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djDEATH 10th December 2008, 11:20 Quote
lol +/- 5% in either direction is a minimal difference. nothing to shout home about really
Bauul 10th December 2008, 11:59 Quote
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Originally Posted by djDEATH
lol +/- 5% in either direction is a minimal difference. nothing to shout home about really

It's the difference between chosing your favourite L4D character and being beaten to it. Nothing to be sniffed at!
Tim S 10th December 2008, 14:04 Quote
yep, differences are small... but not insignificant in some cases. :)
katmandude 10th December 2008, 14:18 Quote
One question springs to mind why bother with vista in the first place?
I've had endless problems with driver issues and compatibility since day one of my unfortunate windows vista trek. So annoying were the problems that i reverted to my ol' pal XP (which, in the begining was a real pain in the hiney, before sp1... even then Xp was sort of unstable at times). I've tried vista 64 bit on a intel core2 8400 with two 4850 and 8 gigs of ram, 'aahhhh' thought I, 'some computing power after 2 years of , good and faithfull intel 3.2 + windows2K and windows XP service)
NOT A CHANCE.... vista screwed the wifi, turned hyde on my graphics suite (crossfire under 64 bit.. ha! not even a whimper after 2 years of developpement...) bugger....

What eally pisses me off is thir nonchalence at our day to day problems, the fact that u get updates which can potentialy make u're pc go from stable as a rock to jello stability in an instant. And that the updates are 'critical' , AB SOL UTE LY indispensable and if you don't get them u're passible of getting crucified by all sorts of nastys. Errrrr, people, seriously, when a bug, or a virus breaks out, in any case u're going to get it unless you unplug your pc from the system and not turn it on until after armageddon... nobody can predict ( cos it costs too much money :p) what viruses will do in the future, and we have such a great imagination to invent things that will hurt, break, burn things/people :p ...Of course some of you might argue that u can chose what you install or not...
have any of you read what they put up as explanations for what black magic they are about to perform on your beloved machine?
I bet a genius from nasa on heroine wouldn't know...

**sigh**

example: with sp3 on xp they did something to 'fix' the wifi, which was pre sp3 working rather fine. ( i have a dlink DWL G510 rev C). after the 'fix' all hell breaks lose, i'm getting blue screens, freezes, programs not responding, a dll gone missing and poof, u're as good as on xanax + vanax cocktail. revert back to your old set up? undo what windows does? well, naturally i tried, naturally , it failed... well actually i didn't do ****: " t'was the prrrogram captain" , a back up point under XP, which strangely didn't undo all the update did.
another thing which makes me rather worried: i can't for some strange reason install windws explorer 7. it just WILL NOT update, install, or anything.
what now? wait for windows 7? decide to send a horse's head to S. ballmer? with a note : 'going to make you a offer you can't refuse'?
All i'm asking is for a OS whch works normally, with no hassle ( even though i'm prepared to undergo a bit, just cos i like computers).
PLEASE MICROSOFT GET ONE OS RIGHT !, just one, just a little.... ( oh yeah, u can shoot the morron who put vista together, several times , and burn him, exorcise his office, put salt on where he walked...)

all th best A.
katmandude 10th December 2008, 14:27 Quote
for the record for the unlitterate:

windows 2K with the last SP can't remember if it was SP4 or 5 was rather good
windows XP SP2 : GREAT!
windows XP SP3 : BAD
VISTA : not really rubish, just very very unfinished. plenty of growing potential. one problem, having computers with a 'growing' OS can lead to very frustated customers and lots of company/work realted disasters.
on the whole: vista is like a paranoiac deeply depressed CIA agent with tourets syndrome, naked and dripped in gazelle sauce, on heroin, drunk, hunting lions with nukes... rather nice looking but terrible working buddy.

windows 98 : aarrgh , ok for
windows Me : If bill gates had appeared to me on the week after i installed Me, I would have f****** him in the spleen with a chain saw.
windows server: any date: not much to do but let the techies go balistic :p great OS ^^
windows 95 : use the install CD as a frisbee in the office
windows 3.11 : great little piece of frankenOStien. loved to tweak and rewrite stuff for it.
DarkLord7854 10th December 2008, 14:40 Quote
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Originally Posted by katmandude
for the record for the unlitterate:

And that kids, is called Irony.
Gremlin 10th December 2008, 14:44 Quote
really? i just thought it was a fine example of self pwning :P
DaMightyMouse 10th December 2008, 14:53 Quote
( oh yeah, u can shoot the morron who put vista together, several times , and burn him, exorcise his office, put salt on where he walked...)

Someone give him a hug! There is so much anger :P
Tim S 10th December 2008, 14:57 Quote
We should add a Hug module to the forums :-)
p3n 10th December 2008, 15:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by DarkLord7854
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Originally Posted by katmandude
for the record for the unlitterate:

And that kids, is called Irony.

Golden.
StephenK 10th December 2008, 15:23 Quote
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for the record for the unlitterate:
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Originally Posted by DarkLord7854
And that kids, is called Irony.

That made my day :D
kenco_uk 10th December 2008, 15:35 Quote
Well, give him a break. He is from Belgium. He's probably arrived pre-relixed, poor chap.
StephenK 10th December 2008, 16:46 Quote
True. Made me laugh all the same :)
perplekks45 10th December 2008, 18:07 Quote
Classic.

So when is Relix becoming King/Emperor/God of Belgium?

Vista SP2 beta? Sure, I'll install this... as it was so much fun to go from SP1 beta to SP1 retail. :|
Slyr7.62 10th December 2008, 19:46 Quote
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for the record for the unlitterate
illiterate. ;)
n3mo 11th December 2008, 04:36 Quote
Face it, Vista is rubbish. It loses in every field to every other OS.
I don't get this whole push towards Vista on Bit-Tech. The site begins to look Micro$oft & Intel financed. When crappy i7 (which was a specially engineered sample) was pushed to 5.5GHz it got on front page, but when Daneb officially hits 6213 MHz (during AMD Austin Tech Day, this was a standard, retail-grade CPU) you don't say a word. I'm not a fanboy, but Bit-Tech seems to get more and more biased.
Journeyer 11th December 2008, 13:32 Quote
Hm,, maybe it's me but I really don't get it.

I've been using Vista since it's pre-Vista days ... you know; back when it was known as Longhorn (in my opinion a much cooler sounding name. Though Xp also had a cooler sounding name in beta stage: Whistler). Anyway, as I said; I've been running Vista for quite some time, and sure - initially there were memory leaks, driver and stability issues. However, now that the system has matured a bit I find it to be a joy to work with. It does everything I ask of it, and it does not complain much about it. My games run as they did on XP, and in some cases even better. So yes, I really don't get all this Vista-bashing.

Then again, it would be boring if we all had the same opinions.
ParaHelix.org 11th December 2008, 13:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by n3mo
Face it, Vista is rubbish. It loses in every field to every other OS.
I don't get this whole push towards Vista on Bit-Tech. The site begins to look Micro$oft & Intel financed. When crappy i7 (which was a specially engineered sample) was pushed to 5.5GHz it got on front page, but when Daneb officially hits 6213 MHz (during AMD Austin Tech Day, this was a standard, retail-grade CPU) you don't say a word. I'm not a fanboy, but Bit-Tech seems to get more and more biased.

Reading "Vista is rubbish" is getting really boring. As for " It loses in every field to every other OS" that is totally and utterly bull****, I love Linux but do you see Ubuntu been able to play Crysis, do you see XP with DX10, no, so please stop boring us with your insignificant comments.
Tim S 11th December 2008, 13:47 Quote
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Originally Posted by n3mo
Face it, Vista is rubbish. It loses in every field to every other OS.
I don't get this whole push towards Vista on Bit-Tech. The site begins to look Micro$oft & Intel financed. When crappy i7 (which was a specially engineered sample) was pushed to 5.5GHz it got on front page, but when Daneb officially hits 6213 MHz (during AMD Austin Tech Day, this was a standard, retail-grade CPU) you don't say a word. I'm not a fanboy, but Bit-Tech seems to get more and more biased.

What, like here?

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/11/21/amd-s-45nm-cpus-specifically-designed-for-ocing/1



and just to point this one thing out:
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Originally Posted by n3mo
(during AMD Austin Tech Day,
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was a standard, retail-grade CPU)

Do you realise what you've written?

Anyway, thanks for your opinion - everyone is entitled to one. We have two new AMD CPUs currently being tested, and when we tested the Core i7 value we pointed out the AM2+ platform was superb value, and the countless HD 4800s we've tested (and highly recommended over the competition), and other stuff that you can go search for - you've cheered the office up this afternoon. Thanks! :):):)
ParaHelix.org 11th December 2008, 13:52 Quote
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Originally Posted by katmandude
for the record for the unlitterate:

And that kids, is called Irony.

LMFAO now that really was stupid, did katmandude actually mean to say that? I don't see anyone been able to PwN themselves so badly.
n3mo 11th December 2008, 14:52 Quote
@Journeyer
Vista's performance if worse than XP. New drivers made it a lot better, but is still loses to XP. I agree that it's not a big margin, but add terrible memory management, longer boot time and so on. But I guess it's up to individual taste.

@ParaHelix.org
Linux is made for work, not gaming, and in that it's better. Seen any servers running Vista (or Windows Server 2008)?
On XP you get more fps in Crysis, and you can't actually see difference between DX9 and DX10 until you look hard.
Xp runs faster, eats less memory, is more compatible with everything etc. But i guess that shiny, transparent windows make up for all of that, right?

@Tim S
Alright, maybe my post seemed too offensive or something (I'm not natively english, far less British), but the fact is that everywhere you look on B-T you see i7 this, i7 that, from the time far before official launch. There is of course some info about Daneb, but it's like 50:1 for Intel.
Saying that B-T is Intel financed was my irony towards AMD fanboys, but I guess that it wasn't obvious from the context, so for the record I want to stress the fact that I admire Bit-Tech for it's neutrality and openness in approach :)
I didn'd say a word about Radeon reviews, you have plenty of them and they actually convinced me to buy a 4870 and although previously being sceptical i am now very pleased, so good job ;)

By "retail-grade" I mean that it was a normal, not specially engineered sample. Well, obviously it was carefully selected, but Intel openly admitted that their 5.5Ghz breaking sample was specially prepared, the best guess is that it had internal error correction disabled so it wouldn't lock when overclocked, so it's a bit of a pathetic move from Intel.

To sum things up:
Come on, give us in-depth analysis of Daneb architecture and so on, remember - the more people buy AMD, the cheaper those Extreme Edition i7s will be, which is good for everyone.
Tim S 11th December 2008, 15:01 Quote
It's no problem. The internet gave me a thick skin. ;)

Deneb hasn't launched, so we can't talk about it in any detail yet but it's one of the CPUs that we are testing as I type this. We will be covering it in traditional fashion - it's just the product cycles have favoured Intel in recent weeks. When the original Phenom launched, it pretty much flopped so we didn't publish many motherboard reviews beyond the first few because we realised that the interest just wasn't there for the time and effort being put in.

We expect Deneb to be quite different to the original Phenom in that respect, but I can't say any more than that at the moment because of embargoes.
n3mo 11th December 2008, 15:18 Quote
Fair enough, thanks very much for clearing my view. And sorry for the off-topic
katmandude 11th December 2008, 18:33 Quote
ok, ok self pwnage.... **sigh

now i feel awfull, and yes my english isn't was it used to be.... speak more french now a days.... bugger...
katmandude 11th December 2008, 18:52 Quote
not vista bashing. ranting i guess from all those nights bitching about the hours of well deserved sleep which i didn't get trying to get vista to behave properly. one good point for vista, and no it isn't the security on it, is it's uncanny ability to self analyse and give you soutions to issues. not that most of them worked any ways. the user interface , was rather good actually, not the graphics, more how the machine responded to being used. most intall shields and assistants where quite good.

what really bugged me was trying to explain in plain english to my users what was going on when the system was out of order.
try translating to french from technical english then back again, cos I had to talk with the techies from MS...
since windows 2K there is an increasing number of things you can't do to tweak the OS. I used to really crack down on functions and systems which where prone to failure and getting messed up under windows 2K. Was easy with a tweaking platform like XteQ (if i remember correctly the name of the program).
When u've got about 50 desk tops and about 100 laptops in a university environment u're bound to get idiots who like to fool around , and since in my architectural school, most peoples lives where bound to thier pc's (because of the projects they contained) error free OSes are a must, and especially safe OSes.
you wouldn't believe the amount of crap i got, and how bad some PC's would become. We did a little neat trick once, left 4 machines out of the loop so to say. thier own acces to the net, and a home made NAS which emulated the main data server. in one week all four machines where broadcasting viruses and trojans so bad, the university sent the "cleaner" to find out why one of it's IP's was in such a state. He kind of liked our experiment , although we shut it down. got us some nice names of students ( and teachers) downloading all sorts of stuff...

anyways... one question still is on my mind, will windows 7 be any diff.? bet you not. still will be the good ol windows 4x4 heavy duty OS , 'run's on everything, even the hairdrier'... but would we have it any diff.??

NAAAAAAHHHHHHH :)!
A.
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