No idea, we don't have that kind of hardware in the lab and Joe hasn't had time to play old games on it yet. I think if it works in Vista - it'll likely work in 7.
More generally, what about old peripherals that are not supported in Vista 64-bit? If the 64-bit version of Windows 7 could do something with older 32-bit XP drivers for them, that would be an attractive feature to me.
Originally Posted by mauvecloud More generally, what about old peripherals that are not supported in Vista 64-bit? If the 64-bit version of Windows 7 could do something with older 32-bit XP drivers for them, that would be an attractive feature to me.
It's an extremely unlikely propspect since Win 7 is an evolution of Vista.
Originally Posted by DougEdey Is that really such a major issue? You just need to click on the access bar on the left of the window which it brings up to get to where you want
well from my current point of view, yes, it is an issue. However it might change when I will actually get to try 7, which I can't wait to :)
I am far from being a Microsoft/Windows basher. I welcome change and fonctionalities, I just find it a little hard when I lose a functionality rather than only get new ones
You can change the default Explorer directory with a simply workaround. Right-click on explorer, go to properties and change the target to:
%SystemRoot%\explorer.exe /e, /select,c:
It'll then open up in My Computer by default.
Quick launch can be re-enabled by doing the following:
Right-click the taskbar, choose Toolbars / New Toolbar
In the folder selection dialog, enter the following string and hit OK:
%userprofile%\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch
Turn off the âlock the taskbarâ setting, and right-click on the divider. Make sure that âShow textâ and âShow titleâ are disabled and the view is set to âsmall iconsâ.
Use the dividers to rearrange the toolbar ordering to choice, and then lock the taskbar again.
Originally Posted by m4rk3d You can change the transparency and color intensity in the desktop personalization window. If you click on "Window Color" at the bottom you can change color, transparency etc. there. so no more annoying background-bleed.
Yes I know that :|
Heumm... no.. I mean yes, but that is stupid, in the sense that you take Aero and trow it out the window. And no I am not going to have fun switching the slider bar when I change from maximize to windowed mode. That idea is no fix or workaround.
So far all I can see is Windows 7 is just another ME! Vista with a few tweaks.
I want a updated version of 2000, where everything was clean and simple to work with, where I dont have to spend time killing the fluffy rabbit bits off to get some work done. The windows OS has just taken another step along the Idiot Friendly path which all started with XP.
An OS that works and you can work with, not have to reboot every day, not have to re-install every other month because it has slowed down with clutter. Where un-expected errors are not un-expected anymore because you fear the BSOD.
Windows 7 should be free as an appology for Vista.
Vista was never Windiws M.E in reality... it was only acting as M.E on these 200$ Dell laptop that can't even run XP properly. And uses inexpensive, badly designed technologies.
If you have the hardware with companies that provides good quality drivers (example: Not Creative Labs), then there is no problem.
You can use Windows 2000 anytime. You can buy Windows Vista or Windows 7 and downgrade or Windows 2000 or even Windows 3.1, it's just a phone call away! :). By the way, the updated windows 2000 (NT5.0) is called Windows XP (NT 5.1). Every issue of Windows 2000 was there in Windows XP. XP (ouu bad English) was literary a repackage OS, with just enough to barely call it an new OS to the untrained eye. At least Windows 7 offers useful new features, optimization, lots of bug fixes, improved features, and more...
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An OS that works and you can work with, not have to reboot every day, not have to re-install every other month because it has slowed down with clutter. Where un-expected errors are not un-expected anymore because you fear the BSOD.
If you ACTUALLY used Vista or Windows 7 than you would know that your statement is completely wrong. Both of these OS don't crash (BSOD) when a driver crashes (wait for official Windows 7 release version, and official Windows 7 drivers which are optimized (so version 2 or even 3 of the drivers), it just restarts it. The new Core of Windows OS is better build and engineered. As a Windows 2000 "lover" - if you want -, I can say that Windows Vista 64-bit (True Vista as I like to call it) (I can't say for Windows 7 until it's released and been using for several years), that it's more stable than Windows 2000, and more allows you to be more productive. Moreover, you know when was the last time I re-installed Vista? That would be never. That is correct I have been using Vista since January 2007, it never slowed down. How do I know of this fact? Simple... inside my computer I have a second HDD with an unactivated Vista, which is not plug-in and ready to be activated and be used in case of major emergency. And I did compare both OS 3 months ago to see if Vista slows down over time like XP... the truth is: no. In fact my Vista (the one I use daily on my main HDD) is faster, as you have superfetch and prefetch that work on your side.
A computer is a tool... You are listening Vittorio... yea I put your name in bold so that you I make sure you read what I say, as you might be scared of the fact thatI may I say something about you, because I mentioned your name. :) hehe
An OS is part of the heart of such tool. If it's complicated and makes you feel "smart" but not productive, then that would be a bad tool. A good tool makes you productive, that is all. If you are not productive after really trying hard for several month to adapt yourself, then you are not using the tools provided correctly, OR it doesn't fit your needs and such look for an alternative OS (for example Mac OS or Linux).
So you'd take a crap Windows as an apology for an even worse Windows according to what you just wrote? Interesting that...
And sorry, but I don't agree with you. Windows 7 is not just another ME as ME was plain crap and a pain in the arse no matter you did with it. If you don't like the fluffyness go Linux. :|
If you don't like "fluffiness" go back to DOS or run Linux without a GUI - sheesh.
Been running Windows 7 and its really pretty good, loads of great features.
For me though, 7 shouldn't be a new OS - it should really be Vista SP2 because that's what it really is. However I can understand their reasoning - Vista got a lot of bad press (for no real reason) and if they can move on from that then they'll stand to make more money.
i have a question: if you do the ctrl+alt+del does it take you to the task manager or to that screen where you select the task manager?
observation: vista runs like a dream on my laptop, i really can not understand why people are calling it another ME, i think people that say this have never used neither OS.
another question: they are making this one a "one size fits all"?
Originally Posted by ..in the article If you're a fan of the sidebar widget in Vista, but find them limited to the one side, the Windows 7 widgets are now completely moveable to anywhere on the screen. This means they can be bunched in a corner, put along the top, or dumped on a second/third monitor, depending on what your habits are.
Widgets can already be moved in Vista... when hovering over a widget, just grab the small close/option bar that pops up and move the widget off the sidebar.
i'm running Windows 7 right now and i just love despite the fact that it is a beta! alot of great features and ofcurse some that is not that great, for example the fact that you have to set some programs to be activated and showing in tray all the time instead of only notifactions, i.e PowerISO, the good thing about it is that you only have to do it once and you can hide things you don't need or want to see. I have not tried burnign anything just yet but will do so soon, hopefully and mostlikly it wan't be a problem...
If you don't care, why did you read it in the first place? I definitely see the point and many others do as well as you can see by all the responses so far. This is an enthusiast board after all and Windows 7 Beta is cutting edge which is what a lot of people here are after.
And it's Windows, you know that little program with >90% market share in the OS market? It is a bit more important than CoD23 Beta so I can see why you wouldn't review a beta status game but review a beta status OS.
By the way, there are some 'First look' articles of games before they hit retail every now and then as well on BT, did you see them?
If you're a fan of the sidebar widget in Vista, but find them limited to the one side, the Windows 7 widgets are now completely moveable to anywhere on the screen. This means they can be bunched in a corner, put along the top, or dumped on a second/third monitor, depending on what your habits are.
You can drag Vista widgets anywhere on the desktop for what its worth. I only found out the other day when I tested it, I don't know if it was always that way or whether it was a case of an incremental update to aero being released when the updates took place for Windows 7.
A nice first look though, I'm sure after the beta it will be even better. Don't think I will upgrade my PC to it thou, just wait until my next PC and buy it OEM.
Originally Posted by aon`aTv.gsus666 No, you could always move them around and place them on your desktop. The only thing new about it is that now they completely took away the side bar.
I like that fact that the sidebar is GONE. althou the fact that many gadgets from vista don't work in windows 7 or they look like crap, I don't know if it bad programming or just not yet implemented fully. I only use the clock and 1 other so I can keep track on what's on TV... and the TV one is the only one not included in W 7 i have gotten to work and look like it should
Originally Posted by aon`aTv.gsus666 So you'd take a crap Windows as an apology for an even worse Windows according to what you just wrote? Interesting that...
And sorry, but I don't agree with you. Windows 7 is not just another ME as ME was plain crap and a pain in the arse no matter you did with it. If you don't like the fluffyness go Linux. :|
I see Vista as ME in one aspect. People couldn't wait to install XP after the debacle of ME (me included). They now can't wait to install 7 after using Vista (me included).
I've got 7 on my lappy and it runs beautifully. Boots quicker than Vista and just feels 'more right'. However, I never had a problem with Vista on it (32-bit, then 64-bit) and wouldn't be unhappy going back to it, knowing that it works 100%. I'd obviously prefer to keep 7 running on it though (fingers crossed for a Beta2!)
Originally Posted by Sark.inc reviewing something based on a beta, you would not review a game in beta so why must an os be any different?
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Originally Posted by the third paragraph, on the first page in the opening section Bear in mind though that this is a beta with very early drivers and it's why we've tagged the article a "First Look" - that is exactly what it is, after all.
wonder if it'll be worth it for vista 64 users to move up.. I know that's a dumb question but I own the retail version of 64 ultimate- and I've gotten 2 years out of it =]
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ReplyMore generally, what about old peripherals that are not supported in Vista 64-bit? If the 64-bit version of Windows 7 could do something with older 32-bit XP drivers for them, that would be an attractive feature to me.
It's an extremely unlikely propspect since Win 7 is an evolution of Vista.
well from my current point of view, yes, it is an issue. However it might change when I will actually get to try 7, which I can't wait to :)
I am far from being a Microsoft/Windows basher. I welcome change and fonctionalities, I just find it a little hard when I lose a functionality rather than only get new ones
%SystemRoot%\explorer.exe /e, /select,c:
It'll then open up in My Computer by default.
Right-click the taskbar, choose Toolbars / New Toolbar
In the folder selection dialog, enter the following string and hit OK:
%userprofile%\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch
Turn off the âlock the taskbarâ setting, and right-click on the divider. Make sure that âShow textâ and âShow titleâ are disabled and the view is set to âsmall iconsâ.
Use the dividers to rearrange the toolbar ordering to choice, and then lock the taskbar again.
- taken from Tim Sneath's MSDN blog.
Heumm... no.. I mean yes, but that is stupid, in the sense that you take Aero and trow it out the window. And no I am not going to have fun switching the slider bar when I change from maximize to windowed mode. That idea is no fix or workaround.
Vista users should get a refund.
aye... totally agree. i love Vista, and i dont regret putting $200 for Ultimate version...... well.... didn't....... lol
I want a updated version of 2000, where everything was clean and simple to work with, where I dont have to spend time killing the fluffy rabbit bits off to get some work done. The windows OS has just taken another step along the Idiot Friendly path which all started with XP.
An OS that works and you can work with, not have to reboot every day, not have to re-install every other month because it has slowed down with clutter. Where un-expected errors are not un-expected anymore because you fear the BSOD.
Windows 7 should be free as an appology for Vista.
If you have the hardware with companies that provides good quality drivers (example: Not Creative Labs), then there is no problem.
You can use Windows 2000 anytime. You can buy Windows Vista or Windows 7 and downgrade or Windows 2000 or even Windows 3.1, it's just a phone call away! :). By the way, the updated windows 2000 (NT5.0) is called Windows XP (NT 5.1). Every issue of Windows 2000 was there in Windows XP. XP (ouu bad English) was literary a repackage OS, with just enough to barely call it an new OS to the untrained eye. At least Windows 7 offers useful new features, optimization, lots of bug fixes, improved features, and more...
A computer is a tool... You are listening Vittorio... yea I put your name in bold so that you I make sure you read what I say, as you might be scared of the fact thatI may I say something about you, because I mentioned your name. :) hehe
An OS is part of the heart of such tool. If it's complicated and makes you feel "smart" but not productive, then that would be a bad tool. A good tool makes you productive, that is all. If you are not productive after really trying hard for several month to adapt yourself, then you are not using the tools provided correctly, OR it doesn't fit your needs and such look for an alternative OS (for example Mac OS or Linux).
:D
And sorry, but I don't agree with you. Windows 7 is not just another ME as ME was plain crap and a pain in the arse no matter you did with it. If you don't like the fluffyness go Linux. :|
Been running Windows 7 and its really pretty good, loads of great features.
For me though, 7 shouldn't be a new OS - it should really be Vista SP2 because that's what it really is. However I can understand their reasoning - Vista got a lot of bad press (for no real reason) and if they can move on from that then they'll stand to make more money.
observation: vista runs like a dream on my laptop, i really can not understand why people are calling it another ME, i think people that say this have never used neither OS.
another question: they are making this one a "one size fits all"?
Widgets can already be moved in Vista... when hovering over a widget, just grab the small close/option bar that pops up and move the widget off the sidebar.
it seams that 7 will have several editions... http://crave.cnet.co.uk/laptops/0,39029450,49300490,00.htm
reviewing something based on a beta, you would not review a game in beta so why must an os be any different?
And it's Windows, you know that little program with >90% market share in the OS market? It is a bit more important than CoD23 Beta so I can see why you wouldn't review a beta status game but review a beta status OS.
By the way, there are some 'First look' articles of games before they hit retail every now and then as well on BT, did you see them?
Where on earth does it say "Review" it's "First Look" under "Bits". NO review, NO numbers, please RTFA!
You can drag Vista widgets anywhere on the desktop for what its worth. I only found out the other day when I tested it, I don't know if it was always that way or whether it was a case of an incremental update to aero being released when the updates took place for Windows 7.
A nice first look though, I'm sure after the beta it will be even better. Don't think I will upgrade my PC to it thou, just wait until my next PC and buy it OEM.
I like that fact that the sidebar is GONE. althou the fact that many gadgets from vista don't work in windows 7 or they look like crap, I don't know if it bad programming or just not yet implemented fully. I only use the clock and 1 other so I can keep track on what's on TV... and the TV one is the only one not included in W 7 i have gotten to work and look like it should
I see Vista as ME in one aspect. People couldn't wait to install XP after the debacle of ME (me included). They now can't wait to install 7 after using Vista (me included).
I've got 7 on my lappy and it runs beautifully. Boots quicker than Vista and just feels 'more right'. However, I never had a problem with Vista on it (32-bit, then 64-bit) and wouldn't be unhappy going back to it, knowing that it works 100%. I'd obviously prefer to keep 7 running on it though (fingers crossed for a Beta2!)
;) :p
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