One thing I haven't found answered anywhere is what version of OpenGL does it ship with. OpenGL 3.1 hopefully. It would fit in nicely with their streamlined approach to apps in this version.
I still even take my keyboard and mouse to the design deparment because I can't stand the bloody Apple pmice & keyboard.
What does that have to do with the OS? I'm not a huge fan of dell mice or keyboards either. I use the deathadder on my mac(although it works without installing drivers, not so much on the pc). Its just as easy to use different peripherals than what comes with the computer.
Originally Posted by frojoe What does that have to do with the OS? I'm not a huge fan of dell mice or keyboards either. I use the deathadder on my mac(although it works without installing drivers, not so much on the pc). Its just as easy to use different peripherals than what comes with the computer.
I find it hard to trust a company which thought that mouse was a good idea...
Apple hardware is very reliable I still have a 15 year old mac that starts up and runs perfectly. The optical drives do have an emergency eject button inside the slot. The batteries being built in allows for a larger battery to be included with has a longer life 1,000 charge cycles and all for the same size and weight unit. I would like to see a business class windows laptop with upto 7 hours usage.
There are plenty of old Russian cars with terrible build quality that are working over 15 years after manufacture. Same with PCs. Do not try and 'fish' for an eject 'button' inside the slot, you will scratch the CD. Let me just stop you there and say there isn't one, and I know this for 3 reasons: 1. It's not in the Apple support documentation and 2. when I disassembled the drive to remove the disk, there wasn't one, and 3. Online discussions on this topic revealed that Apple have actively asked the OEMs to remove the emergency eject since the same manufacturers offer almost identical drives with said emergency eject functionality.
You've been drinking way too much Apple marketing kool-aid. They will always turn a negative into a great new 'feature'. The ThinkPad T400 I'm writing on right now has a 4-5 hour real-use battery life with the standard 6-cell. With an upgraded 9-cell I can get 10 hours, TEN, that's real use not maketing tat. One review tested it a bit more fully and found with the same battery you can game solidly using the discrete Radeon graphics for 3hrs. You'll find all modern 14" business-class laptops with similiar sized batteries are all hovering around the 7-10hr mark. 15" laptops are lower at 7hrs (no 10hr miracles). 17" lower still, but then again, Apple never got more than 3-4hrs real life out of their 17" either - just no one told their marketing team... or did they?
Build quality is a lot more than just nicely laid out cables and a fancy chassis. It's the ability to replace anything at any time easily and quickly - and under normal circumstances the system is somewhat resiliant to external damage / poor treatment. I'll take ThinkPads as an example, since I've found them to be pretty exceptionally engineered. You can get a full hardware document that gives you instructions on how to replace absolutely any part, the screen, the keyboard, CPU, wireless modules, etc. etc. Replacing the biggest components can usually be done very quickly. Optical drive in about 10 seconds, HD in 2-3 minutes, RAM in 2-3 minutes, battery in 10 seconds. I like to think of it this way: If the HD breaks, I don't have to go through a complicated process, and in laptops HDs are extremely vulnerable. I also don't have the worry that 1000 cycles later my laptop is useless away from a power point. Or the terrifying worry that the optical drive swallows a disc and it's a unibody laptop so I have to send it off to Apple and probably pay a lot of money. That is the one thing that really scares me about the unibody macbooks.
I'm not picking soley on Apple here though. There are many TERRIBLE Windows PCs and Laptops, but they're cheap and don't boast about their build quality. If you boast about your build, it should be something special - not just pretty. Anyone can route cables and manufacture everything to be placed just right. But not anyone can prevent people's legs being burnt or that the system is easily maintainable. But who wants maintainable when one of your primary income is hardware sales?
I'm still using my 3 year old Dell XPS M1210 and you would have to shoot me in the face to force me to use a Mac
I can't say they're sht because I never used one, but the single fact that I would be tagged as a Mac user makes me a little sick inside. Plus, what the hell is wrong with Windows anyway ? It works perfectly well in my opinion
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Macs are like diesel cars, you can't talk about them without starting a debate about what's better than what
When you buy Microsoft you have to buy Antivirus, Anti Malware, A decent mail app and so much more. Go to Linux you get the OS free you get very few threats with Virus's and so much more. The big thing you wont be getting is a good deal on Win 7 if you already own Vista.
There are plenty of excellent open source projects for Antivirus, Anti Malware, and mail for windows. Most, better than what you can buy.
Originally Posted by wuyanxu can't wait to install hackintosh of this for my GTX260 :)
wait, by then, Dx11 cards will be out and OSX will be outdated again...... come on Apple, work harder on those drivers.
IMHO the Mac OSX system is better than Windows, but that's only because it's built on Unix. Linux is also better, but its interface needs too much user customisation to make working with it feel natural.
Originally Posted by wuyanxu can't wait to install hackintosh of this for my GTX260 :)
wait, by then, Dx11 cards will be out and OSX will be outdated again...... come on Apple, work harder on those drivers.
IMHO the Mac OSX system is better than Windows, but that's only because it's built on Unix. Linux is also better, but its interface needs too much user customisation to make working with it feel natural.
He also added that Safari passes the Acid3 test with 100 per cent, while Internet Explorer 8 scores just 21 per cent. It's worth noting that both Chrome and Firefox also score 100 per cent.
Old news... *yawn*.. Opera did it a long time ago and they did it first.
Having seen the latest macbook pro refresh, the 13" MBP is now very well priced, considering the 7 hour battery, Geforce 9400m and the 2.2ghz CPU. Now, people who know me will tell you that I'm not Apple's biggest fan, being a Vista and Ubuntu user first and foremost, but I hate Windows 7 enough to want to avoid it if at all possible. The MBP is at a good price and the UNIX underpinnings are enough to win me over. $/£29 for an upgrade to what is basically a much improved version of Leopard, but with the addition of Grand Central and OpenCL or £100 for a frankly ruined version of Vista? Take your pick. I'll keep my desktop for games, but I think I'm going to back the other horse until W7 is killed off.
Still, I wouldn't buy an Apple desktop, they're still outdated rubbish. I'll use an MBP with a KVM instead.
Linux and OSX don't need DirectX - you can do quite a lot with OpenGL
Oh, and if MS are so evil and bad, why are so many people excited about Exchange support? Surely they should spend their money on Apples equally overpriced server software?
Whether we like it or not, Exchange is the defacto standard in business so for business users it's a big deal and Apple understandably wants a piece of that pie.
Originally Posted by Tim S Whether we like it or not, Exchange is the defacto standard in business so for business users it's a big deal and Apple understandably wants a piece of that pie.
You're going to shoot me down in flames here, but.
I, honestly, don't know any business Mac users that don't have an Apple based server and a business supplied Apple machine.
I know plenty with a personal Apple machine that they want to use in a business environment which is all Windows or part Windows part Penguin, but none that have business supplied Apple machines without (an) Apple server(s).
For the personal Apple users in a Windows business environment - Entourage can connect half-heartedly to Exchange. No calendar syncing, but hell, it works. I don't know many places with a good domain security setup that are happy for employees to plug in personal machines anyway. Bit-Tech is likely to be an exception in this one, but hey. You're all tech nutters - Being slightly less than ordinary is to be expected when it comes to how your network is set up.
Originally Posted by liratheal You're going to shoot me down in flames here, but.
I, honestly, don't know any business Mac users that don't have an Apple based server and a business supplied Apple machine.
I know plenty with a personal Apple machine that they want to use in a business environment which is all Windows or part Windows part Penguin, but none that have business supplied Apple machines without (an) Apple server(s).
well let me put that straight then. my previous work place ran a half and half windows/mac split with a bunch of linux machines thrown in for good measure. our only mac server was used for compiling and testing builds, and could hardly be considered a server: it was an ancient powermac buried in some corner of the office, not even the server room. company server duties were handled by linux machines.
Originally Posted by Fod well let me put that straight then. my previous work place ran a half and half windows/mac split with a bunch of linux machine thrown in for good measure. our only mac server was used for compiling and testing builds, and could hardly be considered a server: it was an ancient powermac buried in some corner of the office, not even the server room. company server duties were handled by linux machines.
Then why would your previous employer give two shits about Exchange?
Do MS do a Penguin Exchange server?
Edit: I don't think I made my point you're quoting clear - I'm referring exclusively to requirement for Exchange support, not the broader brush of OS mixes in companies.
Ill b e getting this for my Macbook purely for the price as my Macbook runs Windows 7 most of the time, ahh best of both worlds, Shame Windows 7 cant get the battery life OSX can though :(
Originally Posted by liratheal Then why would your previous employer give two shits about Exchange?
Do MS do a Penguin Exchange server?
Edit: I don't think I made my point you're quoting clear - I'm referring exclusively to requirement for Exchange support, not the broader brush of OS mixes in companies.
Well, we probably would have run Exchange if it was easy to do so. As it stood, considering the heavily multiplatform nature of our setup, we used a combination of email and wikis. the company who acquired us just before we left relied heavily upon it, so i assume they started caring a lot more about it now :)
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ReplyAlso $29 for the upgrade is peanuts :), bring forth September :).
What does that have to do with the OS? I'm not a huge fan of dell mice or keyboards either. I use the deathadder on my mac(although it works without installing drivers, not so much on the pc). Its just as easy to use different peripherals than what comes with the computer.
I find it hard to trust a company which thought that mouse was a good idea...
There are plenty of old Russian cars with terrible build quality that are working over 15 years after manufacture. Same with PCs. Do not try and 'fish' for an eject 'button' inside the slot, you will scratch the CD. Let me just stop you there and say there isn't one, and I know this for 3 reasons: 1. It's not in the Apple support documentation and 2. when I disassembled the drive to remove the disk, there wasn't one, and 3. Online discussions on this topic revealed that Apple have actively asked the OEMs to remove the emergency eject since the same manufacturers offer almost identical drives with said emergency eject functionality.
You've been drinking way too much Apple marketing kool-aid. They will always turn a negative into a great new 'feature'. The ThinkPad T400 I'm writing on right now has a 4-5 hour real-use battery life with the standard 6-cell. With an upgraded 9-cell I can get 10 hours, TEN, that's real use not maketing tat. One review tested it a bit more fully and found with the same battery you can game solidly using the discrete Radeon graphics for 3hrs. You'll find all modern 14" business-class laptops with similiar sized batteries are all hovering around the 7-10hr mark. 15" laptops are lower at 7hrs (no 10hr miracles). 17" lower still, but then again, Apple never got more than 3-4hrs real life out of their 17" either - just no one told their marketing team... or did they?
Build quality is a lot more than just nicely laid out cables and a fancy chassis. It's the ability to replace anything at any time easily and quickly - and under normal circumstances the system is somewhat resiliant to external damage / poor treatment. I'll take ThinkPads as an example, since I've found them to be pretty exceptionally engineered. You can get a full hardware document that gives you instructions on how to replace absolutely any part, the screen, the keyboard, CPU, wireless modules, etc. etc. Replacing the biggest components can usually be done very quickly. Optical drive in about 10 seconds, HD in 2-3 minutes, RAM in 2-3 minutes, battery in 10 seconds. I like to think of it this way: If the HD breaks, I don't have to go through a complicated process, and in laptops HDs are extremely vulnerable. I also don't have the worry that 1000 cycles later my laptop is useless away from a power point. Or the terrifying worry that the optical drive swallows a disc and it's a unibody laptop so I have to send it off to Apple and probably pay a lot of money. That is the one thing that really scares me about the unibody macbooks.
I'm not picking soley on Apple here though. There are many TERRIBLE Windows PCs and Laptops, but they're cheap and don't boast about their build quality. If you boast about your build, it should be something special - not just pretty. Anyone can route cables and manufacture everything to be placed just right. But not anyone can prevent people's legs being burnt or that the system is easily maintainable. But who wants maintainable when one of your primary income is hardware sales?
I can't say they're sht because I never used one, but the single fact that I would be tagged as a Mac user makes me a little sick inside. Plus, what the hell is wrong with Windows anyway ? It works perfectly well in my opinion
EDIT:
Macs are like diesel cars, you can't talk about them without starting a debate about what's better than what
There are plenty of excellent open source projects for Antivirus, Anti Malware, and mail for windows. Most, better than what you can buy.
Apple supports DirectX?
OSX supports directx? since when
QFT!
Old news... *yawn*.. Opera did it a long time ago and they did it first.
Still, I wouldn't buy an Apple desktop, they're still outdated rubbish. I'll use an MBP with a KVM instead.
Linux and OSX don't need DirectX - you can do quite a lot with OpenGL
But where's the tweaking option?
Where's the customisation options?
Oh, and if MS are so evil and bad, why are so many people excited about Exchange support? Surely they should spend their money on Apples equally overpriced server software?
Oh and strange how they say Windows (NT) sucks. After all Apple didn't program their OS from scratch.
You're going to shoot me down in flames here, but.
I, honestly, don't know any business Mac users that don't have an Apple based server and a business supplied Apple machine.
I know plenty with a personal Apple machine that they want to use in a business environment which is all Windows or part Windows part Penguin, but none that have business supplied Apple machines without (an) Apple server(s).
For the personal Apple users in a Windows business environment - Entourage can connect half-heartedly to Exchange. No calendar syncing, but hell, it works. I don't know many places with a good domain security setup that are happy for employees to plug in personal machines anyway. Bit-Tech is likely to be an exception in this one, but hey. You're all tech nutters - Being slightly less than ordinary is to be expected when it comes to how your network is set up.
well let me put that straight then. my previous work place ran a half and half windows/mac split with a bunch of linux machines thrown in for good measure. our only mac server was used for compiling and testing builds, and could hardly be considered a server: it was an ancient powermac buried in some corner of the office, not even the server room. company server duties were handled by linux machines.
Then why would your previous employer give two shits about Exchange?
Do MS do a Penguin Exchange server?
Edit: I don't think I made my point you're quoting clear - I'm referring exclusively to requirement for Exchange support, not the broader brush of OS mixes in companies.
Well, we probably would have run Exchange if it was easy to do so. As it stood, considering the heavily multiplatform nature of our setup, we used a combination of email and wikis. the company who acquired us just before we left relied heavily upon it, so i assume they started caring a lot more about it now :)
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