-style, but better ;).
(I don't have any Apple devices or a smartphone)
Adnoctum 9th June 2011, 12:49 Quote
Wow, way to go Microsoft. You have made Ubuntu's new Unity UI look intelligently thought-out and well implemented.

The problem with this W8 UI (and to a lesser extent Unity) is that in the search for a unified OS UI that crosses all platforms they have created desktop disasters to cure tablet problems. If you think that tablets are going to be the main way we work with computers, then fine. But I don't think pecking at 7-10in touch-screen is going to replace a KB+M any time soon, and this UI is useless with a KB+M.

I keep seeing these fantastic futuristic UI or input methods and thinking "That looks slow" or "That looks tiring" or "That looks painful". Don't these "designers" ever talk to the productivity or biomechanics researchers any more?
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