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Veles 22nd October 2009, 13:35 Quote
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We were never big fans of the Quick Launch area because it was too fiddly and, if you wanted to store lots of regularly-used applications that were all accessible with a single click, it took up valuable taskbar space - I'm a fairly heavy multi-tasker, so taskbar space came at a premium.

Are you kidding? Quick launch is awesome! Just have a double height taskbar, window tabby things on the top, quick launch below and you've never got the need to go to you desktop ever again.

Sure, it's not great if you're using a smaller monitor but on 1280x1024 I find the loss of a tiny bit of vertical screen space absolutely worth the increase in ease of use it brings. You can also use hide taskbar thing if you're really picky.

Anyway, back to my reading.

EDIT: Ok the new taskbar does sound awesome if I'm interpreting this right. It's essentially like they've merged the quick launch and task bar tabs? So you have thunderbird pinned on there, you click on it and it opens it, once it opens it acts as the tab?
docodine 22nd October 2009, 13:36 Quote
On page seven, it seemed like you could do GPU transcoding to a Zune, but not when it was mentioned again..

When will we see a game performance comparison? :O
Phil Rhodes 22nd October 2009, 13:39 Quote
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...Windows 7 to be every bit as good as Windows XP...

Yes that's what I thought you'd say.

But seriously. Exactly what does this thing offer, beyond some extremely minor upgrades to the UI which are of extremely fleeting usefulness and being, ooh, look, almost nearly not quite as fast as what they were doing ten years ago? The user experience for windows has not substantively changed since the mid-nineties, notwithstanding an undeniable increase in stability with 2000. All they've done since then is consume ever more system resources to do essentially the same thing.

And why is it at least forty per cent more expensive in the UK than it is over the pond?

Oh well, I suspect I will never get the one feature I want Windows to have, which is to be able to filter explorer windows by typing wildcards into the address bar.
Tim S 22nd October 2009, 13:40 Quote
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On page seven, it seemed like you could do GPU transcoding to a Zune, but not when it was mentioned again..
Argh, my bad - it's the latter at the moment. It's more likely to get support than the iPod though (we all know what Apple is like), but we could see it in a later version of iTunes I guess. :)
Tim S 22nd October 2009, 13:41 Quote
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EDIT: Ok the new taskbar does sound awesome if I'm interpreting this right. It's essentially like they've merged the quick launch and task bar tabs? So you have thunderbird pinned on there, you click on it and it opens it, once it opens it acts as the tab?
Yes, that's correct.
Zoon 22nd October 2009, 13:43 Quote
Here's some tips and tricks to aid your acclimatisation to Windows 7.

http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/50-seriously-useful-windows-7-tips-528483?artc_pg=1

I'm loving it, I'm feeling more productive under 7 than I ever did in Vista, and it runs so much quicker and smoother.
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EDIT: Ok the new taskbar does sound awesome if I'm interpreting this right. It's essentially like they've merged the quick launch and task bar tabs? So you have thunderbird pinned on there, you click on it and it opens it, once it opens it acts as the tab?
Yeah and you can shift-click it to spawn another instance of the same app (assuming the app supports it).
Claave 22nd October 2009, 13:44 Quote
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...Windows 7 to be every bit as good as Windows XP...

Yes that's what I thought you'd say.

But seriously. Exactly what does this thing offer, beyond some extremely minor upgrades to the UI which are of extremely fleeting usefulness and being, ooh, look, almost nearly not quite as fast as what they were doing ten years ago? The user experience for windows has not substantively changed since the mid-nineties, notwithstanding an undeniable increase in stability with 2000. All they've done since then is consume ever more system resources to do essentially the same thing.

And why is it at least forty per cent more expensive in the UK than it is over the pond?

Oh well, I suspect I will never get the one feature I want Windows to have, which is to be able to filter explorer windows by typing wildcards into the address bar.

I'm guessing you haven't used Win7 yet then? :D
Phil Rhodes 22nd October 2009, 13:46 Quote
What does "homegroup" mean?

Is that the latest code for "can be an SMB server?"

That's the only reason I ever bought XP Pro, so I could serve files from it.

Oh, and, no, I haven't, you dimwit, it came out today. I have used Vista, which appeared in all respects to be the Shakespearian play named Windows XP as performed by Cirque du Soleil, by which I mean it was in all respects precisely identical with XP except for a lot of people standing on their heads. On a trampoline. Wearing spandex.
Tim S 22nd October 2009, 13:49 Quote
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What does "homegroup" mean?

Is that the latest code for "can be an SMB server?"

That's the only reason I ever bought XP Pro, so I could serve files from it.

No, it's to share files across a home network with little/no effort, unlike Vista and XP, which required rather a lot of jumping through hoops. The effort required isn't much more strenuous than typing the network key into the text box.
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Oh, and, no, I haven't, you dimwit, it came out today
Less of the personal attacks, dimwit.

The beta and RCs have been publicly available for download since January this year.
Veles 22nd October 2009, 13:50 Quote
Now I can't wait for Win7 and my new graphics card to get here :D
Bindibadgi 22nd October 2009, 13:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by Phil Rhodes
But seriously. Exactly what does this thing offer, beyond some extremely minor upgrades to the UI which are of extremely fleeting usefulness and being, ooh, look, almost nearly not quite as fast as what they were doing ten years ago? The user experience for windows has not substantively changed since the mid-nineties, notwithstanding an undeniable increase in stability with 2000. All they've done since then is consume ever more system resources to do essentially the same thing.

Multi-threading kernel
Better multi-tasking UI
64-bit
Bigger memory footprint support
Direct compute
DX11
Native AVCHD support in MCE/Media Centre
TRIM and SSD support
More efficient Windows update method
Better driver - kernel relationship (think "this driver stopped responding" rather than bluescreen)
Better handling of hardware in general
Better RAID support (through additional driver/software support like Intel Matrix RAID however)
Generally better networking (wireless notably)
Library functionality
Quick access directories from the taskbar
Windows docking
Improved multi-monitor support (although still no task bar extension! boo!)

Yea, you're right, there's not much now I come to think of it. :p
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Oh, and, no, I haven't, you dimwit, it came out today. I have used Vista, which appeared in all respects to be the Shakespearian play named Windows XP as performed by Cirque du Soleil, by which I mean it was in all respects precisely identical with XP except for a lot of people standing on their heads. On a trampoline. Wearing spandex.

RC1 was available free of charge for everyone to try. There's no need to resort to name calling.
Krikkit 22nd October 2009, 13:55 Quote
I'm really going to miss XP. It really is one of those bad-turns-awesome stories imo.
Kyocera 22nd October 2009, 13:57 Quote
Most interesting and admirable were the screen-shots.
Thanks to them I landed on Tim Smalley's Flickr page.

The photos are, well let us leave the descriptions, we should petition for a 1920x1200 resolution download section here on Bit-tech for desktop backgrounds.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/timsmalley/4029132254/
just look at this Cumbria photo!
it's so dreamy, film like, succulent, and inspiring.
Phil Rhodes 22nd October 2009, 13:57 Quote
Oh, asterisks. Does this mean that 7 will or will not work with an existing workgroup, since we're likely to have XP machines here for the forseeable future? I can't believe they've broken that, have they?
Tim S 22nd October 2009, 13:59 Quote
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Oh, asterisks. Does this mean that 7 will or will not work with an existing workgroup, since we're likely to have XP machines here for the forseeable future? I can't believe they've broken that, have they?

Nope, you can still join other networks in the same way that you did before.
Bindibadgi 22nd October 2009, 14:00 Quote
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I'm really going to miss XP. It really is one of those bad-turns-awesome stories imo.

No you won't. Seriously, once you use 7 for a month you won't go back. I find it painfully backward now. I mean Vista was and still is a pain, I can't even go back to that.
Stuey 22nd October 2009, 14:12 Quote
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No you won't. Seriously, once you use 7 for a month you won't go back. I find it painfully backward now. I mean Vista was and still is a pain, I can't even go back to that.
Agreed.
Hugo 22nd October 2009, 14:13 Quote
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I'm really going to miss XP. It really is one of those bad-turns-awesome stories imo.
No you won't. Seriously, once you use 7 for a month you won't go back. I find it painfully backward now. I mean Vista was and still is a pain, I can't even go back to that.
This. I have to use XP at work and it's unimaginably annoying as I have 7 on my home PC. I still maintain people bitched about Vista too much - never had any problems myself.
Phil Rhodes 22nd October 2009, 14:14 Quote
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Multi-threading kernel

I have to ask, if it's sort of about as fast as XP, how that helps.
AngusW 22nd October 2009, 14:34 Quote
I've had windows 7 pro rtm 64 bit for a month or so now (college MSDNAA) and i've not had many issues apart from one driver problem at the start (early asus xonar driver stopped 32 bit programs opening...) but apart from that its been great.
sandys 22nd October 2009, 14:36 Quote
Doesn't sound like a great deal there for me to move my machines from Vista for.

I would really like to hear about the new media centre though, my HTPC is currently running XP with some flaky software and I would like to move to something else that might be more robust, I have a copy of Win7 at home that I preordered for my netbook because it was supposed to be good and preorder price was cheap, but if it can play Bluray on low end GPU/CPU offloading the processing without purchasing additional software PowerDVD that might convince me to use it there.

I'd also be interested in hearing about tuner support, Windows media wasn't that great when you have more than 2 tuners, I'm looking to add to my current 3 DVBT with a couple of DVB-S2 and would like to know if it can cope.

Oh and my original reason for getting it was that it was supposedly good for netbooks, I'd be interested in knowing if it actually is, as I see it, now I have three options

use win7 on HTPC if its going to be a better experience.
use win7 on netbook if its going to be a better experience.
or sell win7 and stick with my current setup.

Can you install it without using the code like you could Vista, I'm a bit reluctant to open it as I had pretty much decided to sell it on, as early previews pretty much put it at no faster than XP, XP blows on my netbook and have since moved to Linux for that and its much better than XP, after some grief I might add.
The boy 4rm oz 22nd October 2009, 14:37 Quote
I can't wait to have a play with it at work tomorrow, all our display laptops should have been updated by then :D.
Kyocera 22nd October 2009, 14:41 Quote
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No you won't. Seriously, once you use 7 for a month you won't go back. I find it painfully backward now. I mean Vista was and still is a pain, I can't even go back to that.

I had once, few years ago an interesting discussion, an quite a heated one, with one of the computer system administrators.
He was claiming that the new XP is a miracle of OSs, I was saying that it is an evolving in the wrong direction compared to Windows 98 second edition.
Today, all this years after, I'm still of the same opinion.

An OS has only one function, to be an interim layer between the content of a HDD or SSD (hardware;managing software queue) and human; we don't think in electronic manner (binary, at this moment of technology). Dedicated programs are for doing a certain task; Word, Adobe ones, Firefox,....
Vista wanted to be a collection of programs (look at all you can do...) and that was one of the mortal sins of that program.

As far as rumors go, Microsoft is moving away from this approach and toward the ideal; future OS should just manage, allowing the programs direct access to the hardware or functioning as a virtual machine if needed. Not to mention, that an OS should not play the game of enabling hardware producers to be market dominant, and the other way around (X86, Intel).

Hardware is every day more powerful, has new, better solutions; an OS must follow. It's not possible to use the XP and say how great it is; Windows 7 is a far better product; no doubts.

However, it's still a product that does not results from technological dreams.
The sins of monopoly, politics, "rule the world" gone bad dreams, owning the user,.... are still there, even if nicely presented.
NikoBellic 22nd October 2009, 14:49 Quote
I don't see why everyone is going on abut W7 and XP having similar performance in games and basic apps...

at the end of the day, the overall responsiveness of W7 is so much better and I would never go back to XP, and if I need to use XP, then I'll just install XP Mode (which gives you a free copy of Windows XP SP3)

Windows 7 is the modern OS, XP is for those pensioners who constantly shout, You kids and your Aston Martins, they aren't anywhere near as good as my ford model T.

Maybe the Ford Model T / XP was more Revolutionary, but the Aston / W7 is a much more comfortable, responsive, and looks a whole lot better!.
proxess 22nd October 2009, 14:58 Quote
The good thing about this release is that they got it right the first time! Also have been getting it right a bit lately. Congrats M$.
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