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allforcarrie 4th August 2005, 09:41 Quote
no view as List option, i dont like that.


I will be sticking with XP for a while.
mclean007 4th August 2005, 16:10 Quote
Vista is looking fairly promising so far. I'm getting quite fired up about the new desktop rendering engine - it's about time MS caught on to the fact that the 3d hardware in even a low end machine these days will take fancy windowing effects, transparency etc. in its stride. This really should have been in XP.

Here's a feature that I'd like. It would be such a simple thing. Why is it that you can't drag the items around on the taskbar to put them where you want? For example, at work I like to have Outlook as my first icon, but if for some reason I have to close it and reopen, then it ends up somewhere else. I'd like to just be able to pull it back to the left of the taskbar without having to close and reopen everything else. Anyone know of a program that lets me do this? Anyone know if Vista will allow it? I know it's a tiny point but I would love to be able to do that.
Firehed 5th August 2005, 01:10 Quote
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Originally Posted by Hamish
didnt mention the fact that you can now finally load drivers off a floppy/cd/dvd/usb thumbstick! :D
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it'd be nice if MS had a power user option that would change a bunch of default settings, turn off file indexing, folder content previewing etc because strangely when i name a folder "hot redhead" i know whats going to be in it
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i have a feeling the transparency and eye candy is something im going to want to turn off anyway
i felt the same way about the eye candy in vista as i did about OSX, it was very nice and fun to play with for the first few days, then it just became annoying :(
I was going to ask about the drivers... good thing finally. Would be even better if some of the more common ones are included at one point (ICH5R+, nForce3+, SI3112, SI3114), ie before it hits shelves. But about f'ing time. It'd sure be very nice if mobos then include a 64mb (or so) thumb drive with the mobo drivers and maybe the newest graphics ones. Of course with a 30mb or more graphic driver package that may not happen, but it would be convenient to an amazing degree and would almost certainly kill off floppies once and for all.

I emailed MS some time ago about doing something like a power user config... something that turns off all the "I'm a new-bee" crap (yes, I'm sure some noob has said that) and perhaps a gamer config so it turns off the GUI eye candy so you have your resources free for gaming. And I do sincerely hope that IE isn't relying on the shell so when it crashses it takes down your desktop with it (just another reason to use FF)

I too will probably turn off eye candy. Not so much because of the slowdown as it'll now be 3d-accelerated but just because it gets so confusing. The FIRST thing I did when I got XP for the first time so long ago (on an 800mhz athlon... painfully slow regardless) was look for a way to give it a "classic" (98-ish) feel/look.
Hamish 5th August 2005, 01:23 Quote
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Originally Posted by Firehed
I was going to ask about the drivers... good thing finally. Would be even better if some of the more common ones are included at one point (ICH5R+, nForce3+, SI3112, SI3114), ie before it hits shelves. But about f'ing time. It'd sure be very nice if mobos then include a 64mb (or so) thumb drive with the mobo drivers and maybe the newest graphics ones. Of course with a 30mb or more graphic driver package that may not happen, but it would be convenient to an amazing degree and would almost certainly kill off floppies once and for all.
picked up the sata drive on my nf4 controller automatically :)
Migishu 5th August 2005, 02:12 Quote
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The new user interface in Vista is called AERO. This doesn't mean it's light, fluffy and full of holes
So very dissapointed :(
FIBRE+ 5th August 2005, 03:09 Quote
Lol... Some people are getting a little excited over some of the coments or reply's in this thread :D

In regards of saying how the writer should/shouldnt write is a bit harsh, like he said it comes out of his brain onto the computer. I like the way things are written at B-T, aswel as it being quite raw everyone does it there own way and it carrys the character and personality of the writer. Writing is a creative thing (I know nothing about) and creative things have no right or wrong, if there was it would be boring.

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Back on topic.........

I doubt il keep the bells and whistles for long, XP looks poop and I doubt il be bowled over by the look of Vista... 'Classic' theme for me as usual

What will the hackers be able to learn with this 'beta'?
Firehed 5th August 2005, 03:47 Quote
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Originally Posted by Hamish
picked up the sata drive on my nf4 controller automatically :)
I meant when in RAID. XP picks up drives on any chipset-based controller (nforce3/4, ICH5/6/7, maybe others) when they're not in RAID. Now chances are that I'll never bother with RAID again but it would still be nice. Or better yet, shipping CDs will continue to be updated with RAID drivers for newer chipsets or being able to order a custom CD from MS where you can upload (all, not just RAID) the drivers you need and they'll all be there for you.
Cheap Mod Wannabe 5th August 2005, 05:23 Quote
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Originally Posted by Firehed
I meant when in RAID. XP picks up drives on any chipset-based controller (nforce3/4, ICH5/6/7, maybe others) when they're not in RAID. Now chances are that I'll never bother with RAID again but it would still be nice. Or better yet, shipping CDs will continue to be updated with RAID drivers for newer chipsets or being able to order a custom CD from MS where you can upload (all, not just RAID) the drivers you need and they'll all be there for you.

This level of customization would require too many workers for MS. Also MS would not like to send drivers that are not compatible between one another thus they would most likely to refuse this individual customization. Unless you wanna pay hundreds more for service and support, you can only dream... we can only dream about such treats.

Let's just wait one more year so we could experience the ALL NEW LOOK and FEEL, together with endless search capabilities...
Emon 5th August 2005, 09:05 Quote
Hmm, about this whole "poorly written, biased article" thing, all I have to say is that the only thing that annoys me about Bit-Tech articles is that every one of them ignores collective nouns...it's "Microsoft has released" not "Microsoft have released." Just like you don't say "My family are going to the beach."

...but anyway, Vista looks pretty cool. Maybe Microsoft has finally gotten their act together? Most would say no because it's a threat to Linux for desktop use. I really have no problem with Microsoft as long as they're releasing quality products and not using shady business practices to do so. Unfortunately the latter will probably never be false.
FredsFriend 5th August 2005, 09:48 Quote
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Originally Posted by FIBRE+
What will the hackers be able to learn with this 'beta'?

Nothing at all as Microsoft produce quality secure software :|
seanblee 5th August 2005, 11:48 Quote
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Originally Posted by mrhaz
Dude, did you even read the second paragraph?

Yeah, I read the second paragraph, then I went on to read not a single word about the state of the APIs and suchlike, but instead a load of stuff on how Explorer looks, the Start menu and so on.
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Originally Posted by :: kna ::
This isn't a comparative review, as I explained to TheAnimus. This is my first impressions of the Beta release, with a view to explaining the look and feel, what stage it's at and what to expect.. it's impossible to review an unfinished product, which is why this is just a first look.

OK, analogy - it's a bit like like a car manufacturer developing a new next-gen platform and sticking a Ford Mondeo body on it and sending it out to magazines to review with the caveat that all they're reviewing is the driveline, not the body. You've effectively barely mentioned the driveline, and yet you've got pages about the body.

Like I said, I just don't see the point of a non-developer reviewing a release specifically for developers and decidedly not for the general public. Not to worry though, I daresay most bit-tech readers wouldn't care about a software developer's viewpoint anyway! :)
TMM 5th August 2005, 17:26 Quote
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Originally Posted by FredsFriend
Feel i need to reply to this:



:( In no way shape or form could this be considered a beta. It is an alpha at best, just Microsoft as usual claiming their software is something that it isn't. A beta release marks a point when the code is feature complete, with purely bug fixing from that point on and definitely no API changes.

And with regards to them not finishing everything, and just releasing a partially complete OS anyway, for any other company this would be met with cries of being palmed off and rushing with the inevitable quality of code suffering (tho who are we kidding it wasn't going to be good anyway). Why do people think that it is a good thing that Microsoft is doing this? :(
I can't see how it could possibly be an Alpha when microsoft have been already working on Longhorn for what? 1.5 to 2 years already?

not that the amount of time has anything to do with being a beta or an alpha but you get the point.
mclean007 5th August 2005, 18:22 Quote
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I can't see how it could possibly be an Alpha when microsoft have been already working on Longhorn for what? 1.5 to 2 years already?
I think you answer your own question:
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not that the amount of time has anything to do with being a beta or an alpha
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but you get the point.
actually, no. :)

If you don't think it's an alpha, explain why. As you say, development time is irrelevant. Personally, I think it's a pretty rough cut to be called a beta, but it's qualified as a developer beta - it's designed not to give a look and feel for the final product, but to let developers play with the new APIs and the underlying structure, which I guess is pretty close to final, and do some bug splatting.

I'd bet the next beta will be far more of a 'final-except-bug-fixes' release, and will look the part.
Gordy 5th August 2005, 23:37 Quote
Just had a couple of hours with Vista and its not bad. Its a bit like windows xp with knobs on ,but not bad. Its closer to osx than I expected but still not as good overall.

Some of the menu's etc are a bit cluttered but the installation and driver stuff seems good.
koola 5th August 2005, 23:58 Quote
I also had a little play with it this afternoon and I don't like it atm. Will probs give it another go later though :(
PA!N 7th August 2005, 08:00 Quote
Hmmm...though its made by the ''evil empire microsoft'' I like it...
(unless thy built in countless backdoors for the CIA etc. to let them spy
on everybody...)
The new interface and application desinge looks pretty ''cool'' and fuctinal...
...unless the screw up ;)
webbyman 7th August 2005, 10:40 Quote
omfg they spent like 7 years developing that any to me it looks exactly the same with a few exceptions to making it a ice interface like linux, now you have to upgrade all your hardware and monitors to be able to use this. :|
:: kna :: 7th August 2005, 12:27 Quote
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Originally Posted by seanblee
I daresay most bit-tech readers wouldn't care about a software developer's viewpoint anyway! :)

Bingo.. I don't understand why you're reiterating something we already know and explained in the actual review itself. Feedback is only helpful if it's telling me something I'm not already aware of.

It's wonderful you're a software developer, however I suggest you go and read other Vista reviews if you want something you'll find helpful. :?
JADS 7th August 2005, 16:23 Quote
My concern is DRM in Vista, I have a Dell 2405FPW 24" Widescreen TFT and I expect to be able to play the latest HD content without replacing my hardware. This insanity will simply drive me to use possibly illegal hacks so I can enjoy content I have legally paid to enjoy.
seanblee 7th August 2005, 16:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by :: kna ::
Bingo.. I don't understand why you're reiterating something we already know and explained in the actual review itself. Feedback is only helpful if it's telling me something I'm not already aware of.

OK, since you don't appear to be understanding, I'll state it in very simple terms - a non-developer 'reviewing' a developer release for a non-developer audience is a COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME AND SPACE imo. There, was that blunt enough that the point didn't get lost? You'll be doing reviews of Visual Studio from a non-developer standpoint next...
quadmodz 7th August 2005, 19:35 Quote
hope to get copy of that soon. :D I'm just waiting to deliver 10pcs of Ubuntu Linux. LOL.
Da Dego 7th August 2005, 22:04 Quote
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Originally Posted by seanblee
OK, since you don't appear to be understanding, I'll state it in very simple terms - a non-developer 'reviewing' a developer release for a non-developer audience is a COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME AND SPACE imo. There, was that blunt enough that the point didn't get lost? You'll be doing reviews of Visual Studio from a non-developer standpoint next...
Dude, seriously...chill... This isn't worth gettin' angry about. If you didn't like the review, you made your point clear, and we can move on with the discussion. S'all good.
RTT 8th August 2005, 00:39 Quote
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Originally Posted by seanblee
OK, since you don't appear to be understanding, I'll state it in very simple terms - a non-developer 'reviewing' a developer release for a non-developer audience is a COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME AND SPACE imo. There, was that blunt enough that the point didn't get lost? You'll be doing reviews of Visual Studio from a non-developer standpoint next...

This may be a Developer release of Vista but that certainly doesn't stop websites making an article out of the stuff that you can play with in this vista release. I was interested to see the install screenshots, to see what they've been doing with the start bar and to see the changes they've made to explorer. I'm sure a lot of people read it for the same reasons (i haven't read much of this thread) even though it is a developer release, and even though it wasn't written from a developers POV.

Does it need to be written from a developer POV if we're saying 'this is what they've done to explorer so far?' So what if it is a developer release? So what if some or all of this may change? I'm still interested to see the work-in-progress. I'll be even more interested to be able to compare this release to the next release. Did it cross your mind that there was definitely stuff in this developer release that made it possible to write about it from a non developer point of view? MS probably placed a whole lot of stuff in there to be reviewed by people like bit-tech because they know that review websites out-number developer review websites.

Does reviewing a prototype of a road car make it any less worthy? B)
kenco_uk 8th August 2005, 00:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by seanblee
OK, since you don't appear to be understanding, I'll state it in very simple terms - a non-developer 'reviewing' a developer release for a non-developer audience is a COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME AND SPACE imo. There, was that blunt enough that the point didn't get lost? You'll be doing reviews of Visual Studio from a non-developer standpoint next...

It's a bit naive to think that absolutely nobody else would be interested, dontcha think? Considering that it's a glimpse at the future OS we'll all be running in the next couple of years or so, I think the review stands fair.

Apart from the Apple-isms :D
Tim S 8th August 2005, 01:11 Quote
What about reviewing reference video cards, reference motherboards (first implementation of a new chipset) or engineering sample CPUs? You can't buy them, but they fall in the same category as this - a 'technology preview' / first look.
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