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Google Chrome OS: Facts and Rumours

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pimlicosound 21st July 2009, 15:09 Quote
If Chrome OS turns out to be best-suited to lightweight devices, somewhere between netbooks and mobile phones, as you suggest (and I happen to agree with you at this point), I can only see it floundering terribly. From UMPCs to MIDs, people are proving that they just don't want this class of devices.

I certainly wouldn't use a web-centric OS on any sort of proper computer, netbooks included, and I couldn't use it on a mobile phone. Chrome OS would have to be relegated to the MID category. I don't want to carry around something too big for my pocket which does little more than my iPhone can do, and I can't see many other people falling for that either.
Mankz 21st July 2009, 15:15 Quote
As cool as it looks, it doesnt interest me... my current set-up of dual booting Vista and Ubuntu is wonderful.
wuyanxu 21st July 2009, 15:21 Quote
Windows on the desktop dual booted with Hackint0sh (as the article said, ChromeOS isn't designed to be on full featured machines) and an iPhone on the other hand, where does ChomeOS come in?

i really don't see what's all the hype for it. sure the brand sounds good, sure it is a good concept on netbooks. but a netbook can be replaced by the latest smartphone (iPhone 3GS, Palm Pre), and desktops with gaming capability will have Windows on it for a long time.
I-E-D 21st July 2009, 16:51 Quote
When i get my desktop, i'm immediately changing to this (well, when it comes out!)

ALso, it's good to see i'm not the only one wondering what they'll do! See Here

[Quote]OK, I was just thinking what i would like in the google chrome os.

Internet - Google Chrome
Picture Viewer - Google Picasa
Video Player - VLC (I expect google to buy this, or to make something similar)
Music Player - Something lightweight and fast.

Thats all i think it would be used for, but any other suggestions?

How did i forget Google Docs?[Quote]

I imagine google will somehow get their OS to game, not sure how tohugh. LOOKING FORWARD TO IT!!!
Skiddywinks 21st July 2009, 17:23 Quote
[QUOTE=I-E-D;2045065]When i get my desktop, i'm immediately changing to this (well, when it comes out!)

ALso, it's good to see i'm not the only one wondering what they'll do! See Here

[Quote]OK, I was just thinking what i would like in the google chrome os.

Internet - Google Chrome
Picture Viewer - Google Picasa
Video Player - VLC (I expect google to buy this, or to make something similar)
Music Player - Something lightweight and fast.

Thats all i think it would be used for, but any other suggestions?

How did i forget Google Docs?
Quote:


I imagine google will somehow get their OS to game, not sure how tohugh. LOOKING FORWARD TO IT!!!

I can't see why anyone would want to put this on a desktop PC... It sounds bonkers. Cloud based operating is not so useful when you use a high performance PC.
dicobalt 21st July 2009, 18:13 Quote
So Google really wants to have an OS that is never updated because the security is perfect? Did they really say that? That's totally gonna happen lol This is just yet another stab at going back to mainframe computing. This is a step backwards limiting flexibility and performance. Mainframes only belong in very vertical situations where they really only exist because of legacy needs, they are not going to replace everyday computing. The only possible use for something like this is in POS devices.
frontline 21st July 2009, 18:46 Quote
We need to go back to having the OS in ROM!
perplekks45 21st July 2009, 18:55 Quote
Mainframes aren't dead. And for a reason.

But that's besides the point: ChromeOS will stand or fall with the ability to work online as well as offline. If programs work well and look familiar people might jump on, if not they'll quickly dump it again.
B1GBUD 21st July 2009, 19:46 Quote
Me has desktop.... me like games, me no other choice than Windows.
docodine 21st July 2009, 19:51 Quote
If it gets my original EeePC to run faster, by all means.
dicobalt 21st July 2009, 19:54 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by perplekks45
Mainframes aren't dead. And for a reason.

But that's besides the point: ChromeOS will stand or fall with the ability to work online as well as offline. If programs work well and look familiar people might jump on, if not they'll quickly dump it again.

Chrome is a "cloud" OS. That means it *requires* an internet connection to run applications. I do agree that Google should go and make a real OS that does run real applications locally, not some Cloud slacker of an OS. Furthermore ChromeOS is not even as useful as a mainframe because you are limited to the apps that Google provides. You are not running your own server hardware and you are not programming your own applications. Google needs to provide the type of applications companies like PeopleSoft, Oracle, and POS developers make if they expect any practical widespread usefulness out of ChromeOS. They also need to allow anyone to write an application for ChromeOS and make it available for anyone. The problem is that people will run into storage and bandwidth problems and it will make sense all over again to use the existing desktop structure we already have! The whole concept is outdated.
perplekks45 21st July 2009, 20:09 Quote
The cloud is outdated? Don't really think so to be honest.
What really IS outdated is the bandwidth offered by most providers.

They can't expect you to only be able to work while you're online. Given Gmail's offline functionality I think they'll offer something similar for their Google Docs if they don't already do [no idea, don't use it] and that it might be 3rd party apps that won't work offline.
dicobalt 21st July 2009, 21:10 Quote
The whole concept of a clould worries me so much. Bandwidth charges and limits that ISP's place on connections definitely are pathetic. The problem is that you know those cloud companies are gonna take your data hostage and start doing the same thing by charging ludicrous fees for storage and bandwidth. So you will end up paying your ISP and your Cloud.

Then the cloud companies will pull the same thing cell companies do now and start putting all sorts of fees on top of fees on top of other fees. Next thing you know you will have to pay per email/im/video conference/file transfer/database query that goes over their network. Giving up control of your data to some "cloud" is crazy, you are asking to get fleeced. Too much data in one place. You have much more trust in large companies then I do that's for sure.
rembo666 21st July 2009, 21:36 Quote
I like the idea of Chrome OS. Of course, I would never buy a device that would run it exclusively, but it would be cool to have a fast boot option on my laptop if I just want to check my e-mail.
SinxarKnights 21st July 2009, 21:58 Quote
I am personally looking forward to getting my hands on this. I would love to put this on a netbook.

BUT like dicobalt, i dont really like cloud computing for the reasons he/she stated. Required to have an internet connection to use the apps. haha comeon, i cant even play my steam games 50% of the time due to our craptastic ISP thats already billing me out the ass for a 512K connection that rarely works properly for $70 a month. (i in west virginia, USA. the ISP is Hardynet - no local competition due to Hardynet owning all the equipment/lines).

Maybe in some higher class part of the world with healthy ISP competition and 99% uptime it might work. But a large portion of internet users are STILL on dialup in 2009 and/or getting charged ridculious prices for next to no bandwith.

I am definatly not knocking Chrome OS but i just dont feel the web is ready for cloud computing just yet.

Ok this is a little off topic but lemme show how underhanded some ISPs can be.

In the year 1999 we had phone service from hardynet AKA hardy telecommunications. We had dialup service from another service provider. Hardynet actually blocked the phone number to the other service provider so we could not connect to the net. When questioned on the subject all they had to say is "we own the phone lines here".

Now simple things like that could stop Chrome OS from really hitting it big. No net = no apps. While this may seem like a highly obscure situation - But from people i have told this too has had similar reports of different ISPs doing similar things.

Maybe Google should start a worldwide ISP service. low latency satellite FTW (maybe one day ^^). because without excellent web, whats the point in cloud computing for people who might actually want to use it.
I-E-D 21st July 2009, 22:00 Quote
[QUOTE=Skiddywinks]
Quote:
Originally Posted by I-E-D
When i get my desktop, i'm immediately changing to this (well, when it comes out!)

ALso, it's good to see i'm not the only one wondering what they'll do! See Here
Quote:
OK, I was just thinking what i would like in the google chrome os.

Internet - Google Chrome
Picture Viewer - Google Picasa
Video Player - VLC (I expect google to buy this, or to make something similar)
Music Player - Something lightweight and fast.

Thats all i think it would be used for, but any other suggestions?

How did i forget Google Docs?
Quote:
I imagine google will somehow get their OS to game, not sure how tohugh. LOOKING FORWARD TO IT!!!

I can't see why anyone would want to put this on a desktop PC... It sounds bonkers. Cloud based operating is not so useful when you use a high performance PC.

Oops, sorry should've made that clearer. When i get my desktop, i'll dual boot (with Win7) and replace Vista with Chrome on my 2 year old laptop, which i dont use for anything but Music, MSN, Internet and Video.

I think Chrome will work best for underpowered/old laptops, or MID's. I want one of those btw, when is one gunna get reviewed?
dr-strangelove 21st July 2009, 22:51 Quote
I am looking forward to seeing how google handles this.

Several of you have pointed out good reasons why businesses and gamers are unlikely to use chrome os but that does not mean it will not be successful.

I know many people who only use their computer/laptop to browse the web and occasionally to play solitaire. I think there is a huge market out there for an OS that is simpler and cheaper than windows and comes from a well-liked brand such as google.

I think that this os could find another market in schools. Schools are always looking for a way to get the kids on the web as long as it is a) cheap and b) safe from viruses, kids looking at porn etc.

I personally think google could be on to a winner here.
perplekks45 21st July 2009, 23:29 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by I-E-D

Oops, sorry should've made that clearer. When i get my desktop, i'll dual boot (with Win7) and replace Vista with Chrome on my 2 year old laptop, which i dont use for anything but Music, MSN, Internet and Video.

I think Chrome will work best for underpowered/old laptops, or MID's. I want one of those btw, when is one gunna get reviewed?
And how are you gonna play videos in a web application? Or music? What about MSN? I know there are web apps that you can use but are they as comfortable as the desktop app?
B3CK 22nd July 2009, 03:47 Quote
I am looking forward to testing it out. A multi boot option for just really fast web browsing would be nice. While I know there are several *nix options for quick booting for media or web, (HP & Dell both are offering this option on laptops with dedicated buttons), a well trusted version that is in house supported sounds a great deal better to me than other OEM's just slapping the option on and never updating it.
As to using it for apps other than media or web surfing, well, I fall in the group that if it can't run without a net connection, it won't be used. There is no WI-MAX around here, and I'm not paying a bill for inet access to a computing device when I already pay for it at home and on my phone.
Mr Moulinex 22nd July 2009, 22:42 Quote
Dicobalt is right for the most part. Think about it - it would become PAY AS YOU GO COMPUTING - if most (or all) of YOUR apps and data are stored "somewhere" other than on YOUR machine - its subject to all sorts of things... charges, snooping, and then, theres the thorny issue of WHO actually OWNS the data (as you are not storing it, are you?!)

On the plus side - re the quote about "safe" use for schools etc... sounds nice in practice, but you know kids......

Still, my main point sticks - pay as you use computing... and I for one, don't intend to subscribe to that hype. Yeah, I gotta pay for windoze if I still use it... however ubuntu does for me fine at the moment if I use apps.... and I will NEVER subscribe to the apple myth....
zero0ne 23rd July 2009, 03:10 Quote
I am sorry to say, but most of you are severely misinformed.

1) Can anybody post a citation for "Google OS is going to be a cloud OS" statement?
(thought not)

just because it uses Google docs, gmail, Google talk, etc.. does not mean its going to be Cloud only.

(forgetting about Google gears are we?)

2) InformationWeek has a good article on CHROME, and I believe they mentioned that the foray into netbooks for google will come FIRST, but they will then transition to Desktop builds.

3) MOST IMPORTANT:

Google will NEVER EVER charge you for using their service (for personal use).

WHY? The second they start charging for personal use is the second their ENTIRE F*CKING BUSINESS MODEL GOES DOWN THE DRAIN.

Do any of you understand WHERE Google gets their money from? I can tell you it isn't their Gmail service, or their docs service, or their other 100s of web apps or software they own.

IT IS THEIR ADVERTISING REVENUE THAT IS MAKING THEM PROFITS.

Everything they do, they do to increase market share, and get more people to their sites, products, services so they can show you relevant ads that you click on.

With the type of people Google employs, do you really think that they can't come up with a solution to allow you to play games on their OS?
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