First Look: Windows 7 Beta Performance

I see your point, Wuyanxu. The reason why I want to skip Vista and get #7 instead is that Vista might get discontinued(support) a bit sooner than #7(even though it's "modified" vista, you know - marketing reasons). And #7 will be here soon enough. I'll get used to it eventually...

And BT recommendation is enough to convince me Vista isn't as bad as people say :)

Vista support won't be discontinued for a long, long time. Windows 2k is still in the Extended Support period and will officially be supported until somewhen in 2010. So Vista will most likely be supported until 2016, 2017. No need to worry there. ;)

And about the stealing from OSX/Linux: They've always stolen ideas. Every OS is basically a rip-off of another one [at least partially]. It's all about making it the best/most secure/most comfortable choice for customers. If they see something good, chances are they'll implement in their next release. But it's not only MS who do that.

do you think that it will be alright if i install windows 7 to my amd 64 4000+ ?
:D

People complain about the aero interface being "fluff" and a waste of resources.

Other people review vista and 7 and defend aero or agree that it's a waste.

How come NONE of the people who spend all that time playing the both OS's TOTALLY FAIL to mention that it's a simple matter to turn all that fluff OFF????????????

These are (probably) intelligent people who most likely are well aware of this fact, but chose to ignore it.

Is there some reason none of them want to mention that the "fluff" can be turned off?? This ability has been available since XP.

Right click on computer, select advanced then performance and uncheck everything except the drop shadows.

Simple.

It still doesn't look like Win 98. And that seems to be what those people are after. Without all the fluff it just looks like Diet Aero.

@ psychoti: Errr... why not? I don't get it... :?

They need to make a solution to proxy settings on multuple networks. I'm sick of staff comming to me unable to connect their laptop to the internet at home or at work cause they have their bloody proxy settings set wrong. Sure I can make scripts and stuff for them to run to fix this, but I shouldn't have to, it sounds like they have already made this adjustment for network printing.

That and the drop down menu to see parent folders when file save as'ing, when they removed that it was very uncool.

Am I the only one who in general found vista faster than XP and win7 slower than vista?

I think it's probably because it's in beta but occasionally I get a slowdown in windows 7 and explorer (not internet explorer) often seems preoccupied when I want to do stuff...

Vista is faster than XP thanks to a working Prefetch technology, and Superfetch. Also dropping old technologies and making the OS asynchronously rather than synchronously makes Vista faster and more responsive. You are not the only one to see this.
Windows 7 might be slower because the lack of official, and especially optimized drivers. Microsoft did modifications to the drivers sections in Windows 7, enough to have this effect but not enough to prevent Vista drivers from working. Another effect that you see, is the same as if you would re-install Vista, as the OS still learns what you do with the system (i.e: Superfetch learns what program you run often and at what time, and preloads it before you do.)
Look at the Windows Experience Index and compare it form the one in Vista. On my laptop my HDD under Vista 64-bit is 5.3 but under Windows 7
it's 2.9.

Oh and I almost forgot, under Windows 7, the system is probably indexing your HDD.

I spent the weekend testing Windows 7 64bit.

It boots significantly faster than Vista.
Like Vista, the compatibility mode worked flawlessly.
It was very stable
I was able to use Vista drivers when needed.

I think you just summed up a lot of people's experience so far. Well done, crispy! ;)

Is it still possible to get in on the 7 beta bandwagon?

Originally Posted by m0o0oeh
Is it still possible to get in on the 7 beta bandwagon?

RC1 is due in a month or two..

There are loads of torrents over on the usual sites. And as beta keys are not unique it shouldn't be too hard to grab one.

[HINT] PM me. [/HINT] ;)

I got several BSOD when I tried this....

Not that impressive either, imo. Why should it be praised if it's what vista SHOULD have been?

Meh, I'll stick to *nix.

Dude:
1- It's BETA.
2- your drivers are at Alpha or Beta stage (or non-existent).
3- It's still under development (BETA).
4- Your computer is probably no Vista ready either-way.

Originally Posted by GoodBytes
Dude:
1- It's BETA.
2- your drivers are at Alpha or Beta stage (or non-existent).
3- It's still under development (BETA).
4- Your computer is probably no Vista ready either-way.

*nix fanboy Looking for an excuse tbh

I only need one thing from Win 7- The recognition that some of us luddites still run CRTs and want to push them out to 100Hz like XP lets us do at the moment. Vista assumes the world has gone TFT and locks the modes down to 85Hz at most. Same hardware, crippled by software unless I get RivaTuner or ATi equivalent to hack it (and that's even when it PnPs the right monitor). If I'm just doing 2D then I do use Vista in a dual-boot now but for DX9 gaming I just leave all that to XP at present.

Also will want to go 64-Bit with 7 and I don't know if those versions are included in the big pre-order fanfare. If they were, I'd reconsider my waiting for a service pack.

Originally Posted by NethLyn
I only need one thing from Win 7- The recognition that some of us luddites still run CRTs and want to push them out to 100Hz like XP lets us do at the moment. Vista assumes the world has gone TFT and locks the modes down to 85Hz at most. Same hardware, crippled by software unless I get RivaTuner or ATi equivalent to hack it (and that's even when it PnPs the right monitor). If I'm just doing 2D then I do use Vista in a dual-boot now but for DX9 gaming I just leave all that to XP at present.

Also will want to go 64-Bit with 7 and I don't know if those versions are included in the big pre-order fanfare. If they were, I'd reconsider my waiting for a service pack.

1- You did not install (or doesn't exists) your monitor drivers In my case I can set my monitor (without drivers as it's for XP only) to 150Hz no problem under Vista 64-bit.

2- If you have an Nvidia graphic card (maybe the same with ATI.. try to look for that), you can force a resolution and refresh rate by creating a custom added resolution. See video card control panel.

3- Computer LCD TFT goes to 150Hz, and as for TV you have 200+ Hz. Vista has no problem.

4- You don't need RivaTuner, it's in front of you, at the Nvidia control panel (see side column).

5- Everything said above applies to Win7.

6- DirectX 9 and earlier works perfectly with no performance drop under Vista/Win7. You don't need XP unless the game was programed in 16-bit CPU's instead of 32-bit (x86) processors, like the original Pentium. Some games have non-official patches to make them "NT compatible" which is a hacked exe of the game made in 32-bit instead of 16-bit.

my vista build (7100) is running my LCD at 120hz so I don't see why the RTM wouldn't be able to do it with CRTs ... oh and I was at 100hz on vista back when I had my CRT so I'm not sure why you had this problem

To answer your last question:

The Windows 7 pre-order [according to everything I've read] WILL ship with 2 DVDs, x86 and x64.

good review.. vista users will have to go over to 7 for support one day anyways- I might skip win 7 though, nothing offered (for me) if we get dx11 on vista.. the gadgets aren't hard to write, it's javascript.. I use the quicklaunch but I have a gadget to put all my regular icons on- could do the same in 7 if you want a quicklaunch

I'm kinda the same way- never hit the start button, have everything on either the quicklaunch menu or the gadget bar, or it's already launched in the taskbar using taskmanager to get around the uac prompts.. found ie 8 changes the way the gadgets work a bit- I dunno about win 7.. only ran it a little and then restored my backup, but the 32 bit version of sidebar is alot better at keeping the gadgets in order on load than the 64-bit one (if peeps are having any trouble with that)

performance wise.. no surprise there! It'll probably get better

You remind me of people calling Vista, an XP with a new a new skin and that is all.
Win7 has a lot to offer, use it as your main OS, and you won't use Vista anymore,like you stop using XP over Vista.
At first I have to admit I was like you... but when I actually used Win7 as main OS, now I see all the improvements. It feels good to have everything much faster and responsive over Vista 64bit despite all it's great advantages over XP. I find the cap between Vista (NT6) and Win7(NT 6.1) is bigger than what XP (NT 5.1) was over Windows 2000 (NT5).

yeah good.. I just don't see any benefits to running it at launch- nothing gained at all running win 7 over vista ult 64.. I mean nothing =] I'm sure I'll have to go over when they gimp vista with a service pack though.. faster and much more responsive? I dunno again.. I've run it for years now and even though it was very slow, especially transfer wise early on.. since even before sp1 stuff can't come up any faster- I ran win 7 and after toying with it an hour.. all gotta say is it's vista- I mean the install is exactly the same.. the transfers exactly the same.. gaming- well I don't see where win 7 is any faster or more responsive

maybe all the work I've put into it made it nice.. I have run other people's vista installs and was like wtf! :D

I just went from Vista Business x86 to Windows 7 Build 7600 x64 and it feels so much smoother and snappier. I'm using Build 7600 x86 on my laptop and I've never had a better experience on this old thing, not even with XP.

Yes, I pre-ordered 7. Yes, I like it. Nope, it doesn't make me biased. Vista and 7 aren't that far apart, technically, but 7 just "feels" superior.

Only thing that is bugging me about 7 is the hard drive corruption... but that must be because i am still using an old version of it, going to wait for 7600 to hit msdnaa.