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sunnyg 22nd August 2006, 10:04 Quote
where can i get IE7 from?
dire_wolf 22nd August 2006, 10:08 Quote
That'll hush those fanboys for a while :D
lamboman 22nd August 2006, 10:09 Quote
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The spell checker didn't work? That is very bizzare. I downloaded mine on OS X and it worked fine. Did you have a problem with closing windows? Apple-W didn't close windows.
will. 22nd August 2006, 10:10 Quote
it will arrive in an automatic update.

I think its a little sad that the firefox team didn't have some super ie killer feature up their sleeves, but i suppose, seeing as ie pretty much theived all the ideas of various different open source browsers that would be a challenege.
DougEdey 22nd August 2006, 10:12 Quote
Maybe I'm wrong (I've been without FF for almost a month) but doesn't double clicking on a blank space to the right of a tab title open a new one. But I think most FF users use keyboard shortcuts todo most of their work.

Any chance on a comparisson that way? My mouse barely moves.
ElThomsono 22nd August 2006, 10:18 Quote
Duog: Yeah, that works.

Why would you want a new tab anyway? The only time you ever need a fresh tasty blank tab is to enter a URL manually, so you're already on the keys to hit ctrl+t, right...

The rest of the time it's middle clicking.
felix the cat 22nd August 2006, 10:19 Quote
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Originally Posted by DougEdey
Maybe I'm wrong (I've been without FF for almost a month) but doesn't double clicking on a blank space to the right of a tab title open a new one. But I think most FF users use keyboard shortcuts todo most of their work.

Any chance on a comparisson that way? My mouse barely moves.

yeah it does...I think microsoft have done quite a good job at bridging the gap between a browser for n00bs with a supposedly good interface so that everyone can use it (IE six and down) and the now IE 7 product, which someone who actually understands how computers work (at least to an extent) could actually contemplate using....

completly agree that most FF users would use ctrl + t to open a new tab, but yeah, double clicking on the space next to a tab also works!!!

....weird that you could not get the spell checker to work, as I got it workin first time...
quack 22nd August 2006, 10:29 Quote
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More amusing is IE7's default behaviour when you try to download FireFox.
Don't you mean the default behaviour when you try to download anything? :p But enough of me being picky.

As a big fan of Firefox, and a web designer, I am actually excited about IE7. Trident has really improved so much since IE6. It's still not perfect but it's definitely a lot more standards compliant. The sooner people are upgraded the better in my opinion. It'll be so nice not to have to attempt to work around IE6's many flaws and never resort to hacks to get it to play nice.
Blademrk 22nd August 2006, 10:32 Quote
I had a crash a couple of months back (need to do a reinstall, but it's just finding time to do it) and since then I've had major problems with firefox saving downloaded demos, wallpapers, well saving anything really.
IE 7 has no problem saving, but I still seem to prefer FF for some reason.

So now if I want to download a demo and I'm in firefox I need to 'open in external application' from the firefox tab in order to switch the site to the IE browser in order to download. Very annoying. I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling FF but still no luck :(.
<A88> 22nd August 2006, 10:42 Quote
Where Opera seems to screw up the glass interface on at least my copy of Vista, I'm currently using IE7 as my main browser and have got to admit it's fine- everything works as it should and it's more concious about security than the other two browsers.

<A88>
Herbicide 22nd August 2006, 10:44 Quote
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...unless you're... an extensions addict.

might give IE7 a go though.

- H.
Tim S 22nd August 2006, 10:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by quack
Apart from the slightly annoyance that you insist on writing Firefox as FireFox...

How ironic, since you wrote "browswer" on page 1. ;)
That's my fault not saving changes on a page :o
Lazlow 22nd August 2006, 10:55 Quote
Good article, with only one issue from me:
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Originally Posted by article
It's definitely an improvement on IE6, and wins points over FireFox for showing tabs by default.

I think many prefer Firefox's way of handling tabs - as if you only browse one site at a time, your interface isn't clogged up by an extra, empty bar. As soon as you open a second tab, the bar appears.
phaSe 22nd August 2006, 10:57 Quote
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Originally Posted by DougEdey
Maybe I'm wrong (I've been without FF for almost a month) but doesn't double clicking on a blank space to the right of a tab title open a new one.

woah! thanks for that one! :D

RoB (firefox moron it would seem...)
g3n3tiX 22nd August 2006, 11:04 Quote
tough one for firefox.
quack 22nd August 2006, 11:06 Quote
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Originally Posted by Tim S
That's my fault not saving changes on a page :o
That sucks when that happens, I've been known to do that many times myself. Kudos on the quick corrections though. ;)

Now folks, back on topic!

I prefer to keep my tab bar visible at all times, and I've got a new tab button to the left of it. Just find it easier that way myself.
Veles 22nd August 2006, 11:07 Quote
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Originally Posted by Lazlow
I think many prefer Firefox's way of handling tabs - as if you only browse one site at a time, your interface isn't clogged up by an extra, empty bar. As soon as you open a second tab, the bar appears.

QFT, I much prefer not having the tabs bar open when I only have 1 tab open, also firefox just need to change the default interface, there is an open new tab button but it's not there by default. With a quick customisation of the interface you can add a open tab button, although n00bs probably won't be able to do this.
BioSniper 22nd August 2006, 11:09 Quote
Tabs by default?
Tabs? TABS? I bloody hate those things. I must be one of the only FF users that actually doesn't use and doesn't like tabs.

I did try IE7 and quickly came back to FF, I just couldn't stand the lack of menu bar at the top in all honesty.
EK-MDi 22nd August 2006, 11:19 Quote
Well there you go then... Internet Explorer is more secure (but not for too long :(), faster, and a whole lot more convenient for browsing the interweb, than Firefox. What about standards compliance?
dragontail 22nd August 2006, 11:24 Quote
I've got both browsers (IE7 beta atm) and still prefer firefox (even 1.5.X). The reason is extensions: I have noscript and adblock in FF amonst others, which means I can't get used to ads on IE :(
ellism 22nd August 2006, 11:39 Quote
There is a reason why the phishing protection doesn' work in FF yet
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I tried browsing to some known phishing sites and I didn't receive a warning. What happened?

At this time we are using a limited list to test the core Phishing Protection framework within the browser. Users are encouraged to verify that the above test links properly display a warning dialogue, but to wait until a future beta release of Firefox 2 to verify the accuracy of the list of web forgeries.
mattyt 22nd August 2006, 11:39 Quote
No one mentioned rendering web pages!
Now when I develop web sites I have an extra CSS file - ie7fixes.css - to feed in with conditional comments. However, the file is shorter than the fixes for ie6, so progress is being made! (last interface i made had 20 fixes for IE6 and 12 for IE7).

Also when I first tried IE7 it went bezerk with phishing warnings for all the websites I was testing on my local network. I do think the phishing feature is a good idea though, my dad gave up his paypal details a few months ago, luckily he told me straight away afterwards that something didn't seem right so we could change his password quickly.

Finally, both browsers with Vista-fied chrome look pretty distracting and nasty.
flabber 22nd August 2006, 11:52 Quote
Safety is something every browser-developer should keep working on non-stop imho.
But a big thing when deciding to choose a good browser is: "How well will it render webpages?"

Because while IE7 has been changed from the bones up, it stíll doesn't do very good with webstandards, and thus webpages. So it's a tough choice imho... choosing for a browser that displays most websites well enough to be able to work with it, or a browser that does that job less good but does excel in safety-options?
perplekks45 22nd August 2006, 12:05 Quote
Well... been a IE6 user for a (too) long time I switched to IE7 Beta the day it was released and thought 'yep, that's nice. a lot of improvements over IE6.' but I wasn't quite happy without the top bar. And it marked the mail server of my university as phishing site. :|
Switched to FF a few months ago and haven't had any issues with it. Then switched to FF 2 Beta and must say it's not that much of an improvement over 1.5.x as IE7 over IE6 but it still 'feels' better than IE.

By the way: sunnyg, dunno if it has been answered before but here you get IE7.
rupbert 22nd August 2006, 12:23 Quote
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Originally Posted by Lazlow
Good article, with only one issue from me:



I think many prefer Firefox's way of handling tabs - as if you only browse one site at a time, your interface isn't clogged up by an extra, empty bar. As soon as you open a second tab, the bar appears.

QFT.
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