I remember playing with Gentoo thinking I was all cool... but then I remember it taking me an age to get it up and running properly. I gave up after two weeks - I obviously wasn't cool enough. I'm quite looking forward to having another go with Ubuntu soon though - I don't really want to leave my gaming rig on all day if I'm downloading stuff. :)
Hmm, A gentoo reinstall (+ customization) takes me 2 days... but I must admit, I have a backup routine and can install Gentoo blindfolded with 2 hands tied behind my back, typing with my nose... some facts may be damatised
Originally Posted by Glider Hmm, A gentoo reinstall (+ customization) takes me 2 days.
Hehe, that is gentoo's problem. As good as it is it takes far too long to setup.
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Originally Posted by Glider but I must admit, I have a backup routine and can install Gentoo blindfolded with 2 hands tied behind my back, typing with my nose... some facts may be damatised
Originally Posted by Andy Mc Hehe, that is gentoo's problem. As good as it is it takes far too long to setup.
A basic install takes about 1.5hours, not too long if you ask me... After that 30 minutes for X, 5 for fluxbox and you have a somewhat working system. Firefox, Thunderbird, GCC and glibC, gtk and certainly OpenOffice take >1hour to compile (OpenOffice is the king of the hill with 6-9hours, depending on compiler, the Sun one being the slowest and Eclipse being the fastest)
It's a matter of planning. If you start in the morning, you have a basic system (Base, X + Flux and Firefox) by noon. By the time you go to bed your system will be nearly complete. Last thing before going to bed is OpenOffice being turned on and let it compile the whole night. Next morning finish I up with the fun stuff (like kMuddy, Wormux,...) and by 4PM I'm done :D
And while things are compiling you can still use your system;)
Originally Posted by mclean007 If I understand your question correctly, you are asking how you can have your server be public facing through a friendly URL without paying for static DNS. This is EXACTLY what no-ip.org does, which is discussed on page 5 of the article. They offer a free service that redirects www.[yourhostname].no-ip.org to your server's IP address. No-ip also offers (free) client software that 'phones home' to their servers to keep them updated of your dynamic IP address when it changes. They offer this for free in the hope that you upgrade to some of their paid services.
I apologize. I went to No-IP and saw "No-IP PLUS" and that it cost $24.95...
And now that i look again, about four items below that is "No-IP Free".
I should learn to read. Sorry for n00bing it up there. :o
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About the networking thing then:
I have one router that i use to connect to my ISP so that I have broad band in my whole apartment. In order to keep my web server and laptop separate (along with anyone else's laptop that might venture into my apartment) would my best be to buy a second router? This will be my first webserver and I'm not foolish enough to think I'll get it right the first try. Even though its only a personal site and doubt that it'll gain much attention from anyone malicious, I would still like to not have my laptop's safety dependent on my first server experience.
Originally Posted by Faulk_Wulf I have one router that i use to connect to my ISP so that I have broad band in my whole apartment. In order to keep my web server and laptop separate (along with anyone else's laptop that might venture into my apartment) would my best be to buy a second router? This will be my first webserver and I'm not foolish enough to think I'll get it right the first try. Even though its only a personal site and doubt that it'll gain much attention from anyone malicious, I would still like to not have my laptop's safety dependent on my first server experience.
No not at all. If you don't expect any attacks (which is most likely) you can just place your server in your LAN, forward some ports on your router to the server (as on the last page of the article) and you'll be set.
If you are a bit more pedantic, place your server in a DMZ (most routers allow at least 1 IP to be DMZ'd). That way no connections can be initiated by the server towards the LAN.
Originally Posted by Glider A basic install takes about 1.5hours, not too long if you ask me... After that 30 minutes for X, 5 for fluxbox and you have a somewhat working system. Firefox, Thunderbird, GCC and glibC, gtk and certainly OpenOffice take >1hour to compile (OpenOffice is the king of the hill with 6-9hours, depending on compiler, the Sun one being the slowest and Eclipse being the fastest)
It's a matter of planning. If you start in the morning, you have a basic system (Base, X + Flux and Firefox) by noon. By the time you go to bed your system will be nearly complete. Last thing before going to bed is OpenOffice being turned on and let it compile the whole night. Next morning finish I up with the fun stuff (like kMuddy, Wormux,...) and by 4PM I'm done :D
And while things are compiling you can still use your system;)
Not for me. AMD 3000+ XP and 2.5gb Ram. Takes me AGES to compile the system, even using the new stage 3 preferred route of 2007.0.
X is a b'stard to compile I find. Takes prety much all day to get the base install and X, but with no 'nice' Wm such as Gnome.
Originally Posted by Glider No not at all. If you don't expect any attacks (which is most likely) you can just place your server in your LAN, forward some ports on your router to the server (as on the last page of the article) and you'll be set.
If you are a bit more pedantic, place your server in a DMZ (most routers allow at least 1 IP to be DMZ'd). That way no connections can be initiated by the server towards the LAN.
Okay. I will look into doing that. Thank you very much for your patience. :)
Originally Posted by Andy Mc Not for me. AMD 3000+ XP and 2.5gb Ram. Takes me AGES to compile the system, even using the new stage 3 preferred route of 2007.0.
X is a b'stard to compile I find. Takes prety much all day to get the base install and X, but with no 'nice' Wm such as Gnome.
Then you must be doing something wrong (are you following the official guide on the site?)... Have you set your cflags and USE flags correctly? Optimalisations and such? I use a 1.5GHz with 512MB RAM and X (including dependencies) takes up a bit more then 30 minutes. Gnome and KDE are gigantic, that I admit, but I like it minimal and adore Fluxbox of that ;)
Originally Posted by Glider Then you must be doing something wrong (are you following the official guide on the site?)... Have you set your cflags and USE flags correctly? Optimalisations and such? I use a 1.5GHz with 512MB RAM and X (including dependencies) takes up a bit more then 30 minutes. Gnome and KDE are gigantic, that I admit, but I like it minimal and adore Fluxbox of that ;)
Yeah I'm following the guide, setting all the optomisations for the CPU etc.
I think the main issue is that my system is fubar'd. It randomly reboots itself when ever it likes and often just dies for days at a time. I can set gentoo up on an old duel CPU 600mhz P3 system faster than I can on my main rig. I'm just going to avoid Gentoo until I can afford to buy a new system (Xmas hopefully). That way I will have it all installed in no time (hopeing to get a Q6600 :D )
it would be nice to get the articles without the GUI dependencies
i know when i was setting up my ubuntu server, it was always going to be CLI, and there were a couple of things you said that i thought were interesting, but because your entire guide is pretty much GUI based, it doesn't translate well
Then again i did manage to do it all myself, and when i get past the P2 at like 200mhz in the box ATM, i should be able to get bittorrent working nicely ^^
Hell the hardest part was getting drivers for the printer to work in Linux without a GUI - damn you epson
I was wondering what email server package would be the best to use from the package manager. I went looking for it, and google'd it for a couple of hours, (late at night mind you); and to no avail. I saw some things saying to install postfix, and other things along with it to do it, but I was hoping for something with guide, or even just an easy to use manual. I am hoping to have my domain name up and running off of this box, with a webpage site, that includes ftp access for both guests, and pword ftp pages for content I don't want shared to everybody. I would also like to use email with the domain name I registered. I love the idea of being able to tell my family and friends that they can have their own custom email with my domain name; but havn't figured out what to use or how to set it up in linux. I have tried playing around with Freebsd, and PCbsd, but it seems I am also running into some disk errors. All of a sudden I start getting freezes on bootup. After the second install, and about 4 reboots later, it happened again, and now I am waiting on baseball bat to get here for the "retirement" of that particular machine.
For the machine, I was using a 1.3ghz amd, 1.5Gb ram, with a 20Gb drive, and an ati radeon 9000 video card.
sweet, now for the next tutorial, I want my server to turn into a beowulf cluster, admin it via tor while running folding@home, control my home lighting, win the prize for the next prime number, record ALL my tv channels simultaneously, run 8 terabyte hdd's in RAID 1+0, and make me toast when I pull into my garage. when do you think Mr. Gypen can get going on this?
Originally Posted by spartan777 sweet, now for the next tutorial, I want my server to turn into a beowulf cluster, admin it via tor while running folding@home, control my home lighting, win the prize for the next prime number, record ALL my tv channels simultaneously, run 8 terabyte hdd's in RAID 1+0, and make me toast when I pull into my garage. when do you think Mr. Gypen can get going on this?
Originally Posted by B3CK I was wondering what email server package would be the best to use from the package manager. I went looking for it, and google'd it for a couple of hours, (late at night mind you); and to no avail. I saw some things saying to install postfix, and other things along with it to do it, but I was hoping for something with guide, or even just an easy to use manual.
Originally Posted by spartan777 sweet, now for the next tutorial, I want my server to turn into a beowulf cluster, admin it via tor while running folding@home, control my home lighting, win the prize for the next prime number, record ALL my tv channels simultaneously, run 8 terabyte hdd's in RAID 1+0, and make me toast when I pull into my garage. when do you think Mr. Gypen can get going on this?
Beowulf... I'm more of an OpenMosix fan ;) and it's controllable by OpenMosix View, what is a GUI.
For the lighting: Velleman offers kits that have great Linux support:This one has quite some I/O capabilities and is controllable CLI in Linux ;)
For the prime number, make your cluster big enough ;)
Originally Posted by chimaera You ain't kidding - it took some sweat and tears to get it working (mainly kicking the TV Tuner to life) but MythTV is unutterably awesome :)
when i was on linux i tried alot to get mythtv to work, in the end i just gave up
What i did get working, didnt look particularly good, MCE is far more polished
I noticed when browsing to "http://mysite.no-ip.org" that it would just take me to the router page when I was on the network, and if I was accessing on the net, it would just load a connection time out page. Is there anyway I can set it so that it forwards that to "http://mysite.no-ip.org:XXXXX"?
Originally Posted by completemadness when i was on linux i tried alot to get mythtv to work, in the end i just gave up
What i did get working, didnt look particularly good, MCE is far more polished
With Ubuntu it was trivially simple, with the exception of the fairly awkward TV card I've got. Granted MCE does bring the shiny but Myth has got far greater capabilities, is vastly more extensible and is also free. Also means I can run all kinds of other useful services on it too :)
It took a bit of work, but I can build the system from scratch to a fully working Myth box in about four hours, and thats got everything including DVD and video playback, dual DVB TV tuning and recording, remote control (using an MCE remote) and web-based admin capability.
Originally Posted by chimaera With Ubuntu it was trivially simple, with the exception of the fairly awkward TV card I've got. Granted MCE does bring the shiny but Myth has got far greater capabilities, is vastly more extensible and is also free. Also means I can run all kinds of other useful services on it too :)
Well i tried it on ubuntu, first you have to compile TVCard drivers (i have a hauppage MCE 150 card)
Then if you manage to do that you have to compile mythtv, then you have to set up the channel listings, and then the channel listings wouldn't update for me
And then it looked pretty cruddy as well (plus it didn't actually work very well) so i just gave up on it
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It took a bit of work, but I can build the system from scratch to a fully working Myth box in about four hours, and that's got everything including DVD and video playback, dual DVB TV tuning and recording, remote control (using an MCE remote) and web-based admin capability.
I'm glad you can, but you can do that on MCE in like 1.5 hours (including the windows install - probably more like 1hr, depends how fast you are at a windows install)
Theres guides for more or less everything out there. Yes I had to compile the TV card drivers, but all the info was on the MythTV wiki and took about 20 minutes, the rest was only a few apt-get installs away - hell most of the install time is sitting around waiting for packages to download and install :)
I did contemplate using MCE but it would have precluded doing most of the other things I wanted to do on the box and I have to say Myth has impressed me far more than MCE ever did anyway :)
anyway, perhaps now its a bit more polished and worked on, i dont know, but tbh i have everything setup how i want it on MCE - so why change ? :p
I know at the time i couldnt apt-get anything in ubuntu, nothing was in repositories
Thanks for this, it gives me a few upgrades to try on my ubuntu server, at last i can get shot of proftpd
I must admit to not finding samba straight forward to set up though, coming from a windows background i knew bugger all about file permissions and it took me a while to figure out, once you get past that hurdle its easy.
Best bit is free hardware, free software, free server tower = happy bunny playing in a linux sandbox, i went straight for server install, best way to learn i found, no gui to screw with your bonce
First off - great how-to. I have never used Lunix and have my server up and running!
So far, it works great. TorrentFlux works and I can connect to the server locally from my desktop or laptop (through a web browser and through FTP). The problem is that I cannot seem to get external access (from the web) to work. I have the following ports on my router forwarded to the IP of the server (21, 22, 80, 2222). I have set-up a no-ip address as well. When I try to access the server from the web (xxxx.no-ip.org) it asks me to log on, but the log-in fails. When I try (xxxx.no-ip.org:2222) it says "failed to connect". When I try (xxxx.no-ip.org:80) it asks me to log-in, which again, fails.
I am using a Netgear WGR614 wireless router. I am thinking it is a port forwarding problem since everything works great locally.
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Hehe, that is gentoo's problem. As good as it is it takes far too long to setup.
Reminds me of this:
http://www.cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20070723
It's a matter of planning. If you start in the morning, you have a basic system (Base, X + Flux and Firefox) by noon. By the time you go to bed your system will be nearly complete. Last thing before going to bed is OpenOffice being turned on and let it compile the whole night. Next morning finish I up with the fun stuff (like kMuddy, Wormux,...) and by 4PM I'm done :D
And while things are compiling you can still use your system;)
I apologize. I went to No-IP and saw "No-IP PLUS" and that it cost $24.95...
And now that i look again, about four items below that is "No-IP Free".
I should learn to read. Sorry for n00bing it up there. :o
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About the networking thing then:
I have one router that i use to connect to my ISP so that I have broad band in my whole apartment. In order to keep my web server and laptop separate (along with anyone else's laptop that might venture into my apartment) would my best be to buy a second router? This will be my first webserver and I'm not foolish enough to think I'll get it right the first try. Even though its only a personal site and doubt that it'll gain much attention from anyone malicious, I would still like to not have my laptop's safety dependent on my first server experience.
If you are a bit more pedantic, place your server in a DMZ (most routers allow at least 1 IP to be DMZ'd). That way no connections can be initiated by the server towards the LAN.
Not for me. AMD 3000+ XP and 2.5gb Ram. Takes me AGES to compile the system, even using the new stage 3 preferred route of 2007.0.
X is a b'stard to compile I find. Takes prety much all day to get the base install and X, but with no 'nice' Wm such as Gnome.
Okay. I will look into doing that. Thank you very much for your patience. :)
Yeah I'm following the guide, setting all the optomisations for the CPU etc.
I think the main issue is that my system is fubar'd. It randomly reboots itself when ever it likes and often just dies for days at a time. I can set gentoo up on an old duel CPU 600mhz P3 system faster than I can on my main rig. I'm just going to avoid Gentoo until I can afford to buy a new system (Xmas hopefully). That way I will have it all installed in no time (hopeing to get a Q6600 :D )
i know when i was setting up my ubuntu server, it was always going to be CLI, and there were a couple of things you said that i thought were interesting, but because your entire guide is pretty much GUI based, it doesn't translate well
Then again i did manage to do it all myself, and when i get past the P2 at like 200mhz in the box ATM, i should be able to get bittorrent working nicely ^^
Hell the hardest part was getting drivers for the printer to work in Linux without a GUI - damn you epson
oh and although I'm quite fond of Linux, i think this entire article sums up the problem with it
http://apcmag.com/6735/interview_con_kolivas
As with most other places, when only a few people become knowledgeable enough, elitism sets in and everyone gets p***ed off
For the machine, I was using a 1.3ghz amd, 1.5Gb ram, with a 20Gb drive, and an ati radeon 9000 video card.
Seriously Ken, you are the man! Thanks so much!
shortly after finding a cure for cancer
For the lighting: Velleman offers kits that have great Linux support:This one has quite some I/O capabilities and is controllable CLI in Linux ;)
For the prime number, make your cluster big enough ;)
For the TV recording, MythTV to the rescue ;)
For the array(s), mdadm just reaps hardware RAID cards on dedicated systems ;)
And for the toast... Oops (or in txt)
Now you just have to drive safely ;)
You ain't kidding - it took some sweat and tears to get it working (mainly kicking the TV Tuner to life) but MythTV is unutterably awesome :)
What i did get working, didnt look particularly good, MCE is far more polished
With Ubuntu it was trivially simple, with the exception of the fairly awkward TV card I've got. Granted MCE does bring the shiny but Myth has got far greater capabilities, is vastly more extensible and is also free. Also means I can run all kinds of other useful services on it too :)
It took a bit of work, but I can build the system from scratch to a fully working Myth box in about four hours, and thats got everything including DVD and video playback, dual DVB TV tuning and recording, remote control (using an MCE remote) and web-based admin capability.
Then if you manage to do that you have to compile mythtv, then you have to set up the channel listings, and then the channel listings wouldn't update for me
And then it looked pretty cruddy as well (plus it didn't actually work very well) so i just gave up on it
I did contemplate using MCE but it would have precluded doing most of the other things I wanted to do on the box and I have to say Myth has impressed me far more than MCE ever did anyway :)
anyway, perhaps now its a bit more polished and worked on, i dont know, but tbh i have everything setup how i want it on MCE - so why change ? :p
I know at the time i couldnt apt-get anything in ubuntu, nothing was in repositories
I must admit to not finding samba straight forward to set up though, coming from a windows background i knew bugger all about file permissions and it took me a while to figure out, once you get past that hurdle its easy.
Best bit is free hardware, free software, free server tower = happy bunny playing in a linux sandbox, i went straight for server install, best way to learn i found, no gui to screw with your bonce
So far, it works great. TorrentFlux works and I can connect to the server locally from my desktop or laptop (through a web browser and through FTP). The problem is that I cannot seem to get external access (from the web) to work. I have the following ports on my router forwarded to the IP of the server (21, 22, 80, 2222). I have set-up a no-ip address as well. When I try to access the server from the web (xxxx.no-ip.org) it asks me to log on, but the log-in fails. When I try (xxxx.no-ip.org:2222) it says "failed to connect". When I try (xxxx.no-ip.org:80) it asks me to log-in, which again, fails.
I am using a Netgear WGR614 wireless router. I am thinking it is a port forwarding problem since everything works great locally.
Any help would be appreciated.
Glider...you rock!